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Post by Sarch on Nov 19, 2009 0:33:53 GMT -5
I have a St Ives marriage record for a marriage between Peggy Wallis and John Polmear 10 Jan 1847 by Banns John Polmear 23 bachelor Fisherman of St. Ives (Father: Henry Polmear, Fisherman) Peggy Wallis 22 spinster of St. Ives (Father: [blank] ) Witnesses: Thomas Williams, John Quick I can find Peggy Wallis and John Polmear in the 1851 CensusPiece: HO107/1917 Place: Uny Lelant -Cornwall Enumeration District: 2e Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 425 Page: 24 Schedule: 110 Address: Back Road ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks POLMEAR John Head M M 27 Fisherman Cornwall - St Ives POLMEAR Peggy Wife M F 26 Cornwall - St Ives POLMEAR Mary Dau - F 3 Cornwall - St Ives POLMEAR John Son - M 1 Cornwall - St Ives A few problems  I can't find Peggy Wallis in the 1841 Census - have searched under Margaret and Meg as well. Peggy was born about 1825 in St Ives BUT were her parents married? I don't have a baptism for Peggy or the names of her parents. Was Peggy really born in St Ives or was it somewhere else possibly St Just? Did both Peggy and John die before 1861? I can't find Peggy and John Polmear in the 1861 census but I do find what may possibly be their two children John and Mary ? Piece: RG9/1590 Place: Penzance -Cornwall Enumeration District: 15 Civil Parish: Zennor Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 115 Page: 2 Schedule: 8 Address: Forge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks NICHOLAS John Head M M 54 Farmer 25 Acres Cornwall - Gulval NICHOLAS Jane Wife M F 57 Farmers Wife Cornwall - Zennor POLMEAR Mary A. Servnt U M 17 House Servnt Cornwall - Zennor POLMEAR John Servnt - M 11 Farm Servnt Cornwall - Zennor Can anyone help? Sarch |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 19, 2009 3:52:48 GMT -5
Sarch - when the father is not recorded at marriage it generally indicates an illegitimate birth.
I believe you will find that this is Peggy:-
Peggy Williams Wallis bp. 9th March 1825 St Ives bastard of Peggy Wallis
Peter Noall Wallis bp. 13th September 1826 St Ives bastard of Peggy Wallis
John and Peggy Polmear had two children that I was previously aware of:-
Peter Noall Polmear bp. 1854 St Ives Primitive Methodist
Elizabeth Noall Polmear bp. 1858 St Ives Primitive Methodist
John Polmear's mother was Elizabeth Noall so I would be guessing that Peter Noall Polmear may have been named for Peggy's brother.
It is also possible that this was the name of Peggy's de facto.
John Polmear was bp. 26th September 1823 at St Ives s/o Henry and Elizabeth (nee Noall) Polmear.
After Henry died Elizabeth married John Quick. (Actually John Jenkyn Quick)
CT
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Post by HeatherC on Nov 19, 2009 4:02:50 GMT -5
Hello Sarch 1871 Census St. Ives Cornwall RG10; Piece: 2333; Folio: 73; Page: 40 (The enumerator seems to have recorded them as PALMERE and his handwriting makes St Ives look like St Nees!!) John PALMERE Head, age 47, Fisherman, born St Ives Peggy W, wife, age 45, born St Ives John, Son, Single, age 21, Fisherman, born St Ives Peter W, Single, Age 16, born St Ives Elizabeth W, Daughter, age 12 , Scholar, born St Ives Grace S, Daughter, age 10, Scholar, born St Ives Hy D, Son, age 6, Scholar, born St Ives 1881 Census St Ives Cornwall, 8 Carn Glaze Street, RG11; Piece: 2341; Folio: 82; Page: 22 John POLMEAR Head, age 67, Fisherman, born St Ives Peggy W, wife, age 67, born St Ives Peter N, Son, Married, age 26, Fisherman, born St Ives Henry D, Son, single, age 16, Fisherman, born St. Ives 1901 Census St Ives Carnglaze Street RG13; Piece: 2249; Folio: 74; Page: 20 John POLMEAR Head, age 77, Light Keeper (harbour), born St Ives Peggy, wife, age 76, born St Ives Grace BOTTRELL, granddaughter, single, age 18, Dressmaker, born St Ives Mary BOTTRELL, granddaughter, single, age 16, Apprentice Dressmaker, born St. Ives Next door Thomas BOTTRELL Head, age 41, Fisherman, born St Ives Grace L BOTTRELL Wife, age 41, Born St. Ives 1911 Census Carn Glaze, St Ives Cornwall RG14PN14039 RG78PN837 RD300 SD2 ED3 SN256 - A five room