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Post by sue on Nov 25, 2011 6:45:15 GMT -5
Just doing some Curnow tidying up..... I see a Jennifer Curnow married a Richard Dodds Greep in Ludgvan, 30 Nov 1837. Witness was a Peter Curnow. I believe this would be Jennifer Curnow baptized 4 Aug 1811 Ludgvan to John Curnow & Jennifer Stevens. Father John Curnow was gone by 1841; I imagine it was his brother Peter Curnow baptized 10 Oct 1813 who stepped in to be witness at Jennifer's wedding. 1841 there is duly a baby Greep, Mary, age 2, resident with granny Jane (Jennifer Stevens) Curnow at Trenowin, with the baby surrounded by aunt Prudence et al. However, there are no Greep parents in sight for the baby; yet the ladies of the house included Jane Curnow age 25. To my mind this would equate to Jennifer Curnow who had married Richard Greep in 1837 and would be the baby's mother. Am I way off the mark?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 25, 2011 9:28:01 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm! No baptism to be found (so far) for young Mary. No sign of a baptism for Richard Dodd Greep, no trace of him in 1851 and presumably no trace in 1841. No sign of any of the Greep family in 1851 in fact. All in all ............ that makes life a tad difficult. I would like to be able to find at least Richard and Jennifer/Jane in 1851 before committing to anything with this one. You may be right about Jane in the 1841 Census as it would not be unusual to see her referred to by her mother when answering enumerators questions as 'and then there be daugh'er Jane and she be about 25'. But was Richard around 'somewhere' or was he deceased? Other slight problem for me is Peter Curnow as witness. I currently have him as the youngest son of John and Jennifer (nee Chellew). There was another Peter in that family baptised at Ludgvan in 1807 but nothing more can be found of him as far as I know. But with no burial found, at least not before 1813, then the next Peter may well be the son of John and Jennifer (Stevens). This fellow married Sarah Kitchen at Madron in 1838 but at the moment I am not prepared to commit to one set of parents or the other. Best the Greeps be found methinks! CT
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Post by sue on Nov 25, 2011 12:02:07 GMT -5
Hmm... was my thinking too, re both Jane/Jennifer & Peter. I am reasonably happy that young Mary Greep is the grandaughter of Jennifer (Stevens) Curnow via daughter Jennifer who married in 1837. (Although actually it now occurs to me that it is possible the 1837 bride of Richard Greep was the 42 year-old Jane Curnow d of John~Jennifer from 1795 who I haven't yet found a home for - so many Janes!) But try as I might, I have found no trace other than that 1841 entry at Trenowin Ludgvan with this baby Mary Greep, of the Greep couple post their marriage.... anywhere in the world.... I've even tried National Archives for a serious criminal conviction, given a recent other find ;D...... As to Peter Curnow, yes, the marriage at Madron 1838 to Sarah Kitchen; children Mary Hannah Mitcherson Curnow 1839, John Kitchen Curnow 1840, Elizabeth Curnow 1841 & probably Richard Curnow 1843 before skidaddling to Australia where (unusually) FamilySearch gives me 1867 death Victoria & 1865 respectively for Peter & Sarah, & a marriage 1864 to Marion Ridler for John Kitchen Curnow. I am also troubled by the lack of a found burial for Peter Curnow: Born Dec 1807 baptized 3 Jan 1808 to John & Jennifer, but on balance I have attributed the Peter Curnow baptism 10 Oct 1813 to John Curnow~Jennifer Chellew, as the father is said to be a farmer, and I linked that with the marriage declaration way back in 1787 that this John was a yeoman; whereas the baptisms that I have for children belonging to their son John, who inconveniently also married a Jennifer, (their Jennifer 1811 no father's occupation stated), 1814, 1817, 1822 & 1827 all refer to the father as tinner/miner. Also, whilst Peter could be fitted in between Jennifer 1811 & William 1814, baptism of Peter October 1813 is pretty close to William April 1814, so Peter isn't an obvious fit to belong to the young John~Jennifer couple.. Perhaps set against that is the 1838 marriage declaration of bridegroom Peter Curnow as to his father John being a labourer, which doesn't really help; and anyway John husband of Jennifer Chellew was buried 1837 age 75, and John husband of Jennifer Stevens has disappeared into the ether pre 1841. Other than this 'ere Peter Curnow who in 1841 declares himself a farmer with 3 servants, as far as I can see all the other locally surviving boys of John Curnow the father & John Curnow the son are miners in 1841. There is an illegitimate Trevorrow child baptised Ludgvan 1835 reputed father Peter Curnow, who is named Aurelia Loveday Curnow Trevorrow. With Aurelia & Loveday being names of daughters of John Curnow~Jennifer Chellew, that had me minded that a Peter Curnow son of John Curnow~Jennifer Chellew would be the father responsible for this child... (Arealah ;D age 7 in 1841, then gone...) But of course that doesn't really solve the problem of whether Peter baptised 1808 survived or not.... to definitely place Peter of 1813... Thank goodness I haven't found not being able to place this chap causing a knock-on problem - unlike some of 'em other Curnows!! Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 25, 2011 15:25:20 GMT -5
