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Post by genie on Jun 3, 2007 12:53:07 GMT -5
During the 1841 census the Beare's were living in Newtown,
William Bear,25,,Miner (Copper),, Nancy Bear,,30,, James Bear,7,,Grace Bear,,5, Mary Bear,,3, William Bear,2m,
Nancy's maiden name was Trewren.
I would like to know if William was born in Ludgvan as it has been suggested that his parents may have come from Germoe/Breage and his mother may have been Mary Howard.
Perhaps someone has access to records showing his marriage to Nancy which would point the way to his father.
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Post by Zenobia on Jun 3, 2007 22:29:25 GMT -5
In 1851 William is still in NewTown, Ludgvan, and what appears to be his mother is right next to him. The census is faint, so some of the entries are hard to read: Mary Bear, head, age 73, widow, annuitess, b. Penzance Louisa Troon, age 34, dau, dressmaker, widow, b. Ludgvan John Troon, age 3, nephew, b. Ludgvan William Bear, head, age 39, tin miner, b. Penzance Nancy Bear, wife, age 40, b. Ludgvan James Bear, son, age 17, b. Ludgvan Grace Bear, dau, age 15, b. Ludgvan Mary Bear, dau, age 12, b. Ludgvan William Bear, son, age 10, b. Ludgvan Ann Bear, dau, age 6, b. Ludgvan Robert Bear, son, age 5, b. Ludgvan George Bear, son, age 1, b. Ludgvan (Ian, take note of another entry where an apparent grandson is called a 'nephew'!  ) I did a recheck of your 1841, and Mary Bear is again next door to your William (on the previous page): Mary Bear, age 60, tailoris, b. in county Louisa Bear, age 20, dressmaker, b. in county Emma Bear, age 15, dresser of copper, b. in county According to the IGI there is a William Beer chr. 15 Jan 1812 in Penzance to James Beer. Other children of James baptised at Penzance were: Mary Beer 22 Jun 1800 Betsy Beer 17 Dec 1806 Eliza Beer 6 June 1810 James Beer 17 Jul 1803 And at Ludgvan we find: Emma Bear d/o James and Mary Bear, 6 Jul 1823 Could not find a christening for Louisa. There was a James and Ann Bear/Beer having children at roughly the same time, perhaps a cousin of the other James...? I also find the following marriage: James Bear m. Mary Howard 29 Nov 1796, Madron. No sign of William's marriage in the IGI (but a lot of marriages were missed in that source). I wonder if "Louisa Troon's" husband was a brother of Nancy Trewren Bear? |
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Post by Zenobia on Jun 3, 2007 22:45:06 GMT -5
Also, there is a Nanny Trewren chr. 3 Feb 1811 at Ludgvan, to Robert and Grace Trewren. Since William and Nancy named a son Robert and a daughter Grace, I think this is your girl...  Other children of this very prolific couple are: Robert 12 May 1805 Grace 14 Sep 1806 George 6 Mar 1808 Ann 17 Sep 1809 George 1 Nov 1812 Joseph Lobb 6 Mar 1814 William 12 Nov 1815 Christian 15 Jun 1817 Mary 18 Oct 1818 Ursula 2 Jan 1820 (b. 8 Dec 1819) Jane 4 Jan 1822 Jane 19 Aug 1823 William 18 Dec 1825 Jane 21 Feb 1830 (b. 26 Nov 1829) Robert Trewren m. Grace Lob 14 Aug 1804, Perranuthnoe |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 4, 2007 9:42:26 GMT -5
I do not seem to be able to add much to this just now as I do not have the appropriate records available - however I have also checked the Census records mentioned and must concur with Zenobia and her findings to date. I suggest you check the OPC Website for Ludgvan which I am sure will end being helpful. The Online Parish Clerk for Ludgvan is Bill Curnow who is contactable via the OPC site and is williing to do lookups of the required information. I am hoping that he will, at some stage soon, have these records online for us. www.cornwall-opc.org/If you log in to the above you should be able to easily find your way to the Ludgvan section and then be able to proceed. Please keep us updated and we will help where we can. |
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Post by genie on Jun 4, 2007 13:55:38 GMT -5
Thank-you all for the information.
