Post by malphillips1 on May 28, 2019 5:04:42 GMT -5
I realise this is extremely off-topic for Penwith but it involves several quirky facts you sometimes come across, and which nag away at you.
It starts in Sithney.
Also a Gwine s/o Balthaser and Barbara (listed on Ancestry "Select Births and Christenings").
And there may also be a Richard (s/o Baltazar), who was buried in 1666, in the mix (possibly a brother because I believe Baltazar's father was also a Baltazar).
Now the quirky bit.
Several years ago, while Googling around I found some details from the Prussia in Germany on Family Search. They were baptisms for a couple called Balthasarum and Joannum. The children's names were german-ised and also latin-ised - but in essence they were:
Bernard 1665
Nicholas 1669
Margaret 1670
Joseph 1673
Barbara 1679
Maria 1680
and
Anna Margaret 1686
It was mainly the baptism of Barbara which caught my eye and made me wonder if there were family connections (naming a child after a new in-law seems to have been a way of welcoming them into the family) - or if it was simply a coincidence. However, the other children's names (in most cases) wouldn't be out of place in Cornwall.
Baltezer 1668 (also buried 1668)
Margaret 1670
John 1672 (and with the alias Paull)
and a second
Baltezer 1676
There maybe other baptisms (where the mother's name isn't recorded):
Christyan 1678
Henry 1682
Meanwhile, back in Germany we have Joannem and Annanm with baptisms:
Balthasar 1682
Joannes 1687 (I take this to be John)
Again it might be a complete coincidence - but there are possible parallels.
Now, there is a fair amount of information about German miners being brought into Cornwall in the 1500s. Just as an example, on www.oldcornwall.net/ we have:
"It is well known that Sir Francis Godolphin had over a Dutch or German mineral man to Godolphin to teach Cornish miners a better way of extracting tin, and in 1586 another German called Ulricke Frose was in charge of copper mining and smelting operations at Perranporth."
So are we seeing something which is the result of the experiment which took place around a century beforehand? Is that part of Cornwall linked to Prussia (in more ways than the name Prussia Cove)?
Can anyone throw more light on this?
It starts in Sithney.
Cornwall Online Parish Clerks have a baptism for Loveday Phillips in 1667 - d/o Balthazar and Barbara.
Again in 1671 there is a baptism for Grace Phillips with apparently the same parents. She died as an infant.
Also a Gwine s/o Balthaser and Barbara (listed on Ancestry "Select Births and Christenings").
And there may also be a Richard (s/o Baltazar), who was buried in 1666, in the mix (possibly a brother because I believe Baltazar's father was also a Baltazar).
Now the quirky bit.
Several years ago, while Googling around I found some details from the Prussia in Germany on Family Search. They were baptisms for a couple called Balthasarum and Joannum. The children's names were german-ised and also latin-ised - but in essence they were:
Bernard 1665
Nicholas 1669
Margaret 1670
Joseph 1673
Barbara 1679
Maria 1680
and
Anna Margaret 1686
It was mainly the baptism of Barbara which caught my eye and made me wonder if there were family connections (naming a child after a new in-law seems to have been a way of welcoming them into the family) - or if it was simply a coincidence. However, the other children's names (in most cases) wouldn't be out of place in Cornwall.
Looking a bit further there is a couple called John and Ann Phillips - married 14 Jan 1667 in Sithney (John is probably Balthasar's brother).
They have the following Baptisms:
Baltezer 1668 (also buried 1668)
Margaret 1670
John 1672 (and with the alias Paull)
and a second
Baltezer 1676
There maybe other baptisms (where the mother's name isn't recorded):
Christyan 1678
Henry 1682
Meanwhile, back in Germany we have Joannem and Annanm with baptisms:
Balthasar 1682
Joannes 1687 (I take this to be John)
Again it might be a complete coincidence - but there are possible parallels.
Now, there is a fair amount of information about German miners being brought into Cornwall in the 1500s. Just as an example, on www.oldcornwall.net/ we have:
"It is well known that Sir Francis Godolphin had over a Dutch or German mineral man to Godolphin to teach Cornish miners a better way of extracting tin, and in 1586 another German called Ulricke Frose was in charge of copper mining and smelting operations at Perranporth."
So are we seeing something which is the result of the experiment which took place around a century beforehand? Is that part of Cornwall linked to Prussia (in more ways than the name Prussia Cove)?
Can anyone throw more light on this?