Well, Well, Well! ;D I thought there must have been some sort of logical reason why I had Peter Curnow, husband of Sarah Kitchen, placed where he was. And I am happy now that I didn't move him! The Victorian Pioneers Index offers this:- Peter CURNOW died 1867 Victoria age 54 Reg. No. 4983 Father - John CURNOW Mother ................................................ Wait for it!! JANEFOR CHELLEWSo that means Peter of 1807 must have died young which means there should be a burial somewhere before October 1813. CT
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Post by sue on Nov 25, 2011 16:33:13 GMT -5
Excellente!! Thankyou very much! I have seen no sign of a burial for Peter of 1807 unfortunately. Mind you, whilst continuing my tidying up of this family tonight, looking at baptisms for Richard & Ann Curnows at Ludgvan where one couple takes over seamlessly from the other, Richard Chellew Curnow~Ann Sandry followed by Richard Curnow(of Henry~Loveday)~Ann Beley - & Richard Curnow being a name you really didn't want at baptism in Ludgvan it seems as they kept dying young......... Well, I tied up a loose end I'd clocked but never gone looking to trace before: the earliest Curnows in US censuses!! Richard born 1790 & Ann born 1792 England are in Pennsylvania 1850 US census: which I reckon makes them Richard Chellew Curnow~Ann Sandry. They have a son Henry born Ireland with them, who can be seen again in 1870 & 1880, single. And 1870/1880 conveniently ties them in to the other Curnows in Pennsylvania 1850, as Henry is brother to now married (can't see wife) Benjamin in 1880 - Benjamin born England c 1829, somewhere...... - and they are both with mother Annie Curnew in Pennsylvania in 1870. In 1850 Benjamin is living with a Richard Curnow born c 1822 England again don't know where (1823 baptism Ludgvan correlates to a 1830 burial Ludgvan age 6) so I take that to be another brother; Richard married to a Jane & adult children Richard H & Elizabeth present 1880. And lastly: there is a D Curnow born c 1820 Ireland in Pennysylvania 1850, not living with other Curnows, but I don't know where he belongs, he can wait!! Sue PS Richard Chellew Curnow's daughter Kate Hocking Curnow (well, I think it's his daughter) marries 1838 in Ludgvan... so I don't know quite what itinerary of the world Richard Chellew Curnow & family were following.......
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2011 1:29:21 GMT -5
Having named parents of Richard then this marriage is obviously the one from 1823 and not the one from 1813? ;D
Richard Curnow married Ann BAILEY (signed BELEY) 27th March 1813 Ludgvan Richard Curnow married Ann BELEY 28th June 1823 Ludgvan
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2011 2:51:10 GMT -5
Remove Richard of 1823 from the equation! You shall be enlightened shortly! Sorry, forgot that I am not supposed to call you 'shortly'! ;D CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2011 3:13:07 GMT -5
The time of enlightment has come! And now I have to try and manage this without getting myself confused!! I mentioned earlier that there was yet another Richard Curnow/Ann Beley (Bailey) marriage but really that should be of no concern as you will find them around Paul from 1814. And that left two! Separation of the two families of Richard and Ann has proved surprisingly simple even though it took me an hour or so to find that out! Any children baptised at Ludgvan to Richard and Ann Curnow after 1819 belong to the 1823 marriage of Richard Curnow and Ann BELEY. Why? ? - Because from 1820 onwards Richard Chilew Curnow was over around St Austell! ;D The following children were all baptised on the St Austell Wesleyan Circuit:- 08 Nov 1820 - Richard Chilew son of Chilew and Ann Curnow of Trenarren in the parish of St Austell was born 17 Oct 1820 and baptized by Oliver Henwood 19 Aug 1823 - Ann daughter of Richard CARNOW of Chapel Downs, Tywardreath (miner) and Ann his wife, who was the daughter of Henry and Ann Sandry was born 25 July 1823 and was baptized by Thomas Staton 09 Nov 1828 - Benjamin son of Richard Curnow of Tywardreath and Ann his wife was born 21 Oct 1828 and was baptized by Jas Blackett 15 Jan 1833 - Dorothy daughter of Richard Curnow of Tywardreath (miner) and Ann his wife, who was the daughter of Henry and Ann Sandry was born 16 July 1832 and was baptized by William Hales In light of the above I think it quite safe to add this one:- 29 Jan 1826 - Joseph Hocking son of Richard CURROW of Tywardreath and Ann his wife born 26 Dec 1825 and was baptized by Edward Millward I do think you mean Mary Hocking Curnow who married Edward Noble of St Hilary 24th December 1838 at Ludgvan. So - from the St Austell records above you now have your Benjamin Curnow along with brother Richard who were together in the US. And you also have the two families of Richard and Ann neatly separated. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2011 4:36:18 GMT -5
You can also find Edward and Mary Noble at Branch, Schuylkill, Pennsylvania in the 1860 US Census.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2011 4:53:48 GMT -5
And just for something as a little bonus :- Ann daughter of Henry Sandry junr bp. 6th April 1792 Madron Henry Sandry the younger married Ann HOCKIN 26th July 1789 Madron Witnesses - Henry Sandry, Matt: Hosken That gives us the reason for the use of Hockin in the names of a couple of the children of Richard and Ann Curnow. CT
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Post by sue on Nov 26, 2011 7:18:18 GMT -5
You can call me many things......! ;D Well, I have now found a St Austell website with some Non-Con transcriptions on it, but not for this period. Ah-ha: can now see the outline details for Ann Carnow baptism 19 Aug 1823 on FamilySearch; also Joseph Hocking Currow, Benjamin Curnow, Dorothy Curnow & Richard Chilon Curnow. Weird! They have come up on my 3rd go of searching FS, & I don't think I've change the criteria. I wasn't signed in; found them when I did sign in; now they're also appearing when I'm signed out.... Anyway: thankyou for that; and excellent to see married sister Mary (indeed not Kate – whoops!) washed up in Pennsylvania too in due course. Couldn't see her post 1841 England – didn't think of looking abroad for her, worn out by then! And thanks also for the Hocking reasoning. Gosh, enough new information for 24 hours! Now to see to mundane matters like have I left it too late for the shop to have bread & a newspaper...... Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2011 7:31:43 GMT -5
I guess that little lot and the flow-on should be enough to keep you occupied for a little while. It has also tidied up a couple more loose items in my database.
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Post by sue on Oct 17, 2012 12:48:00 GMT -5
This thread started with a query re Jennifer Curnow marriage to Richard Greep 1837 Ludgvan, who appeared to be 1841 at Trenowin Downs Ludgvan as Jane Curnow, with widowed mum Jane et al & baby Mary Greep, 2...... Have now found a burial for Mary Ann Matilda Greap on OPC (also image on FS), Ludgvan 18 Feb 1844 of Trenowin age 6. And also what I believe is a re-marriage for Jennifer/Jane Curnow: Jane Greep 19 Nov 1850 Madron widow age 36 daughter of John Curnow farmer, to William White age 34 sailor. 2nd husband also disappears, I think..... : I believe Jane could in 1851 be alone, Jane White married Head, Madron as a dairy woman age 38 born Ludgvan..... Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 18, 2012 4:41:33 GMT -5
That pretty much confirms that we had identified the right Jennifer Curnow - i.e. daughter of John Curnow/Jennifer Stevens.
But I cannot find any trace of a baptism for Richard Dodd Greep or anything of his father George.
CT
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Post by sue on Oct 18, 2012 6:18:55 GMT -5
From a look at censues, FMP PR records index plus FS, Greep seems to be a Devon name. Closest hint at Richard Dodds Greep I can find is by searching FS for a Greep (variant) marries Dodds any timeframe anywhere: 1807 Devon George Greep to Anne Dodd. In Cornwood, per FMP index. In fact it's the sole hit. Ah-ha & doh! George! George is 1871 in Cornwood Devon age 89 (so baptized 11 May 1782 to George & Susannah, she Maddick per 1767 Cornwood marriage), daughter Mary age 64 present; 1861 wife Ann was still alive. String of baptisms to them, including Mary, John, Thomas, William Maddick, with apparent gaps where other children could fit. William Maddick names a son Richard John in 1860 per census, and a Richard Greep born c1848 is a servant on a farm in Cornwood 1861, back home 1871, baptized I believe as Thomas Richard Greep to Thomas. The name Richard perhaps for a deceased brother....... If Richard Dodds Greep belongs to this family, it suggests he was perhaps an itinerant ag. lab., although he could have tried his hand on a fishing boat and drowned..... That's my best shot! Sue
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