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Post by gandolf on Dec 7, 2008 4:41:00 GMT -5
After all, isn't that what this forum is all about - working with others to solve the "great" problems in our research through shared research and insights.
Besides, there is nothing like a good 'scholarly' arguement to get everyone involved because inevitably everyone has an opinion! ;D
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 7, 2008 7:28:15 GMT -5
Very true. And now I have even more work to do based on some stuff Lannanta has just sent me for perusal. Can't elaborate just yet as there is quite a bit to sort through and consider before working out just where the problems are and how to present them for discussion. My head hurts!
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Post by lynk on Jun 27, 2009 0:30:21 GMT -5
I just found this website and what a find it is for me!! I am a descendant of Thomas Medlin who did come to NZ with his mother Mary Anna Medlin (formerly Johns) in I think about 1905 with another sister and brother. I dont know if the husband came and returned to Australia when she died in 1912. I have a list of all their children and birth dates. She married William John Quick Medlin in New Jersey in 1873. I think I have found the shipping details when William (born ?1849) went to US with his mother Elizabeth and brother Paul Quick Medlin (born Apr 1857). Even though the age does not tally for Paul, I think it is them. They arrived in New York on the CHINA, June 1870. Elizabeths 3 daughters, Elizabeth born 1842, Margaret born 1844 and Wilmot Ann born 1853 stayed in England and married as I have read on the message board (I did not have all this information!). William & Mary Anna went to Australia from US around 1877 and I am intrigued as to the reason why and any information you can give me. Hope this all makes sense to you. Lots of information for me to digest.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 27, 2009 13:31:18 GMT -5
Lyn - have only had a brief look around so far after (hopefully) getting over that little problem I emailed you about.
So far not been able to find details of the arrival of the family in Victoria and nor can I find any record so far of their departure for New Zealand.
Howver here is what I have managed to find so far:-
Victoria Births
(Parents - Wm Jno MEDLIN and Mary Anna JOHNS)
Alice born 1889 Beechworth (Reg. 730) Bertie born 1894 Beechworth (Reg. 17802) Thos born 1892 Beechworth (Reg. 10248)
And now for some odds and ends.
Chas MEDLIN, age 31, died Beechworth 1910 (Reg. 11526) Father - Wm Jno Quick MEDLIN Mother - Mary Anna JONES
Chas MEDLIN (born SA) married Mabel Flor(ence) PLEMING 1903 (Reg. 4476
Not sure of 'SA' is South Australia or South Africa or .... - but children born Beechworth.
Wm Jno MEDLIN (born New York) married Edith Carol WOODGATE 1905 (Reg. 3815)
Children also born at Beechworth.
Paul MEDLIN (born AP) married Nellie JOHNSON 1912 (Reg. 1971)
Children born at Beechworth but I don't know what 'AP' stands for.
William John Quick MEDLIN died at Beechworh 1929 age 79 (Reg. 8105)
Paul MEDLIN (s/o Wm Jno and Mary Ann) died at Fitzroy 1946 age 61 (Reg. 2549)
Wm John MEDLIN (s/o Wm Jno and Mary Ann) died at Beechworth 1949 age 75 (Reg. 22452)
There are some other entries there but these are the main ones and I can check the others properly a little later.
Looks like 'SA' is South Australia as per the following:-
Charles MEDLIN s/o William John and Marian (JOHNS) born Queenstown 2nd March 1879
Elizabeth Ann MEDLIN d/o William John and Mary Anna (JOHNS) born Royal Park 12th September 1882
Paul MEDLIN s/o William John and Mary Anna (JOHNS) born Royal Park 14th January 1885
From this it would appear that they came to South Australia from the US and then later made their way to Victoria.
Unfortunately I cannot find any passenger lists later than 1851 at the moment so will have to do some more searching.
CT
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Post by lynk on Jun 28, 2009 0:39:36 GMT -5
Here are the children of William John Quick and Mary Anna Johns. You seem to have all this information....but not of the second child James Henry. Another one to add!! I think you have the birth dates of Thomas & Bertie transposed. Bertie as the youngest. William John 1 Jun 1874 Kingston NY or NJ?? James Henry 1876/7? (think he was also born in US), Died Charles 2 Mar 1879, South Australia. Elizabeth Ann 12 Sep 1882 Paul 14 Jan 1885 Alice 1889 Beechworth, Died Christchurch?? she went to NZ with mother and married a TERRY I think Thomas 10 Apr 1982 - Beechworth, Died 8 Oct 1970 Christchurch, NZ Bertie 9 August 1894 - Beechworth, Died Christchurch 1962 Where abouts is Royal Park?? birth place for Paul and Alice. Charles would have definitely been born in South Australia as that is where the ship landed when they moved from USA. If you want the marriage info on Thomas, let me know. Bertie never married. I will try and find out about Alice.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 28, 2009 3:40:07 GMT -5
Thanks Lyn - I actually had the birthdates for Bertie and Thomas correct but had them listed alphabetically as they appeared when I looked up the Index.
Yes I would appreciate the marriage details for Thomas if you don't mind.
Given the Quick connection I will eventually get all this information added to my database.
Do you have the details for the marriage of William John MEDLIN and Mary Anna JOHNS??
