Thomas Dunstan abt 1825

[bizzyb]

Hi to every one, not been here for quite a long while, have time now so back to the family tree.
I'm a bit stuck on Thomas Dunstans wife,
Working from the 1861 census,and Mary Lambert Dunstan her father was Thomas Dunston born abt1825.
Married to a Mary.
I have tried to look it up and found a couple of marriages
Mary Vincent and Thomas married Jan 1/4 1847
Mary Warren and Thomas married April 1/4 1846
Think there is another Mary, but have mislaid her surname
Think their first child was Thomas Dunstan born 1849
Bye for now
Bizzy b

[Cornish Terrier]

Nice to hear from you again Bizzy B

Probably as a result of the Evans work I did some back I have the family in my database.

My conclusions back then about the parents of Mary Lambert Dunstan were:-

Thomas DUNSTAN married Mary VINCENT 19th April 1846 at Stithians (witnesses were William Dunstan and Thomas Vincent)

Thomas DUNSTAN bp. 14th January 1824 Stithians son of William Dunstan and Joan (nee Wicks)

Mary VINCENT born about 1825 Stithians daughter of Thomas Vincent and Grace (nee Knuckey)

Because I have not found a reason for the name 'Lambert' I can only suggest this as the 'probable' family based on what information I was able to find.

CT

[bizzyb]

;D

Hi, hope you are keeping ok, see you are still working hard and still helping others.
I did find the marriages on the online parish records, but got a bit muddled.
Dont know how but somehow thought his (Thomas Dunstan abt 1823) father was John.
Had all his children and a wife Mary down from last year on the computer, but have since joined upto Ancestory, and now transferring it all across.
Gradually getting to grips with it, and marrying everybody off.
Will be back for more advice I exspect, Found photos of my fathers mothers sister on Ancestory, so that was a good bonus.
Many thanks
Bye for now
Bizzy B

[Cornish Terrier]

Oh dear! - You mention that you thought Thomas Dunstan's father was named John.

For that reason I decided to have another look to see if there was anything that I might have missed.

Lo and Behold - there is yet ANOTHER MARRIAGE!

Thomas DUNSTAN married Mary KEMP at Stithians 8th November 1846

And THIS Thomas Dunstan IS the son of John!

So now we have two men named Thomas Dunstan both being married at Stithians and both in the same year - 1846 - and only 8 months apart!

Not only that but both men married someone named MARY!

I will check again but memory tells me that records suggest he was a Stithians man which would eliminate the 1847 marriage at Perranarworthal.

Another look at the problem is required and I will post another note with my results as soon as I am done.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Okay – I have decided (just to be safe) to check information about the three marriages that might potentially be involved in this problem.

1. Thomas DUNSTAN (son of William) married Mary VINCENT (daughter of Thomas) 19th April 1846 Stithians
2. Thomas DUNSTAN (son of John) married Mary KEMP (daughter of John) 8th November 1846 Stithians
3. Thomas DUNSTAN (son of Thomas) married Mary WARREN (daughter of Nicholas) 10th January 1847 Perranarworthal

Because Mary Lambert Dunstan was born about 1855 I have started with the 1861 Census which will hopefully enable me to eliminate at least one of the above marriages.

1861 Mylor
Thomas DUNSTONE, head, mar, 43, husbandman, Stithians
Mary do., wife, mar, 37, Perran
John do., son, unm, 14, ag labourer, Perran
Joseph do., son, unm, 12, ag labourer, Falmouth
Nicholas do., son, 9, scholar, St Feock
Emily do., daur, 8, scholar, St Feock
Caroline do., daur, 5, scholar, St Feock
Mary Ellen do., daur, 2, St Feock
Edwin do., son, 9mths, Mylor

The fact that Mary was born at Perran (arworthal) and they have named a son Nicholas I would think this is the 3rd marriage to Mary Warren.
Daughter Mary is also born about 1858 or 1859 which is perhaps a little late and son Nicholas is baptised as ‘Nicholas Warren Dunstan’ so I think we can safely discard this marriage.