dwelling occupied by 1 person Peggy W POLMEAR Head, Widow, Age 86, Living on private means, born Cornwall St Ives. Peggy also states on the census that her marriage lasted 64 years, a total of 7 children were born all still living at the time of the 1911 Census. England & Wales Death IndexPeggy W POLMEAR March Qtr 1913, Penzance, Vol 5c, Page 315, Approx Age at Death 88 England & Wales Death IndexJohn POLMEAR Sept Qtr 1905, Penzance, Vol 5c, Page 133, Approx Age at Death 81 I dint think the John and Mary Polmear in the 1861 Census are your family as there was a POLMEAR family in Zennor and a child, John, was baptised in 1851 s/o Matthew and Betsy and another child, Mary Ann, back in 1844. I think it more likely that the 1861 children you found are the children of Matthew and Betsy of Zennor. Hope this helps Best regards HeatherC  |
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Post by HeatherC on Nov 19, 2009 4:43:58 GMT -5
Just some extra POLMEAR info from the 1911 Census RG14PN14038 RG78PN837 RD300 SD2 ED2 SN65, 44 Bedford Road, St Ives, 5 rooms occupied by 6 people POLMEAR Henry David, Head, married, age 45, fisherman, born St Ives POLMEAR Emma, married 14 years 5 children born alive, 2 living, 3 died, age 41, born St Ives POLMEAR Doris, daughter, age 6, scholar, born St Ives POLMEAR Clifford, son, age 2, born St Ives ELLIS Mary Ann, mother in law, Widow, age 68, Shop Keeper retired, born St Columb Major FOX Thomas, Boarder, Married, age 47, Botanist, Born Beaminster Dorset RG14PN14039 RG78PN837 RD300 SD2 ED3 SN36, Porthmear Road St Ives, 4 rooms occupied by 3 people. POLMEAR John, Head, age 61, Fisherman, born St Ives POLMEAR Margaret, Wife, married 38 years, 6 children born alive, 6 living, age 61, Dress maker, born St Ives POLMEAR Bessie, Daughter, Single, age 20, Tailoress, born St Ives HeatherC |
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Post by HeatherC on Nov 19, 2009 5:21:01 GMT -5
Just found in 1861 Census RG9; Piece: 1589; Folio: 75; Page: 32, Wharf, St Ives, Cornwall (looks like POLMAN which is as it's been transcribed) John POLMEAR, Head, age 39, Fisherman, born St Ives Peggy POLMEAR, Wife, age 37, born St Ives Mary, Daughter, age 14, born St Ives John, Son, age 12, Scholar, born St Ives Peggy, Daughter, Scholar, age 10. born St Ives Peter, Son, Scholar, age 7, born St Ives Elizabeth, Daughter, age 4, born St Ives Grace, Daughter, age 14 months, born St Ives Peggy NOALL , Mother, age 66, born St Ives Best regards HeatherC |
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Post by Sarch on Nov 19, 2009 9:15:51 GMT -5
Wow thanks for all the replies CT and HeatherC  It was the Peggy Noall mother that did it ;D I have them in my database after all as Peggy Wallis and Peggy Noall from the 1841 Census
1841 CENSUS RECORD St Ives, Cornwall Folio 12 Page 16 Back Road,1,Peggy Noall,,45,,In county, ,,Peggy Noall,,15,,In county, AND I have John Polmear as John POLMORE no wonder I could not find them in my own database  I have a marriage for Peggy Wallis (daughter of James Wallis and Margaret Harry) to Peter Noall 09 Oct 1826 St Ives about a year and a half after the birth of her daughter and a few months after the birth of her son Peter Noall Wallis. Thanks once again Sarch |
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Post by snydly on Nov 19, 2009 15:04:35 GMT -5
Don't you love it when things fall into place ;D
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 20, 2009 3:35:50 GMT -5
Sarch - what information do you have to suggest that Peggy was daughter of James and Margaret?  I ask because there was another Peggy Wallis (d/o Nicholas and Mary) baptised at St Ives in October 1792 - just a couple of months after the daugher of James and Margaret. CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 20, 2009 3:45:23 GMT -5
I cannot be absolutely certain at the moment but it appears Peter NOALL was most likely:-
Peter s/o Peter and Mary Noall bp. 2nd October 1796 St Ives
Peter Noall married Mary Harry 4th August 1774 St Ives
Unfortunately Peter appears to have been 'at sea' at the time of the 1841, 1851 and 1861 Census and there seems to be no death record for him in FreeBMD.
