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Jun 26, 2010 13:18:57 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 26, 2010 13:18:57 GMT -5
A brief hunt around seems to have produced only two likely candidates in the area for William Edwards. William bp. 13th June 1725 son of John and Jane at Lelant William bp. 2nd February 1830 son of William and Alice at St Ives William and Ann seem to have had only two daughters whom they named Mary and Gertrude. And those two names seem to do absolutely nothing to help matters! But then they had five sons that I can find - William, John, Thomas, Christopher and Hannibal. From this I would suggest that William may be the son of John and Jane baptised at Lelant in 1729. After naming a son for himself William then named a son John which might well have been for his father. That combined with the last two names is certainly suggestive. John and Jane baptised a son Hannibal in 1718 and a son Christopher in 1721, both at Lelant. We need to be careful here though as it appears there was an earlier John and Jane Edwards. I think also that the records for Lelant prior to 1730 become very patchy. CT
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Jun 29, 2010 22:11:08 GMT -5
Post by graham on Jun 29, 2010 22:11:08 GMT -5
Dear CT, The site to which I am referring is the Cornwall Family History Society, which now has a "member's area" that includes a forum. They also plan to provide access to a data base, (for a fee). "You will be able to search your Cornish Roots using our databases of Baptisms, Marriages, Church burials, Census 1841 to 1901, Monumental Inscriptions (many with photographs) and MORE."
Regarding the crossing of parish boundaries. Earlier families (say in the 1700's), did seem to be more sedentary and I think that this probably did apply to the William Edwards, b abt 1731, of Uny Lelant. However, it wasn't long before the following factors kicked in and had a big impact on the lives of these people: *Agricultural Revolution: Large families continued to exist but the labour was not required in the fields to produce the food. In fact more food could be produced using machines, from the same amount of land and with fewer people. *The expansion of mining, especially in Cornwall, provided employment for the children of these large families, (who previously would have remained as farm labourers). However, this often meant moving closer to the mine site. New machines, meant that mining activities grew; (e.g. steam driven pumps allowed mines to be dug deeper). *Roads and transport improved. These trends can be clearly seen, especially when following the one family through the data provided in the census material (1841 - 1881).
You are quite right in saying that the source I used for William and Ann was the IGI. For the later Edwards's I have been able to cross check with Cornwall OPC and Census records (but this earlier material is more difficult). I have also tried the name matching of the children, that you suggested. This is what I found so far: William Edwards b abt. 1731 (Uny Lelant) m 3 Aug 1756 (Uny Lelant) Ann Uren c 22 Apr 1733 (who was the daughter of Robert Uren and Ann Richards) Their children: Mary Edwards c 7 Nov 1756 Uny Lelant Gertrude Edwards c 25 Jun 1758 Uny Lelant William Edwards c 27 Dec 1759 Uny Lelant John Edwards c 21 Nov 1762 Uny Lelant Thomas Edwards c 30 Dec 1764 Uny Lelant (ggg grandfather) Christopher Edwards c 4 Apr 1768 Uny Lelant Hannibal Edwards c 29 Dec 1771 Uny Lelant
Based on this info. and using the "naming pattern" model I have been looking for a William Edwards as being the father but so far no luck. It is this that made me think that perhaps I should be looking at another parish. However, I suspect that there may be a missing child or even children from this list; e.g. there is no daughter called "Ann" (after William's wife, and her mother was also called Ann).
