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Post by genie on Jun 8, 2007 12:32:44 GMT -5
It is possible that James Beare born 1833 (son of William 1812)died in 1906. I have a death certificate for a James Beare and Madron workhouse is mentioned which is a disappointment as I was hoping that a family member would have registered the death.
Are there any records for Madron workhouse which would help find if it is my James Beare.
Hannah Beare who was a wife to James Beare died in 1902 but she died in Marazion and her daughter registered it. If the James Beare is correct I wonder why he ended up in the workhouse.
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Post by Zenobia on Jun 8, 2007 23:26:59 GMT -5
The 1901 census shows James Beer age 66, and wife Hannah age 64, living in Marazion with daughter Annie and granddaughter Ethel.
I don't see any other James Bear/Beer/Beare etc. of the right age elsewhere in Cornwall, so if the age on the death certificate you have is approximately correct, I would presume it is indeed him.
I have seen a few cases of elderly people voluntarily going to the workhouse/poorhouse even tho' they had living family, but it is unusual. maybe the daughter was having a very rough time financially and could not take care of her father.
Maybe Cornish Maid might be able to answer the question about workhouse records...
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Post by genie on Jun 9, 2007 6:22:16 GMT -5
Thanks once again.
Ethel,the granddaughter,emigrated to the US and I haven't been able to find a marriage of Annie.Perhaps she stayed single.
Hannah Beare died in 1902 at Marazion. I purchased the death certificate and her daughter Mary had registered the death. Mary lived in Camborne and was married to a Williams.
Could you tell me the Beare address in 1901 please?
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Post by Zenobia on Jun 9, 2007 21:01:36 GMT -5
They are living at a place called "Trevenner".
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Post by genie on Jun 10, 2007 11:51:14 GMT -5
That is the address given on Hannah Beare's death certificate.
Does the census give an occupation for James please?
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Post by Zenobia on Jun 10, 2007 14:09:49 GMT -5
Yes, he is listed as a tin miner. Incidentally, the index erroneously has him listed as "James Been"
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Post by genie on Jun 11, 2007 5:14:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the information. When I have time I will look for the death certificate to check the information regarding his death.
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Post by genie on Jun 22, 2007 16:37:41 GMT -5
I have found the death certificate of James Beare.
He was 74 and his occupation was a general labourer of Fore Street Marazion.Cause of death was senile decay. Residence of informant was H G Chapple Master Union Workhouse Madron.
If he is the correct man his occupation changes from tin miner to general labourer and cause of death is senile decay.
There are only 2 James Beare's deaths in Penzance and I have both certificates one of which is no use to me at this time anyway.
I have just had a look at the 1891 Marazion census and James is a general labourer
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 22, 2007 17:46:31 GMT -5
Hi Genie, Don't be too concerned about the occupation is that is one thing that tended to change quite often in Cornwall. (see notes in other threads about this.)
Main thing is you now have further documents to work from which should be of help.
Also, at 74 he was possibly getting a little long in the tooth to be actually mining. And, given he was a resident of the Workhouse, he may possibly have been allocated jobs to help 'pay his way' at that establishment in which case the 'Master' of the House might well have labelled him 'general labourer'.
The other point here is that you should not take the 'age at death' as 'pure gospel' as it is quite possible the informant did not really know.
If you are in any doubt about this being the right person then let me know and we can go over the ground again to see if there might be anything missed.
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Post by genie on Jun 23, 2007 9:59:25 GMT -5
Thanks Cornish Terrier.
I think that I will add James to my tree as he seems to be the most likely at the moment.
I can't find a James Beare death in Camborne where his daughter Minnie eventually lived when she married ? Williams and was living at North Parade Camborne in 1901.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 23, 2007 13:43:25 GMT -5
Genie - I would appreciate any extra little bits of information you may be able to supply here so that I might try and help further. e.g. - daughter Minnie married a 'Williams' and was living in Camborne in 1901.
If you can give me some details on the children of James Beare and when/where they were born/baptised I might be able to track down some further information for you.
Also (I don't think I have this yet) the marriage details for James and Hannah and any further detail you may be able to give me that might help me.
Feel free to send me a PM if you wish and I will try to track down what I can.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 23, 2007 16:32:24 GMT -5
Genie - received your PM thankyou. It seems most of the events of interest occurred in Ludgvan which is a Parish for which I have little information for the time required. However, I might suggest you log into the Online Parish Clerk site www.cornwall-opc.org/where you should be able to navigate to information regarding Ludgvan. The Online Parish Clerk for Ludgvan is Bill Curnow with whom I have had many long discussions, an extreme amount of correspondence over the years and quite a few successes through all of that in tracking down some information that subsequently sorted out a few of our lines of interest. I will, of course, see what more I can find on this but much of the Ludgvan stuff may need the assistance of Bill. I have printed out your last note for reference and will see what more I can do with my available resources. But - do not despair.
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Post by genie on Jun 23, 2007 16:42:25 GMT -5
I don't know if Bill will know very much about the later Beare's.
There is a connection between my Beare's and Bill's Trewren family.
William and Nancy ( maiden Trewren) Beare were the parents of my James Beare.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 24, 2007 14:45:06 GMT -5
You may possibly have misunderstood my meaning here. Being the OPC for Ludgvan, Bill has been (to my understanding) transcribing, or become responsible for transcribing the Ludgvan Parish Records that are available. Eventually, as with many of the other OPC volunteers, I would anticipate this work to be available online. But I know Bill to be very particular and cautious and he will ensure that, once the information is available online, he will have done the very best he can to ensure it's accuracy. Sorry, that was a bit of a plug for Bill and his work as it is for all of the people who have taken on that task. BUT - my meaning was that for clarification of BDM details for members of the family involved at Ludgvan - Bill is the man to contact. That is largely where I am having problems with this just now so Bill might be able to enlighten us a little on the basics. We will keep at this as I am sure we can arrive at the correct answers. Cornish Terrier (Possibly named thus for a reason by my cousin in Truro but - 'anyone know a good Dentist' ;D)
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Post by genie on Sept 24, 2007 15:24:27 GMT -5
If you mean Nancy Tonkin in Truro I was in contact with her some time ago as there is a Beare amongst her information.
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