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Post by sue on Aug 12, 2011 6:37:41 GMT -5
This lady, 1st daughter of Matthew Curnow & Jane Stevens of St Ives, appears likely to have married Adam Lander carpenter 8 June 1806. However, like the last Jane I was looking at, they don't seem to have named a child for her father, in this instance Matthew, despite having plenty of opportunity....  I have St Ives baptisms Jane 28 Dec 1806 Richard 9 Dec 1808 Mary Ann 27 April 1811 Adam 13 Jan 1814 Nancy Richards 26 Mar 1817 Wilmot c 1819 as married 1840 father named Adam Charles 7 Nov 1823 James 17 April 1826 Jane Lander burial Dec Q 1859 Penzance RD would probably be this lady, as gone by 1861 census. The only other possible marriage in the right time frame seems to be that to Matthias Stevens at Gulval 6 Jan 1811, but I see no reason why this Jane should be of Gulval at time of marriage. Their children being Manoah 1811 & perhaps Jane 1822, Mary 1824... Margaret 1826?.... Jane bptzd 15 July 1778 had a sister Wilmot & a brother Charles, so other than the missing Matthew amongst the children's names the Adam Lander marriage fits the bill nicely.... Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 12, 2011 9:14:20 GMT -5
Sue - I agree that it was the daughter of Matthew and Jane who married Adam Lander. In fact Matthew Curnow was one of the witnesses.  No sign of a son Matthew as you say but I find it most interesting that no baptism can be found for daughter Wilmot. Not quite sure where you dug this one up from but I just checked FreeBMD and found:- September Qtr 1858 Jane Lander Penzance Vol 5c Page 179 September Qtr 1859 Jane Lander E Stonehouse Vol 5b Page 191 However a look at the Barnoon records is most enlightening  :- Jane LANDER age 77 wife of Adam Lander of St Ives, carpenter buried 3rd October 1858 Barnoon Cemetery (Unconsecrated Ground Section G Grave 4F) Adam LANDER, joiner of St Ives age 79 buried 27th December 1859 Barnoon Cemetery (Unconsecrated Ground Section H Grave 6F) Aha! - wonder if you got the records mixed up and quoted the FreeBMD entry for Adam by mistake? CT |
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Post by sue on Aug 12, 2011 10:17:32 GMT -5
Oops, yes, sorry, quoted from my notes the assumed FBMD death for Adam rather than wife Jane.  . 'Course Barnoon records FAR better! Thanks for the information re Matthew Curnow as witness at wedding; that will definitely suffice for me. Sue |
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Post by sue on Aug 12, 2011 10:51:02 GMT -5
Hmm, if Adam Lander is baptism 13 April 1777 St Ives to Adam Lander joiner & Anne Richards, which he surely must be, what with daughter Nancy Richards, it's slightly odd that burial record Dec 1859 says 79, when it should be 82+ by my reckoning, as I'd have thought 80 a milestone people wouldn't have missed...  Ah well. Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 12, 2011 16:59:21 GMT -5
Well - maybe there was a new rule .................. when you get to 80 you turn around and go back the other way! ;D Or how about ............ Dad died at 80 and I'm not allowed!  Adam Lander of St Ives age 80 buried 12th August 1829 St Ives  Or how about - Adam son of Adam (joyner or carpenter) and Anne LANDER bp. 13th April 1777 St Ives Adam son of Adam and Ann LAUNDER bp. 1st January 1783 St Ives Whichever way you look at it the age at burial must be incorrect .............. but then that never happens ............ does it?  ;D No burial found for the first Adam but that particular period at St Ives is not a good one for the PRs. The one that is readable appears to be a very early copy of the original and has a number of things missing as I found when I transcribed it. And then there is another copy for Baptisms, Burials, 1768-1778. This one appears to be original and is in a very poor state of repair with fragment pages and difficult to read entries. And you may not have realised until now that LANDER and LAUNDER are variations of the same name.  CT |
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Post by sue on Aug 13, 2011 3:57:18 GMT -5
I put my hands up, I missed the 2nd Adam baptism! Sometimes I remember to look for spelling variations, sometimes I don't..... March 1851 he declares himself as 70, (and 1841 as 60 - should strictly be 55 if born 1783) which could be consistent with December 1859 age 79. Idly having a butchers at Adam's siblings' baptisms now, I see the 2 that followed him, Joseph & Elizabeth, were very late baptisms, so maybe this 2nd Adam bptzd 1783 & maybe earlier brother Richard too could have been say age 2 when baptized, which would all work out swimmingly! Mind, I much prefer your 1st 2 explanations for not saying 80! ;D Sue |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 13, 2011 5:57:11 GMT -5
Whoops! you missed another one. ;D
There were actually three Lander children baptised together on 10th April 1792 - Joseph, FRANCIS RICHARDS and Elizabeth.
And looking at the spacing of the children suggests the possibility that you may be right about some delayed baptisms.
I have not followed on with other members of this family apart from the marriage of Francis Richards Lander to Ann Rowe Richards at St Ives in 1817.
CT
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. 'Course Barnoon records FAR better! 
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