Thank you for your continued interest and help. Meanwhile, I'll keep looking. Regards, Graham
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Jun 29, 2010 22:26:38 GMT -5
Post by graham on Jun 29, 2010 22:26:38 GMT -5
Dear CT, I'm sorry that I missed reading your very last message (26th June at 1.18 pm), before posting my most recent reply 30th June), as it was on the next page and it didn't show up until I posted the info. above. From what you are saying, you don't seem to think that Mary and Gertrude had brothers William, John, Thomas, Christopher and Hannibal. I'll spend some more time digesting what you have said. Regards, Graham
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Jun 30, 2010 11:44:22 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 30, 2010 11:44:22 GMT -5
HI Graham, Mary and Gertrude certainly had all those brothers .... unless we have a second William and Ann Edwards lurking around! The family as I see it is:- Mary bp. 7th November 1756 Gertrude bp. 25th June 1758 William bp. 27th December 1759 John bp. 21st November 1762 Thomas bp. 30th December 1764 Christopher bp. 4th April 1768 Hannibal bp. 29th December 1771 There is room for two or three more children but there is no evidence of them. It may be that the above is a complete list which then suggests that Mary, being first child, and Gertrude are the names with some significance to this family. I will think more on this and see if I might conjure up something of significance! CT
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Post by graham on Jul 9, 2010 0:33:31 GMT -5
Dear CT,
You are qiute right. The names "Mary" and "Gertrude" do regularly appear in the different generations; the name Gertrude Edwards is a very user friendly name when hunting ancestors, as it is more unique and less common than say "Mary".
From what I can see one of her brothers, Thomas Edwards c 30 Dec 1764 Uny Lelant married Alice Hosking (c 2 Aug 1762 Uny Lelant) These are my ggg grandparents. Their children were: Thomas Edwards c 16 Jan 1791 Uny Lelant (m Elizabeth Berriman) Gertrude Edwards c 1 Nov 1795 Uny Lelant (d 6 Oct 1815, Uny Lelant aged 20) Richard Edwards c 29 Apr 1798 Uny Lelant (m Elizabeth Triggs); my gg grandparents Absalom Edwards c 15 Oct 1805 Uny Lelant (m Mary Pearce) Tobias (Phillis) Edwards c 2 Feb 1808 Uny Lelant and possibly a William Edwards b abt 1802.
The children of Richard Edwards and Elizabeth Triggs (m Uny Lelant 3 Jul 1819), were: Gertrude Edwards c 21 May 1820 Gulval Mary Edwards c 15 Sep 1822 Gulval Elizabeth Edwards c 4 Sep 1825 Gulval Alice Edwards c 1 Aug 1829 Gulval (who had a son, Thomas Edwards, my g randfather) Sarah Edwards c 13 May 1832 Gulval Ann Edwards c 11 Mar 1837 Gulval
Thomas Edwards married 29 June 1867 Madron, Ann Tonkin. Their children were: Annie Edwards c 19 Apr 1868 Gulval Richard Edwards c 5 Sep 1869 Gulval (d Gulval 4 Mar 1878 aged 8) Elizabeth Edwards c 25 Jan 1871 Gulval Mary Elizabeth Edwards c 3 Jul 1872 Gulval Jane Tonkin Edwards c 25 Feb 1874 Gulval Thomas Tonkin Edwards c 5 Jan 1876 Gulval Alice Edwards c 22 Aug 1877 Gulval Richard Edwards c 23 Nov 1880 Gulval (my grandfather)
In the 1881 Census, they are all listed in the one household at Barlewenna, Gulval. I don't know what happened between then and the 1891 Census but I have not had any luck in finding where they went from here, (except that my grandfather, years later, ended up in Australia, (via Pretoria). I know that Thomas Edwards (b 1847) was employed as a miller. On my grandfather's birth certificate (Richard Edwards b 1880), his father, (Thomas), has his "Rank or Profession" listed as Miller Journeyman, which suggests that his employment may have been in the process of changing.
I do know that my father, while serving in the R.A.N. visited the Seamen's Mission, in either Portsmouth or Plymouth and was identified, by his appearance, as being a relation, by two sisters, who turned out to be his aunties. They would have to be two of the ladies in the last list above. I was also told that they were later killed in a German air raid.