There is a slight problem in 1861 as it appears one of the families is missing! But the 1851 Census should hopefully be able to help in that case.

The bonus with 1861 is that the remaining family might offer the clue that supports my original results.

1861 Tregoning, Stithians
Thomas DUNSTAN, head, mar, 38, ag lab, Stithians
Mary do., wife, mar, 36, dairy woman, Stithians
Thomas do., son, unm, 12, ag lab, Stithians
William do., son, 11, ag lab, Stithians
Edward do., son, 9, scholar, Stithians
John do., son, 7, scholar, Stithians
Mary L do., daur, 6, scholar, Stithians
Ellen do., daur, 4, scholar, Stithians
Jane do., daur, 3, scholar, Stithians
Joseph H do., son, 7mo, Stithians
Grace VINCENT, visitor, unm, 21, dairy maid, Stithians

The ‘visitor’ is Grace VINCENT and I would suggest the possibility that she is actually a sister to Mary.
Notice also that the ‘abode’ in 1861 was Tregoning. From 1854 when John was baptised the family was living at Tregoning and the above is certainly the family of Mary Lambert Dunstan.

(I did manage to find the third family in the 1861 Census. Thomas was not at home but Mary and four children were living at Stithians although it appears all were missing in 1871.)

In the 1871 Census I think I have further evidence that the correct marriage is that of Thomas Dunstan and Mary VINCENT.

1871 Census Tregoning, Stithians
Thomas DUNSTAN, head, mar, 46, dairyman, Stithians
Mary do., wife, mar, 46, Stithians
Thomas do., son, unm, 22, ag lab, Stithians
William do., son, unm, 21, shoe maker, Stithians
John do., son, unm, 17, Stithians
Mary do., daur, 15, Stithians
Ellen do., daur, 14, Stithians
Jane do., daur, 12, Stithians
Joseph do., son, 10, Stithians
James do., son, 7, Stithians
Grace do., daur, 5, Stithians
Flora do., daur, 4, Stithians
Edward do., son, 3 mths, Stithians
Grace MATTHEWS, sister-in-law, mar, 30, Stithians

In this Census we find Grace MATTHEWS who is recorded as ‘sister-in-law’ to Thomas and whose age is a very close match to Grace VINCENT of 1861.

Thomas MATTHEWS, mariner of Padstow, (son of Joseph) married Grace VINCENT of Tregonning (daughter of Thomas) 1st September 1869 at Stithians
Witnesses were Thomas DUNSTAN and Edward Oppy

Thomas Dunstan was probably Grace’s brother-in-law but there is enough evidence now to say that the parents of your Mary Lambert Dunstan were definitely Thomas Dunstan and Mary VINCENT.

This then helps confirm that the marriage you are looking for is that of Thomas Dunstan to Mary VINCENT.
That being the case then it is recorded that Thomas’ father was William Dunstan, miner of Skewes and the only possibility at Stithians is William Dunstan and Joan Wicks who married at Stithians in 1821.

In 1841 William and Johanna (Joan) Dunstan are at Treskewes, Stithians along with their nine (of fifteen) surviving children.
In 1833, 1835 and 1836 the family was residing at Skewes when the burials of three children were recorded and then in 1839 and 1840 a further three children were buried with the residence recorded as Treskewes.

I am still unable to answer the question of how Mary came to be given the name Lambert as a second name.

However I think you can move on confidently now.

CT

[bizzyb]

Thankyou!
I was working from Mary Lambert Dunstan, and found the Marys, but now I am attempting to use Ancestory and look up their ancestory hints, it really throws me.
There are 39 hints for Thomas Dunstan born about the same time, and I could not match up any of all the children. You seem to have found more than me, so will keep working at it.
Back soon
Bizzy B

[Cornish Terrier]

You are welcome.

