Hugh Veale and Catherine Guy

[ultraviolet]

I believe I am descended from Martin Ustick who married Jane Veale. Jane seems to be the daughter of Hugh and Catherine, baptised 21 Jun 1634 in St Just.

From a pedigree on the My Heritage website, I have Hugh as born est 1601 in St Just, marrying Catherine in 1621.

I have no details at all about Catherine, and would like to know more about her.

The pedigree suggests Hugh is the son of Thomas Veale and Katheryn Josse. This appears to be supported by the Will of Thomas Veale dated 1640.

Here is where I part company with the pedigree. It claims, as does another pedigree I have seen elsewhere, that Thomas is the son of William Viell and Jane Arundell. The Visitation of 1620 says that William and Jane had six daughters and co-heirs. They do not appear to have left any sons. So I don't accept that claim.

That being the case, where does Thomas come from? In particular, does the fact that Hugh's brother was called Glin suggest a connection with the Glynn family?

[trencrom]

Dec 15, 2013 17:32:50 GMT -5 ultraviolet said:

Here is where I part company with the pedigree. It claims, as does another pedigree I have seen elsewhere, that Thomas is the son of William Viell and Jane Arundell. The Visitation of 1620 says that William and Jane had six daughters and co-heirs. They do not appear to have left any sons. So I don't accept that claim.

That being the case, where does Thomas come from? In particular, does the fact that Hugh's brother was called Glin suggest a connection with the Glynn family?

I too have seen the visitation pedigree and, as you say, it shows his daughters as his coheirs. There is no way they would be his co-heirs if William had a son who survived him, be it Thomas or anyone else, and who left heirs of his own, as Thomas certainly did. The daughters of William Viell also would not have been William's coheirs if William had a son who predeceased him but who left children of his own who outlived their grandfather and who in turn left descendants. So you are right not to accept that claim about William Viell.

It is also debatable that "Veale" and "Viell" are in fact the same surname!

As far as I know, Thomas' ancestry is not known at present. It may be that a search of subsidy records for the late 1500s may shed some light on his origins, or at the very least, when he first appears in St Just.

As for "Glin" indicating a connection to the armigerous Glynn family, who knows? It would be worth pursuing though, just to see if such a connection exists.

Trencrom

[ultraviolet]

Thanks Trencrom, makes sense.

[myghaelangof]

I also claim descendancy from Thomas Veale and Katheryn Josse. I have pondered over the Hugh VEALE family in the past and not come to any conclusions. There is a marriage listed in 1621 for Hugh V to Catherine GUY. However in 1640 Mary VEALE is baptised to Hugh and Julian VEALE, and also in May 1640 there is a baptism of Elizabeth VEALE to Gillian VEALE widow. This ties in with the burial of Hugh in Feb 1639 (3 months before the May 1640 baptism). Julian and Gillian could be corruptions of the same name.
My line is through Hugh's daughter Alice who married Michael BENNETT 29 Nov 1651. Alice and Michael named their children Hugh (her fathers name), Julian (girl - her mothers name?), Thomas, and Melchisedick (his fathers name). Now I know you could marry quite young in those days but I would suggest that Alice was born before Jane, circa late 1620's-1633 and her childrens names reflect her mother as being Julian/ Gillian. If this is so, then Jane would be the daughter of Hugh and Julian. I have never found any other reference to Catherine GUY apart from that marriage.

In the 1630's there were only 2 Veale families baptising children in St Just: Hugh, and Glin.
From this information I surmised that Jane (1634) was the daughter of Hugh and Julian, but nothing concrete about this one.
It is also possible that Hugh Veale father of Jane, was grandson of Thomas and Katheryn, with the records being patchy we may be missing a generation?

[myghaelangof]

re The Subisdy Rolls, those of 1594 and 1597 for St Just both list 12 men, none of whom are named Veale. Neither does Veale appear on the Easter books of 1588-1596. However the Easter books list the Josse family in 3 separate St. Just locations: Churchtown, Kelynack, and Kalara Vaire.
I did come across a 1587 burial in Madron for William, son of Thomas VELLYE. The 1640 will of Thomas VEALE shows that Admon was granted to Thomas VEALE, and that the inventory was taken by Richard VEALE...? The admon was subsequently amended in 1641 as Thomas, sone of Glin veale was in minority. But who was Richard?

[trencrom]

Sounds like either there were two Hughs, or else he married twice, firstly to Catherine and then to Gillian.
Who does Thomas name as relatives in the 1640 will?

[myghaelangof]

Hi Trencrom, my thoughts as well re 2 Hugh's. The missing generation theory I raised above may explain it, especially given the absence of evidence for any events relating to the 1621 marriage. We must always bear in mind the lack of evidence of absence.
Given that the correspondent has not been on line since Feb I won't dig out the will right now, but there was nothing in it to support a 2nd Hugh Veale or family.

[ultraviolet]

Hi Myghaelangof,

By coincidence, I have just dropped back in to see if there is any more info on these families of mine. I've had a hellishly busy year at work, so not much time for family tree stuff!

Thanks for your contributions. The paucity of the data does suggest that the "missing generation" theory is worth considering.

Cheers,

U/v

[killalee]

Another descendant of the same family here. Martin Ustick and Jane Veal's daughter Margery married John Lanyon, and their daughter Ann married my Thomas ancestor Thomas Thomas in St Just in 1730.