Just one other thing, while talking about the appearances of people. My father had olive skin and black hair and it was a family joke to say that he had "Spanish blood" in him, supposedly as a result of Spanish sailors, who ended up in Cornwall after the destruction of the Spanish Armada in 1588. History also tells us that Mousehole, in Cornwall, was attacked when the Spanish landed there. From a photo that I have (together with what I have heard from eyewitnesses), my grandfather, Richard (b 1881), also had an olive complexion, and so do I! Have you heard of Spanish intermarrying in Cornwall?
Any suggestions or leads, especially in my search for more recent Edwards, would be appreciated.
Always grateful for your help CT. Regards, Graham
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 9, 2010 4:07:41 GMT -5
Hi Graham - apart from the early origins there do seem to be a couple of things causing some problems here! I have read through your latest twice but at the moment have nothing solid that I can offer. I took a look at the 1891 Census and also 1901 and have so far been unable to find any of the family. You mentioned that Richard spent some time in Pretoria prior to his arrival in Australia so maybe we need to tie down some information here. It would appear that the entire family left England sometime between 1881 and 1891 and it is likely that the destination was South Africa. I have been unable to find any record of the family in the Immigration records on Ancestry which is a fair indication that they did not travel to America. But one interesting point here! - you mention that your father visited the Seaman's Mission in Plymouth or Portsmouth and was recognised by two ladies who turned out to be his aunts. If, as you suggest, they were sisters of his father Richard then it means at least some of the family returned to the UK. Was there any indication of whether these 'aunts' were married? If we can get a little more information about this then it may produce some leads to help find the rest of the family. But otherwise we are going to need to try and track down some records of the family leaving the UK. You ask about Olive Skin - well I can tell you that I have a picture of one of my great-grandfather's sisters and you would almost swear she was related to the American Indians! The resemblance could also be Spanish - swarthy and rugged looking is how I describe her. Yes, the Spanish may have had some influence on the Cornish Population but then the likeness could go back a lot further than the 16th Century when Mousehole was sacked and burned. From very early days there was trade between Cornwall and the Mediterranean so perhaps the Phoenicians might be the culprits! As mentioned above - to track down your later Edwards I think we need to find a little more information about your grandfather and his time in Pretoria. Anything at all that you can think of could give a clue. CT
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Jul 10, 2010 10:11:47 GMT -5
Post by graham on Jul 10, 2010 10:11:47 GMT -5
Dear CT,
Thank you for your prompt reply. I'm more than happy to share what I know and what I am finding out about the Edwards ancestors from Lelant and Gulval.
Thank you also for giving me your own thoughts about the Spanish blood theory. Other users, (of the site)!!! might have some ideas about the impact that the Armada and Spanish survivors (or the Phoenicians), had on Cornwall. I know that a lot of Tonkins came from around Mousehole.
Having negotiated the Hebrides, and after going all the way around on a northern route, many Spanish ships were wrecked along the western coast of Britain, and survivors apparentlly ended up on that part of the coastline too. With research in genetics, there may be a whole new chapter here!
In a way, it is reassuring to know that you have also looked in the 1891 and 1901 census and found nothing there to go on re the family of Thomas and Ann Edwards. However, with Family History, I maintain the view that there is something there but I'm just not looking in the right place. I'm sure you think the same way.
As you may have seen, in the 1881 Census, the family, of which we are talking, are all there but something has happened, which has led to a dispersal. I wonder whether the mother, Ann, died, leaving Richard, the youngest surviving son, feeling unattached; (and there was only one other son, Thomas Tonkin Edwards c 5 Jan 1876 Gulval).
Certainly, something happened, which led to a major change to the status of the family that can (can't)! be seen in the 1881 Census. (Obviously, there is always the likelihood of older daughters getting married or becoming empolyed and leaving home); but what happened to Thomas and Ann? and Thomas Tonkin Edwards?
In 1891 my grandfather, Richard, being the youngest member of the family, at about 11 years old, is likely to have been with (some) members of the family and so should show up in the 1891 Census somewhere.
