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Post by junket on Feb 9, 2009 16:09:51 GMT -5
I am making progress, with my tree and am told, my Vivian family, originate from Camborne.
John Vivian bc 1626 and Agnes Bray Stephen Vivian bc 1667 and Sarah Unknown Stephen Vivian bc 1692 and Jone John
Are there any other Vivian researchers or someone who can help with look ups, please ?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 10, 2009 9:25:39 GMT -5
If you would like to let me know just what you are after I can certainly have a look through what I have.
I do have the Transcripts of the Camborne PRs and will be happy to check them.
CT
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Post by trencrom on Feb 11, 2009 3:31:27 GMT -5
Have you looked at the heraldic visitations of Cornwall? They are availbale online and there is quite a bit on the Vivian family.
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Post by Mal on Feb 11, 2009 11:45:40 GMT -5
Vivians were a bit posh for my lot!!! I agree with Trencrom, the Herald's Visitations most definitely have trees for the Vivian families. One word of wanring, be careful with those old trees as I have found that although the information they do have is reliable there are sometimes lots of gaps so just because someone isn't on the tree does not mean they did not belong, if you see what I mean. Double check with the parish records.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 12, 2009 7:20:35 GMT -5
Yes - there were the 'posh' Vivians but, as with other 'pedigreed' families, it seems there were also the poorer cousins. So do not be put off by the likes of the Visitations and also remember that they were based on Heraldic events dating back to the times of 1570 and 1620. These pedigrees were also (as I understand it) based on 'word of mouth' evidence from the person seeking confirmation of right to bear the Arms. As I recall there was a requiremen to state 7 generations of descent and this is what these 'trees' are largely created from. Further documentary evidence, of course, would have been requied. I may stand corrected on some of this as I am working from 'top of the head' memory but I think I have it basically right. Given the dates of the Visitations and the ensuing gaps in Parish Registers it can be very difficult to trace back into some of these lines. And it is also therefore possible that someone of the same name may not be directly connected at all. This is probably more particularly the case where the name is one of 'place-name' origin. I will allow Trencrom and others with more knowledge in this field to add further. But let's first work with the 'known' and work backwards to see what we can find. CT
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Post by junket on Feb 13, 2009 18:47:46 GMT -5
Thank you for your replies, I apologise for the delay in replying, but I have been working on the Vivians. I'm not a ' posh Vivian ', I am most definitely one of the poorest cousins, if at all related to them.
I was given my line, by another Vivian researcher and as you say CT., I am working back, from what I do know, in 1800, in the St Mewan area to 1692, when Stephen Vivian, is born in Camborne.
I will post , 'the given' over the next few days and would appreciate the help.
Trencrom, I have never come across the 'Heraldic Visitations' before and wouldn't know, where to start with them. If my Vivians, go back far enough to appear on them, I would appreciate, being taught the correct way to research them .
Thank you
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Post by trencrom on Feb 14, 2009 3:02:06 GMT -5
Hi again Junket, The published Cornish visitations are a series of pedigrees arranged in alphabetical order by family surname, and there is a comprehensive index of names. You will find further details at www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/Cornwall/visitations/index.htmlThe various Vivian families pedigrees start at page 527 and go through to page 548. The last visitation of Cornwall was in 1620, but J. L. Vivian in his published visitations extended a lot of these pedigrees later than that using information that he obtained from other sources. I agree with malcolm that the information in the visitations should be double checked against probates and parish registers where either or both of these are available. The amount of information in the pedigrees varies considerably -- the informants to the heralds sometimes omitted siblings that are known from other evidences to have existed. The main branch of the Cornish gentry family of Vivian was based at Trevidren in Buryan and later at Trelowarren in Mawgan in Meneage parish in the Lizard.
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Post by junket on Feb 16, 2009 11:23:59 GMT -5
Thank you trencrom.
My first hurdle, is Stephen Vivian, bapt Camborne 1692. ( his parents marrying in 1690 ).
I have been told, he married Jone John, in St Mewan, Dec 21 1706. ( the trees online I have found all have this ) Their first child, Stephen bapt. in St Mewan, 18 Oct 1707.
