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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 6, 2015 0:42:49 GMT -5
I just had a look at the National Probate Calendar entry for this Will and noted with interest that it describes Elizabeth Mary as single woman! Now that might indicate one of three things:- 1. she actually was a single woman in which case we might have the wrong person 2. she had been widowed so long that everyone thought she was unmarried 3. she had been divorced If a Divorce was involved then that might be another avenue of research. And from the National Archives I found this:- Reference - J 77/1687/2509 Description - Divorce Court File: 2509. Appellant: Elizabeth Mary Reynolds. Respondent: George Reynolds. Type: Wife's petition for divorce [wd]. Date - 1920 I don't know what charges might be involved but this might be a cheaper, and perhaps better, option to find out if we have the correction Elizabeth Mary Reynolds. If this is indeed your Elizabeth Mary Reynolds then we also have an explanation of the gravestone which has just the names of Elizabeth and her father. CT
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Post by sue on Mar 6, 2015 5:11:32 GMT -5
Nice one CT! discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8025768Seems you can get an estimate of the cost of getting these divorce papers, by clicking "Order". I have no idea how little or much detail is held in the archive. Another item to add to the sizable list of things we have now assembled to check out! Sue
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Post by sue on Mar 6, 2015 13:04:12 GMT -5
FMP tells me that executors of EM Reynolds 1940 will do indeed seem to be of an age with Elizabeth: the John Ladner Rogers born c1867 who married Frances Eva was indeed a horseman on a farm in 1911, & Willie Herbert Lane was in 1911 a married law clerk in Penzance born c1876.
FMP also reveals several newspaper announcements 1940 by the solicitor for the executors, calling for claimants on Eliabeth Mary Reynolds' estate.
I cannot find George Reynolds 1854 in the 1911 census, whatever search criteria I use. Hope you have better luck Ullie....
The servants in the Gulval vicar's household 1901 were Helen Shave born c1866 London; Jane Hodge widow born c1839 Gulval; Kate Stone born c1881 Lostwithiel.
Oh yes, and I've found the 2 "adopted" children of George Reynolds for you: Daniel Kessell, his wife's nephew, died 8 October 1903 age 26 in the Infirmary in Penzance (The Cornishman), whilst Edith Pengelly married William John Tregoning 1899 (OPC) and seems to be childless as Ada in 1911, just with her husband.
Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 6, 2015 17:08:38 GMT -5
Okay Sue - based on some bits and pieces of information you have posted in recent messages here is what I now have on George Reynolds:- 1901 Census 19 St Mary's St, Penzance George Reynolds, head, mar, 47, chimney sweep, Falmouth Ann Reynolds, wife, mar, 54, Penzance Daniel Kistle, nephew, single, 24, Penzance Note nephew Daniel Kistle (Kessell in your recent post) in the household which indicates we probably have the right man. From the Penzance St Mary Parish Register 28th September 1872 by Banns George Reynolds, 20, bachelor, labourer of Market Jew Street, son of George Reynolds, Taylor Ann Kessell, 26, spinster of Market Jew Street, daughter of Thomas Kessell, labourer Witnesses:- John Chudleigh, Ameila Mitchell FreeBMD shows the death of an Ann Reynolds in the June Qtr of 1908 age 62. Ann was age 26 when she married so born about 1846 which would make her about 62 in 1908 so that is almost certainly her death. And BINGO!!! Penzance St John Parish Register
10th February 1909 by Banns George Reynolds, 52, widower, chimney sweep of 19 St Mary's Street Penzance, son of George Reynolds, tailor Elizabeth Mary Richards, 36, spinster of Gulval Vicarage, daughter of John Richards, miner Witnesses:- W. John Tregoning, Charles TregoningThat might just help things along a little bit! CT
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Post by sue on Mar 7, 2015 6:56:02 GMT -5
Bingo! Lotto! Housey Housey!
And my next wager would be on that 1920 divorce.....
Sue
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Post by ullie on Mar 10, 2015 5:28:32 GMT -5
Hello, Bingo, long weekend so did a major sort out, found Elizabeth's marriage certificate and you were right, I copied it down wrong.\ George Reynolds, widow, Chimney Sweep, father George Tailor. The Witness' were W. John Tregoning and Charles Tregoning. The surname is very hard to read and I think my translation is wrong, but looks like they may have been brothers. That's what I get for working on the family history late at night after a long day at work. Thank you for the web sit for Wills which I have ordered Elizabeth's. Thank you for all your help and work you have put in it is very much appreciated.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 10, 2015 15:07:09 GMT -5
We are here to help so very happy that we now have that one sorted for you. CT
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Post by sue on Mar 10, 2015 15:56:07 GMT -5
And for my part, I enjoyed the challenge, Sue! A collaborative effort, & glad it's helped. Sue
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Post by ullie on Mar 12, 2015 5:13:16 GMT -5
Hello, after a lot of sorting I found the original marriage cert. and bingo you were right, I for some unknown reason I wrote the information down wrong- George Reynolds was a Chimney Sweep his father George was the Tailor. That's what I get for researching late at night after a long day at work. Thank you very much for all your suggestions and help as well as the contact for English Wills it is very much appreciated. I have ordered a copy of her will hoping I might find a connection if any to John Ladner Rogers.
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Post by ullie on Mar 16, 2015 1:15:13 GMT -5
Hello, back on internet, Thank you for all your help and suggestions, you were right I found the marriage certificate I copied the information down wrong. George the tailor was George's father with George being a chimney sweep! So Now I can accept George being Elizabeth's husband. And thank you for the Will site I was able to obtain a copy of her will. I really appreciate all your help.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 16, 2015 1:25:33 GMT -5
Our pleasure. Let us know should you have further queries and we will try and point you in the right direction. CT
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