I can see where you are coming from in thinking that the family headed for Pretoria as a group. Although family stories on this side of my family are sparse, (in contrast, listen to my mother when she is revved up)! I am convinced that Richard went solo, leaving the rest of the family behind. Also my father was the only surviving child of Richard and Ruth.
Richard's departure from England would have been in about 1905, as I have his Marriage Certificate, stating that he married Ruth Mary Howse, Pretoria, 15 Dec 1908. There are no known witnesses on the Marriage Certificate, which supports the fact that none of Richard's family members were ever there.
I reckon that Richard and his wife, Ruth, together with my father, arrived in Australia in about 1913. Thomas and Ann (nee Tonkin), mainly had surviving daughters and so there aren't as many leads. Apart from my grandfather, Richard, there was one other surviving son: Thomas Tonkin Edwards c 5 Jan 1876 Gulval, but I haven't found him yet.
So it was a real surprise for my father, when, at the Seaman's Mission, he was recognised by his aunts whom he had never before met (and who had never seen him). They "recognised" him by his looks, (Spanish blood)? These two ladies were working there at the time but this still leaves three unaccounted sisters.
The two my father met would have been daughters of Thomas and Ann and sisters of Richard. As far as I know they weren't/didn't marry but I am told that they died as a result of a German bombing attack on the port. Both Portsmouth and Plymouth were hit hard in WW2. Let me know how critical the date of my father's meeting with these two aunts is, but without checking, I think it would have been some time between 1937 and 1940. I reckon the raid that killed his aunts was in 1941.
Best wishes for now, Graham
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Jul 10, 2010 18:51:59 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 10, 2010 18:51:59 GMT -5
Graham - the date of meeting with the two aunts is not necessarily critical although it would add something to the time-line of events. But I have searched again and can find absolutely no record of the family of Thomas and Ann Edwards anywhere in the UK after the 1881 Census. This includes Scotland and Wales. For that reason I believe the family moved en masse from England sometime between 1881 and 1891. The fact that your grandfather spent time in Pretoria suggests the possibility that South Africa was the destination of the family. But this does not mean that something else did not happen prior to Richard's marriage. That no family members appear to have witnessed the marriage gives no proof one way or another so although I would like to have seen at least one familiar name I am prepared to disregard that item for now. The main fact we have to deal with right now is that the entire family disappears before Richard has reached the age of 10 and that is further indication that they left as a group. The next apparent fact we have is two presumably elderly aunts who recognise your father on a visit to Plymouth or Portsmouth possibly soon before 1940. Now - I am not disputing this but I think it best that I make some allowances for memory etc. and word the following statement as I have. Allowing for the accuracy of this story we have two probable sisters of Richard who have returned to England possibly sometime before the Second World War or perhaps even because of it. Our one problem with this scenario is that we have a potential gap of around 50 years between when the family departed England and when they (or at least some) returned. Another point has just crossed my mind about this scenario. I am not sure that you have told me whether your father was born in Australia or back in Pretoria? For the two aunts to recognise your father 'by his appearance' as a relation suggests the strong possibility that they had actually seen him before. It may well be that he simply bore a strong resemblance to your grandfather which prompted the recognition. But it may be that the 'aunts' knew him as a child and that would certainly indicate that the family was together after leaving England. (Some of this may seem like pure rambling I know - but sometimes these 'rambles' provide answers!) In effect we now have a number of possiblities to be considered. CT
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Jul 10, 2010 19:12:26 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 10, 2010 19:12:26 GMT -5
Graham - this may, or may not, be something. On November 2nd, 1909 a ship named "German" arrived in London from South Africa. One of the passengers was Alice Edwards age 32. This 'could' be a match for your grandfather's sister Alice who was born in 1877 and would have been age 32 in 1909. And most interesting is the fact that this ship came from South Africa! I cannot guarantee any connection here but in light of the information I currently have it is something that must be considered. It is possible that Alice was one of those 'aunts'. CT
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Jul 15, 2010 11:03:41 GMT -5
Post by graham on Jul 15, 2010 11:03:41 GMT -5
Dear CT,
Once again thank you for your thoughts and efforts in trying to solve what happened to Thomas and Ann Edwards and their children.
