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Post by mjm on Feb 19, 2015 18:44:52 GMT -5
My interest is in the death date and place of James Matthews born St.Leven 17th.Aug.1784 and married Barbara Williams Harvey 1st Feb.1806 in St.Leven Other information of both their ancestors would also be useful. mjm
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 22, 2015 6:34:58 GMT -5
Hello mjm Ref Matthews/Harvey Baptised 1/3/1786 Barbara Harvey daug ofChristopher& Honour 28/sept1787 Mary ------ditto----------- 19/4/1795 Honour ------------ditto --------- Barbara died27/2/1825 aged 39 St Levan Parish Re James Matthews have found Parents with so far 13 children Re Morvah are you located in Cornwall lot of info On Line. Regards Roadrunner
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Post by mjm on Feb 22, 2015 16:45:04 GMT -5
Thanks roadrunner, I am in Australia and regularly look to Parish records on line to seek info but cannot seem to come up with a death date for James. I have as his parents John and Catharine Gribie. John being born 1798 and only three children found by me, James,Robert and John. No other dates for either John or Catharine. Any expansion would be greatly appreciated. mjm
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 22, 2015 23:35:07 GMT -5
This is not exactly correct - 27th February 1825 is the date of BURIAL for Barbara so she would have died sometime in the previous few days. Roadrunner - I am not quite sure what you mean here about James Matthews when you say you have found 'parents with so far 13 children' and nor do I understand your mention of Morvah. Hmmm! or are you inferring that the several children baptized to John Matthews at Morvah from about 1780 might belong to John and Catherine (Gribble)? If so then I am afraid you are mistaken as those children (John 1780, William 1782, Charles 1784 and Elizabeth 1786) belong to John Matthews and Elizabeth Quick who married at Zennor in 1779. I have just four children to John Matthews and Catherine Gribble. Working through the problem step by step and I have found the following:- 1. James Matthews remarried in 1829 - James Matthews of St Levan, widower, married Ann Hitchens, spinster, residing at Penzance, 11th April 1829 at Madron 2. In 1841 James and Ann can be found at Trebehor, St Levan age 55 and 50 respectively. With them are James' two younger sons, Christopher and Thomas, both age 15. (Remember that in the 1841 Census the ages of adults (i.e. age 15+) were usually rounded down to the nearest 5 years) 3. James' age in 1841 would suggest he was probably born sometime between 1781 and 1786 but I have not yet found him in the 1851 Census and so far have found no burial so there can be no certainty about his baptism. But of the three main candidates I would think the 1784 Baptism at Sennen to John and Catherine is the more likely. An important point to note about James Matthews and his family - In 1841 James and 2nd wife Ann along with sons Christopher and Thomas were at St Levan but in 1851 not one of them can be found in the Census. It is quite possible that the entire family emigrated. After searching around I found a reference for Christopher Matthews having died in South Australia. I can find no record of James there but there was an Anne Mathew died in Adelaide whose age indicated a birth about 1788. Matthews is not an uncommon name in the South Australian records but it is possible this was the second wife of James. It is also possible that they emigrated and James died during the voyage. CT
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Post by mjm on Feb 23, 2015 16:18:11 GMT -5
Thanks Cornish Terrier I too was a little confused with Roadrunners reply. I do agree with what you have found. I am most grateful for the knowledge of a second marriage for James Matthews (hither-to unknown) also the mention of two sons Christopher and Thomas is news to me. I only have Robert- baptized 17.6.1777 Sennen, John- baptized 17.1.1781 Sennen & James- baptized 30.8.1784 St.Levan. As regard emigration the first member I have as comeing to Australia is William Matthews (the son of James & Barbara) and his wife Jane (Ellis) together with children Barbara Jane(13),James(11) Mary Harvey(8),Amelia(6),William Henry(4) Elizabeth Ann was born on the voyage out. All on the "Nelson" in 1849. A further two daughters Eliza and Julie were born later in this country. Not at all sure about those in South Australia but I can follow that up from here. Keep up the good wark mjm