Be careful of those Ancestry Hints. I cannot say that I have personally used them but I have had others contact me to see if I could help with Hints they have found.

Sometimes they actually point to something relevant and others they appear to be a complete waste of time and result in the old Goose Chase.

Anything you get from such sourses should be thoroughly investigated and certainly not taken as accurate.

If in doubt you know where to come.

CT

[bizzyb]

Well I'm still digging, but keep getting side tracked,
Bizzy B

[Cornish Terrier]

All part of the fun!

If you are not getting side-tracked then there is a fair chance you are getting nowhere in my opinion.

I get side-tracked all the time and usually it ends up with me finding a lot more about someone else I had either forgotten about or did not know about.

And quite often it leads back to a different point in the line originally being investigated.

The big problem is remembering just where you were up to in the first place!

CT

[bizzyb]

OK
Finally cracked up
Spent about 20 mins looking through church records and wondering why I couldn't find anthing.
Kept putting in Ogden (too much Coronation Street before I got involved in ancestory) so many variations of Oppie - Opie - Opy - Oppy it will be whoopie when I've sorted it
Bye for now a knackered Bizzy B

[Cornish Terrier]

It gets that way.

Not sure I know of your Oppy(var.) connections so if you would like to tell me a little bit I will see if I can help find that answer for you also.

CT

[bizzyb]

Because I am now on ancestory and there are no census records I have been working just from the online parish records.
I have found it easier to put down the couple and add the marriage and each childs Batism to the parent and go back and add children later to the actal tree, but as I said I have got very side tracked adding marriages to the children, as I have come across them, and then adding their children, but somehow it seems to be fitting in.
This is how I got side tracked with the Oppy family.

7th Great Grandfather and Grandmother
Thomas Odger 1714 - Grace Merton 1720 married 1739
They had 7 children (2 Elizabeths)

Grace Odger 1754 - Bennett Oppy 1751 married 1772
They had 9 children

Avis Oppy 1778 - Thomas Knuckey married 1800
They had 4 children

Grace Knuckey 1803 - Thomas Vincent 1796 married 1825
They had 5 children

Grace Vincent 1840 - Thomas Mathews 1832 married 1869 (now side tracked doing this one)

Thomas Mathews is the husband of my 3rd great aunt

Bye for now
Bizzy B

[Cornish Terrier]

Okay - I can see the connections now.

You seem to be keeping yourself amused at the moment so I will leave you with it.

Just call if you need more help.

BTW - were you aware that Avis Oppy had an illegitimate child?

It appears to be the same Avis:-

Henry bastard of Avis Oppy baptised 17th June 1798 Stithians

CT

[bizzyb]

No missed that one, and posibly more.
Its a bit of a slog the way I am doing it, but it seems to be working at the moment, filling in any facts that I find along the way onto each individual profile, but it makes it more interesting than just approx birth, marriage and if I can find it death.
You are right about using other people info, probably 4 out of 6 are the same,where they have copied, but when you actually look up dates, the person is down as died on ... then you find there are more children.
There is one I can't get right, but at the moment can't remember who, will get back later. when I find it again.
Bye for now, many thanks
Bizzy B

[bizzyb]

OK back on board, have been a bizzy b, that time of year again back to putting up fox defenses, now have got a couple of giant conti rabbits as well as the chickens and ducks, and two new pups
I am going back and pruning my tree, just filling in bits, think it looks boring otherwise, just births and deaths (or perhaps a bit more time on my hands)
:oWhat happened, to the old Online Parish Clerks, don't like the new one, I've got out of a spot of bother more than once from there.
I'm so glad I saved all my information from there last year
Did have a dabble at the Yorkshire sites for my dads side of the family, can't find anything so far as good as the Cornish OPC, and here of course ;D and my geography on Yorkshire places is pants.
Going to run off you're info and go through my mistakes.
Bye for now Bizzy B