I am trying to think of any additional information that might help and I will respond to your queries in sequence and add anything I know, if I think it may be helpful.
My father was born in Pretoria: Gordon Richard Edwards b 5 Dec 1911, s/o Richard Edwards c 23 Nov 1880 Gulval and Ruth Howse c 17 Mar 1883 Chislehurst, England. (She went to South Africa as a Nanny and met Richard, once there).
By the way, you probably would have noticed how the "Richard" lineage has continued!
From Gordon Edwards's Baptismal Certificate in Pretoria, (Christ Church, Arcadia): c 4 Apr 1912. Under the heading, "Sponsors, or (in the case of Adults) Witnesses" three names appear: E Parton, H Richardson and H Parton. There are no known family.
So isn't that unusual, if all of the family had gone to Pretoria? (Of course, if they had all gone to South Africa, as you suggest, there may have been some further dispersal after arriving.....interesting possibility).
**If you want me to email copies of the original documents for a closer look, let me know.
Richard Edwards and his wife Ruth, had another son, I am told, younger than Gordon, who died as a baby: ("one male deceased," as a child of their marriage, appears on Richard's Death Certificate).
Re: "The two aunts" of Gordon: The strong resemblance theory is the way to go here. Based on primary sources, the rough time line I have worked out for Richard, his wife Ruth and their son, Gordon, looks like this:
a) 1908 Richard Edwards (28 yrs old) in Pretoria, marries Ruth Howse; (source Marriage Cert.) This is the gap we are trying to fill: the 27 years between the 1881 Census and his marriage].
b) 1909 - 1910 a s/o Richard Edwards and Ruth, (nee Howse) born and died. (Part Source Richard's Death Cert.)
c) 5 Dec 1911 Gordon s/o Richard Edwards and Ruth, (nee Howse), born. (Source Gordon's Birth Cert.)
d) 1911/12 Richard Edwards is involved in a motor bike accident, which supposedly makes him unable to continue his business as a metal worker/plummer: sick due to head injuries. This event led the family to migrate to Australia. (What a good move)! Maybe the head injuries were a bonus.......or an excuse for something). All interesting but secondary source stuff here I'm afraid.
(However, Richard ended up being well enough!!! to play Aussie Rules for Port Adelaide)!
e) 1912/13 Richard Edwards, his wife Ruth and son Gordon travel to Australia and disembark at Port Adelaide. (They lived in Semaphore). Now there's a puzzle! At first, I thought, perhaps they could not have afforded to go any further than Adelaide, but then, why not disembark at Fremantle?
My mother thinks they may have already had contacts here. Now how's that for a spanner in the works? (not my mother)! I don't need to tell you about the S.A. Cornish links, including the parts played by various Tonkins and Edwards!
So I reckon Richard, Ruth and Gordon Edwards arrived at Port Adelaide in about 1913. That would have made Gordon between 2 and 3 years old: not old enough for some aunts to recognise him decades later, because they had remembered seeing him before.
You were right on the second account: the aunts recognised Gordon because of the "strong resemblance" Spanish blood)?? of Richard, (not because they had remembered seeing Gordon previously).
Under different circumstances, I have had the same sort of experience. A crewman, who served with my father on H.M.A.S. Hobart in WW2, identified me. He remembered my father but he had never seen me before or knew I had any association with my father or the H.M.A.S Hobart, but about 50 years later, due to a strong resemblance, (or "Spanish blood')!!! he recognised me as Gordon's son! That sent shivers up my spine; so it does happen.
f) 1924: Gordon Edwards receives his School Reference dated 18 Dec 1924 (Source: Junior Tech. School Hurstville, Sydney).
g) 1939: Richard Edwards died 31 Jul 1939. He had been in N.S.W for 14 years (Source: Death Certificate), i.e. left S.A. in about 1925.