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 23, 2015 22:37:12 GMT -5
No, no, no - you have the wrong generation here. Christopher and Thomas were the two youngest sons of James and Barbara Matthews. The children I have for them are:-
James bp. 21st July 1807 St Levan Barbara bp. 29th August 1809 St Levan (married John Newton at Crowan 15th July 1833) John bp. 6th June 1813 Sancreed William bp. 22nd May 1814 Sennen Robert bp. 1st December 1816 St Levan Joseph bp. 7th March 1819 St Levan Christopher bp. 11th November 1821 St Levan (married Mary Wearn at Madron 20th April 1847) Thomas bp. 20th February 1825 St Levan
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Post by mjm on Feb 24, 2015 15:58:00 GMT -5
Thanks again CT. The appropriate corrections have been made mjm
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Post by mjm on Jul 7, 2015 19:58:06 GMT -5
More on the Matthews family in South Australia Register Report for James Matthews.pdf (118.22 KB) As you can see by the attachment most have been sorted out. The exceptions are James, John, Joseph and Thomas, although we know Joseph migrated to Victoria and d1884 in Moyston. I'm having trouble verifying his arrival. The passenger list for the 'British Empire" which arrived in Victoria June 1849 lists two Matthews males. Joseph aged 27 and Thomas aged 25 which almost match our pair, but lists with them their wives Joseph is married to Honora aged 27 and Thomas is married to Sarah aged 20. Search as I may I cannot find these marriages . Can You help ? MJM
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 9, 2015 1:34:50 GMT -5
I think it might be wise of you to go through your document very carefully and recheck all the information. The above quote is from Generation 2 and is incorrect. William Matthews died in 1891 and not 1901.
I don't know about the marriages of Joseph and Thomas but I will have a look and see what I can find.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 9, 2015 2:26:45 GMT -5
You may be in danger of allowing 'assumptions' to take over here. And you may also be causing yourself some problems by forgetting about variations in spelling or subtle variations in names. In the Victorian Pioneers Index there are six children recorded between 1849 and 1862 for parents Joseph Matthews and wife Honor/Honour/Honora and there is another for parents Joseph Mathews and wife Honner. Here we have two variations of the surname and FOUR variations for the forename of the mother - Honor, Honour, Honora and Honner. If you check the OPC site you will easily find TWO marriages in the right time period for Joseph Matthews that could fit the above. 17th October 1842 St Levan - Joseph Matthews married Honour Williams 4th November 1848 St Levan - Joseph Matthews married Honor Matthews But I have a suspicion that NEITHER is the son of James and Barbara. In the first marriage Joseph Matthews was a widower age 34 and names his father as Joseph Matthews, fisherman. In the second marriage Joseph is 'of full age' and a bachelor and names his father as James Matthews, labourer. BUT there was another Joseph Matthews baptized at St Levan in 1821 to parents James and ALICE! The first of these marriages is obviously not 'your' Joseph as this man was born around 1808 and his father was also Joseph. In the second case we have a few more clues to work with but I think you will find that those clues indicate this also is not 'your' Joseph. The children to Joseph and Honor (sic.) born in Victoria were all registered in Melbourne and the fact the first of them was born in 1849 suggests they are probably the children of James and Honora who arrived aboard the 'British Empire' in June 1849. Joseph Matthews age 78 died at Brighton (suburb of Melbourne) in 1899 - his parents are recorded as James Matthews and Alice Thomas Honor Matthews age 76 died at Brighton in 1898 - her parents are recorded as Joseph Matthews and Honor Tonkin So these are the parents of the children born in Melbourne and they are the Joseph and Honor Matthews married at St Levan in 1848. That means that the Joseph arriving aboard the 'British Empire' in 1849 is not the Joseph you are looking for and it also indicates that the Thomas aboard that vessel is also not the son of James and Barbara. CT
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