CT
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Post by davidkingmartin on Nov 20, 2009 9:12:39 GMT -5
Sarch: this is a "shot in the dark" and could be rubbish, but.....
Peggy Wallis of 1792 could be the mother of Peggy Margaret KERNICK, St Ives, abt 1828, 1841 Census. PMK`s parents presumed to be William and Peggy (being 1841 it does not state "father" etc).
Ditto 1851 Census.Several children listed.
But nothing else seems to"match".
David
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Post by Sarch on Nov 20, 2009 10:40:58 GMT -5
Hi CT I have Peggy Wallis daughter of Nicholas and Mary Leddra married to William Kernick 23 Oct 1824 St Ives Peggy Wallis daughter of James and Margaret Harry I have married to Peter Noall 09 Oct 1826 St Ives Have I mixed the two Peggys up? Just another thought Mary Harry mother of Peter Noall and Margaret Harry mother of Peggy Wallis any relation? ;D Sarch |
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Post by HeatherC on Nov 20, 2009 11:05:05 GMT -5
Sarch & CT I think the clue is in the second given name of Grace L (who became Grace L BOTTRELL) d/o John POLMEARand Peggy WALLIS. It is Grace LEDDRA Polmear Hope this helps Beat regards HeatherC |
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Post by Sarch on Nov 20, 2009 12:14:34 GMT -5
Thanks Heather C So I mixed up the Peggy Wallis both born 1792  I have sorted them out Peggy Wallis daughter of Nicholas and Mary Leddra i have married to Peter Noall 09 Oct 1826 St Ives Peggy Wallis daughter of James and Margaret Harry I now have married to William Kernick 23 Oct 1824 St Ives I now notice that James Wallis married to Margaret Harry and Nicholas Wallis married to Mary Leddra are brothers How could they create this confusion by giving their daughters born the same year the same name! ;D The girls probably went to school together as well - the teachers must have had a fun time. Sarch  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 21, 2009 9:15:08 GMT -5
A little something to help prove which Peggy Wallis was which. From St Ives Wesleyan Chapel Baptisms:- 4th September 1825 Ann daughter of William Kernick of St Ives (miner) and Peggy his wife, who was the daughter of James and Margt Wallis was born 7th August 1825 and baptised by Joseph Burgess CT PS - And there is now an explanation for the name 'Peggy Williams Wallis'. Peggy would have named her for her stepmother. Nicholas Wallis was first married to Mary Leddra and then married the widowed Margaret Williams in 1803. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 21, 2009 9:57:35 GMT -5
And just as a matter of interest!  William KERNICK was the uncle of my 2xgt-grandmother Betsy NOALL. William's eldest sister Nancy KERNICK married William NOALL at St Ives 27th December 1810. Betsy NOALL was baptised at St Ives 2nd February 1823. Benjamin TREWHELLA married Betsy NOALL 5th October 1850 at Lelant. CT |
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