The Alice Edwards lead that you provided, travelling on the "German" from South Africa in 1909, is interesting. What we tend to forget is that South Africa is a big country and has a number of ports. I am still trying to find out the common route (of the day), in and out of Pretoria, (which of course is inland).
**Let me know if you can help me on this one, (being a keen Geographer too).
Finally, in regard to a whole family move, like the Edwards we are talking about, South Africa would have been seen as having greater risks at the time, as compared with other alternative "new world" locations. I can still remember my grandmother (Ruth's) mildly? racist comments about "the blacks" and how Richard kept a silver (chrome)? German Luger six shot revolving pistol, (which embarrassingly remained in the hands of the family until recent times). Back in Pretoria, it was fired into the air on Empire Day but this doesn't explain Richard's reason for possessing it. However, in Australia he kept the gun and it wasn't let off on Empire Day, or ever again to my knowledge.
Circumstancially, things must have been very desperate for the whole Edwards family, (Thomas and Ann and children), to move from Gulval to South Africa. Alternatively, the incentive must have been over the horizon and beyond belief. So what led to this thinking, whether for a family or just Richard? At the time, I can understand singles, like Richard, or young couples or brothers or cousins immigrating to South Africa, but not whole families of mainly near adult children. I am not convinced that Richard travelled to Pretoria with the rest of the family.
**What sort of access is there to South African records?
Meanwhile, I am still working on developing, what is turning into an enormous task of linking up what I have found out about the Edwards families of Uny Lelant and Gulval. It's long and tedious and I keep thinking that someone has already done this and that all I am doing is treading in someone else's footprints. However, it is difficult, if not impossible to find out who else has a common interest.
**Any thoughts here?
Best wishes for now, Graham
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Jul 16, 2010 0:57:38 GMT -5
Post by Sarch on Jul 16, 2010 0:57:38 GMT -5
Hi Graham Travel to Pretoria would have probably been from Cape Town however there was also a train route from Mozambique from the port of Lourenço Marques/modern day Maputo in Delagoa Bay, that is if the boat had come through the Suez Canal, or Durban in Natal which is also on the East Coast of Africa. Passenger lists in South Africa for arrivals were mostly kept for First Class passengers which is not much help at all. The Anglo Boer War ended in 1902 so the country was "relatively peaceful" My family from St Ives came to South Africa about 1908 -1912 which were 3 of the 7 living children two of whom were married. Union in South Africa was formed in 1910 uniting the British Colonies and the Republics. Some Records are indexed online at SA National Archives for the various provinces www.national.archives.gov.za/Regards Sarch
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Jul 16, 2010 4:37:05 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 16, 2010 4:37:05 GMT -5
Graham - I have just read your latest for about the third time now and I keep coming back to the fact that none of the family can be found in England after 1881. I would certainly appreciate copies of those original documents please! I 'might' see something there that gives me a clue but I have also never seen South African BMD Certificates. (Under my Avatar you will see two icons. The one on the left should look like a little envelope and this is the link to my email.) Your mother's thoughts about possible contacts in Australia is another point worth serious consideration but just how we work out who these contacts might have been will be the problem. First thoughts would have to be family - possibly a married sister. But then we would need to look at the family of Richard's mother also. A lot more thinking to be done I reckon! And thankyou to Sarch for the information regarding possible routes to Pretoria. Always handy to have someone 'on the spot'. On a slight side-track we have a discussion on the Hosking family just started again. There is a slight possibility that there could be a link here as the linke of Andrew Hosking goes back to a marriage between Andrew Hosking and GERTRUDE EDWARDS at Lelant in 1702. CT
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Jul 25, 2010 9:37:44 GMT -5
Post by graham on Jul 25, 2010 9:37:44 GMT -5
Dear CT,
Thanks for making the effort of reading my message three times. I'll try to be more concise, although I reckon I'm finding out more about the Edwards than you could poke a stick at! I appreciate that you identify with the frustration that I share about the apparent disappearence of my "recent" Edwards ancestors, apart from my immediate ones, i.e. my father Gordon Edwards and his father Richard Edwards, (the latter appearing in the 1881 Census as a baby).