Nanny/Nancy Trewren is correct (wife of William Beare).The Beare's have also been spelt Bear and a son was spelt Beer in one census!
I wonder where James Bear was born as he was married at Madron and his son William was born in Penzance? As I said,it may have been Breage/Germoe. There are a lot of Beare's there.
As to the Troon/Trewren may be it was the accent which changed things as I have Truan's in my family (no relation to those) and their name has been spelt as Truan and Truen.
I have been in contact with Bill in the past and he is related to the Trewren's,but thanks for the Trewren names, I will be able to add those to the Beare tree.
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(Ian, take note of another entry where an apparent grandson is called a 'nephew'!)Unquote
Where did you see that?
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Post by Zenobia on Jun 4, 2007 23:13:33 GMT -5
Glad we could help. I will see if I can find anything further on James, but it may be a few days as the next couple may prove hectic. The nephew/grandson comment was in regard to this entry: Mary Bear, head, age 73, widow, annuitess, b. Penzance
Louisa Troon, age 34, dau, dressmaker, widow, b. Ludgvan
John Troon, age 3, nephew, b. Ludgvan....where John appears to be Mary's grandson, but is called nephew (Ian [Cornish Terrier] and I located the same type of wording recently in a New York census...) |
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Post by genie on Jun 5, 2007 14:47:31 GMT -5
It will great if anything can be found about James Bear/Bear.
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Post by Zenobia on Jun 8, 2007 23:02:59 GMT -5
Hi again Genie, I will try and find some time to look this over again on the weekend. Been working round the clock lately, so have not been around much....  |
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Post by genie on Jul 7, 2007 14:00:14 GMT -5
During the 1841 census the Beare's were living in Newtown, William Bear,25,,Miner (Copper),, Nancy Bear,,30,, James Bear,7,,Grace Bear,,5, Mary Bear,,3, William Bear,2m, Nancy's maiden name was Trewren. I would like to know if William was born in Ludgvan as it has been suggested that his parents may have come from Germoe/Breage and his mother may have been Mary Howard. Perhaps someone has access to records showing his marriage to Nancy which would point the way to his father. I contacted Bill and he told me that William Beare's father James was baptised in Breage 20th Sept 1772. I checked and found that James parents were called John and Mary. It appeared that James siblings were: Jane bap 1769, Samuel 1775, Thomas 1780, Mary 1755 |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 7, 2007 14:11:55 GMT -5
Hi Genie - will try to look at this further in the next couple of days. Cannot do it now as I have about four hours sleep ahead of me before a 'work do' which I expect will end up in me being unable to do much afterwards.  Will do my best afterwards, though.  |
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Post by hairbabe71 on Oct 9, 2011 6:07:55 GMT -5
Ct that Emma bear (my great great great gma) we were searching for was in this thread too!gosh is everyone from Cornwall linked somehow?! Lol
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 9, 2011 6:34:43 GMT -5
Let's just say that Cornwall is a small place with a Close Population! Good to see you are reading and hunting for information and clues.  CT |
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Post by hairbabe71 on Apr 30, 2012 20:06:20 GMT -5
Hi CT, genie....
Genie and i have been emailing and seeing as i got out of the loop i'm back to confused. i'm trying to link Genie's tree to mine and trying to figure out how. i have James Bear and Mary Howard as being my 4th great grandparents from what i've dredged up. (i think my husband's dredging job is easier than family trees!!!) can you help lead me back to how william Bear comes in, was he James' brother? leading us to a 5th great grandparent common?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 1, 2012 2:04:20 GMT -5
If I have this right then your William Bear was the one who married Ann Trewren.  If so then records indicate he was born about 1811 at Penzance which would potentially make him the son of James Bear and Mary Howard whose son William was baptised at Penzance 15th January 1812. That has not yet been conclusively proved but from a brief look just now it does appear that it may be the case. CT |
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