There is a marriage in St Mewan, in 1706. ( IGI Batch Nos for St Mewan )
Stephen would have been 14, when he married. Would he have needed parental consent and would this have been mentioned in the register ? I have asked the other Vivian researcher about the marriage, she has told me thet she was given the information and presumed he married young.
I could not find a death or marriage in the timeframe, for Stephen 1692 Camborne, on the Camborne OPC pages.
I have e mailed the OPC., for St Mewan regarding the 1706 marriage and a possible baptism, in St Mewan for Stephen Vivian.
Another e mail to another Cornwall researcher, gave me a Stephen Vivian, marrying in Veryan, in 1685.
This is where I stand at present.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 17, 2009 5:52:18 GMT -5
From Phillimore - the 1685 Veryan marriage reads:-
Mr Stephen Vivian & Mrs Mary Slade 8 Sep 1685
The Mr and Mrs would indicate they are 'upper class' (for want of a better term) and so might possibly appear in the Visitations Pedigrees.
For your query regarding marriage at age 14 - it was quite legal to marry at 14 although I cannot profess to having seen it on more than rare occasions.
Unfortunately I do not have St Mewan records so cannot help with that part of the problem but I will continue to monitor this thread in the hope I can come up with something of use for you.
CT
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Post by junket on Feb 17, 2009 11:29:34 GMT -5
thank you CT.
I did wonder on the Mary Mrs Slade, when I looked at the IGI Marriages, for Veryan. The OPC, wasn't able to help, so I have asked around and I am searching, online. I need help with the Visitations, but will look, when my OH is free.
Thank you so much, everybody. I will keep you informed of my progress ( or lack of it ).
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 18, 2009 2:13:00 GMT -5
That's the way keep posting here and letting us know how you are going. It serves as a reminder to us but also allows other members (new ones included) to get involved. You never know - we might have a new member join tomorrow who knows something of value for you.
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Post by junket on Feb 20, 2009 1:45:49 GMT -5
I have heard back from the OPC., for Veryan.
No further details for the marriage. No Baptism records, for Stephen Vivian and Mary Slade. No baptism records, for children of Stephen and Mary.
We have looked at the Visitations, there is no further information on Stephen Vivian, beyond his bapt Camborne, 1692.
When OH has more free time, we are going to go through it further, looking for other Stephens and checking their details.
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Post by vivian2008 on Mar 10, 2009 18:08:48 GMT -5
Hi there,
We are Vivians and have been doing a lot of research into the surname. In fact there is a thread somewhere, probably lost in the centre of this server, from last year, in which we asked for any information. It is that that I have been checking and only just come across your posts.
Please re-post any outstanding requests and we will look at our data and let you know if we can help.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 24, 2009 15:43:11 GMT -5
I believe I mentioned quite some time back that I had a VIVIAN involved in my TREWHELLA family. George VIVIAN married Jane TREWHELLA in Connecticut about 1885. Well I think I just might have identified him. According to IGI George was born in Cheshire, New Haven, Connecticut 20th May 1862 but there is no mention of his parents. Using that basic information I have done some work on the US Census records and think I have come up with more. There was a George (surname indexed as VURON) in the 1870 Census at Connectict who was then age 8. His parents were William and Catherine who were both born in England. I checked that and there was a William and Catherine VIVIAN at St Austel in the 1861 Census with children that matched those in 1870 at Connecticut. And the ages of William and Catherine matched up perfectly also. I was not convinced of this one though as I found George with a sister named Martha who had been born in Connecticut about 1859 - at least two years before William and Catherine turned left England. In another Census I found Martha with her mother Mary J VIVIAN who had been born in England about 1830/1. Now I have also found a site on Cheshire, Connecicut History on which there is a 1934 Transcript of the Cemeteries of Cheshire. And in that Transcript I found the deaths for George VIVIAN and his wife Mary Jane along with other children. There appears to be no sign of William and Catherine in this Transcript. Checking back through Cornwall with the Census and also FreeBMD I found a George and Mary J VIVIAN at Redruth and their ages matched exactly with the details in the Cemetery Transcript at Cheshire. FreeBMD produced the marriage in 1850 of George VIVIAN and Mary Jane REYNOLDS. I believe this is the family from which came George the husband of my Jane TREWHELLA! ;D CT
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Post by vivian2008 on Mar 24, 2009 16:39:12 GMT -5
Nothing heard from Junket as of today
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