I am back at school, after two week's break, which means a bit less time on family history research. Nevertheless, I will try to keep in contact. I won't forget to send you copies of the docs. that I mentioned, although they are not South African BMD (Government) docs., but Church ones. Sorry if that disappoints you.
I am still chasing up my mother re her memories about why Richard and his wife, Ruth, ended up in Adelaide, after leaving Pretoria. Part of the answer may be in the Port Adelaide Maritime Museum's computer data base. I have been told that their data base contains deatails of every arrival at Port Adelaide, (and is not available elsewhere; i.e. can only be accessed on site at the museum). However, I know that most of the very early arrivals are available on line, but Richard and Ruth arrived later. It is so easy to live so close but never get there! I'll keep trying, together with my intended visits to Government Archives, State Library and even Mortlock if required.
Your query about the Hoskings is no surprise. I'm sure you must be aware that all of these families inter-married, and it also seems that marriage between cousins was not uncommon. This makes it a bit more difficult in working out the different (common)? relationships for us today. This is what I have found out about the Hoskings / Edwards links so far:
Thomas Edwards 30 Dec 1764 Uny Lelant s/o William Edwards & Ann Uren m Alice Hosking 12 May 1788 Uny Lelant (d/o William Hosking & Alice Curgenven m 6 Feb 1749)
Their children: Thomas Edwards c 16 Jan 1791 Uny Lelant Gertrude Edwards c 1 Nov 1795 Uny Lelant Richard Edwards c 29 Apr 1798 Uny Lelant m Elizabeth Triggs 3 Jul 1819 Uny Lelant (my ggg grandparents) Absolam Edwards c 15 Oct 1805 Uny Lelant Tobias (Phillis) Edwards c2 Feb 1808 Uny Lelant ?William Edwards abt 1802? (some doubt here)
This may be of use to you or someone else.
Now the other Hosking that I have found in my file follows: Gertrude Edwards b abt 1670 Uny Lelant (d abt 1725 d/o Arthur Edwards c 10 Apr 1625 m Jane ? ) " " m Andrew Hosking (c 1667) at Uny Lelant 13 Apr 1702 (Source: Tom & Jana (Hawes) Robertson (Rootsweb)
Now, if you are anything like me, you are wondering about the missing links between the time periods. Like you, I will keep looking. Furthermore, I am certain that I have come acoss other Edwards/Hoskings links. I'll keep looking there too.
Regards for now, Graham
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Jul 25, 2010 9:52:44 GMT -5
Post by graham on Jul 25, 2010 9:52:44 GMT -5
Dear Sarch, Thank you for your interest and reply re my grandfather and grandmother's arrival in South africa and their route of travel to Pretoria. As far as I know they both travelled at different times and from different places, Richard Edwards from Gulval/Penzance and Ruth from London (as a nanny for, I believe, a lawyer in London). I have these details, and thinking about what you said about records being kept for first class passengers, do you think there might be a possible lead here and where should I look for arrivals/departures?
Thank you again for your reply. Regards, Graham
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Jul 25, 2010 10:44:20 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 25, 2010 10:44:20 GMT -5
G'day Graham - not disappointed at all about those documents being Church Records. They are still 'Official Records'. After reading your latest information I have started to wonder whether the name Gertrude actually goes back through the HOSKING side to the marrige of Gertred EDWARDS. That may well be the actual 'Gertrude link' meaning some time has been wasted on the Edwards side. Not to say that we don't need to work on the Edwards! But if Gertrude comes to your family via the Hosking line then it might eliminate a 'red herring' from the Edwards side of the equation. Hope that hasn't confused you! More to ponder over. CT
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