And a further question - do you have any idea of when and where Mary Anna JOHNS was born??
It might just be that she connects with one of the JOHNS families I already have in my database with one of those having a TREWHELLA connection at Ludgvan.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 28, 2009 4:03:18 GMT -5
Lyn - I have just taken a look at the Immigration records for the arrival of Elizabeth MEDLING and her children into New York aboard the 'China' in 1870. It 'might' be the right family but ....... Although not overly concerned about the discrepancy in age Elizabeth would actually have been 53 rather than 52 as recorded. I only have an approximate birthdate for son Paul and that is 1856/7 as deduced from the Census. However it is interesting that I cannot find a record of his birth in FreeBMD. This is not an unknown problem and I have experienced it before. BUT - I do have to tell you that if this is the correct family then William John was NOT with his mother on that voyage! The first child listed is W A age 17 - FEMALE. Given it is the correct family then this would be Wilmot Ann who was born about 1852/3. Although I cannot be absolutely certain there are enough similarities in names and ages here to suggest the probability that it is indeed 'our' Elizabeth with children Wilmot and Paul. Will have another look and see what more I might be able to find. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 28, 2009 5:17:40 GMT -5
I have just noticed something else a little peculiar in that Immigration Record. 270 Elizabeth MEDLING 52 female WIFE 271 W A do., 17 female child 272 Paul do., 12 male child Elizabeth states she is a 'wife' which would indicate that her husband was still alive. However John Medlin was buried at Penzance 2nd January 1859. Perhaps this is a different family but then the coincidental names and ages would seem to indicate otherwise. The nearest possibility I can find just now for William John is a Wm MEDLYN age 20 arriving in New York in May 1869.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 28, 2009 5:31:16 GMT -5
Further to my last - I now think it is the correct family.
Having had a look around at PRs, FreeBMD etc. I can find no further trace of Wilmot Ann MEDLIN.
There is no marriage or death record in FreeBMD.
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Post by lynk on Jun 28, 2009 6:30:29 GMT -5
I think my inexperience is showing!! Yes, it could probably be Wilmot Ann who would indeed by 17. (I didnt think of that!) Maybe she went back to England as I think I have some records of her back there after that date...my next project to find that information. Maybe the wife thing is wrong....as she was definitely a widow by then. I found Wilmot Ann in the 1861 UK census, she was the 4th child.
Do you have the name of the Ship for William Medlin going to US in 1869??
More to do tomorrow night!!!
Thanks so much for your help.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 28, 2009 10:18:52 GMT -5
Oops - I had William on my brain. What I meant was that the closest possibility I could find was a 'John Medlyn' age 20 who arrived in New York 31st May 1869 aboard the 'Virginia'. A deeper search may find something more amongst odd spellings but I considered the possibility that he may have been known as 'John' at least sometimes. Now for the next interesting little problem. I think I have found Paul Quick Medlin in FreeBMD. Births Jun 1857 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Medlin ? Penzance 5c 371 All details would be correct except for the absence of his name. But there is now no sign of Wilmot Ann. She was born about 1852 or 1853 and the only close possibilities are:- Births Mar 1851 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Medlin Annie Penzance 9 245 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1853 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Medlin Ann Quick Penzance 5c 359 I would suggest the latter is probably her but it does raise some interesting questions. What is a little intriguing is that from 1840 until 1871 there are only three MEDLIN events in the Penzance Registration District in FreeBMD that do not belong to the family of John and Elizabeth. Probably the birth of Annie (above), the birth of Walter John Medlin in 1854 and the marriage of Charles Richards Medlin in 1850. And the birth of Ann Quick Medlin is the only reference for that name in all of FreeBMD. I think it will be a great help if you can locate that further information for Wilmot Ann as this is beginning to confuse me! CT
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Post by lynk on Jun 29, 2009 1:30:07 GMT -5
Hi Ian William John Quick Medlin married Mary Anna Johns 17 June 1873 USA. (this info was from Thomas birth certificate) I have never been able to find proof of this as yet. Thomas Medlin married Ethel Sedman Watson 17 Oct 1923, Lincoln, Canterbury, NZ Bertie Medlin never married Mary Anna Johns was born near Penzance in 1855 (I haven't noted where I got that info) I will try and get a report for Medlin off my Reunion database and email to you. Cheers
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 29, 2009 5:05:22 GMT -5
G'day Lyn Thankyou for the additional information. If the 1873 marriage occurred in New Jersey then you will certainly have problems and the same can be said for New York. I have recently done a bit of research into US records and can certainly vouch for the above comment. New Jersey is one of those States where the Law prohibits the publishing of information that would be of help to genealogists. This is not a law directed at genealogists but is in place for many other reasons which ultimately make it difficult for us. It will be possible to verify the information but it would mean payment and I would have to check up on the exact means to obtain the certificate. With the information provided I will have a look to see if I can identify Mary Ann JOHNS. Bingo! FreeBMD has only one birth record for a Mary Anna Johns in the Penzance R.D. and that is in the June Qtr of 1856. Will see what I can find from there. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 29, 2009 8:59:09 GMT -5
Lyn - do you have any recollection of any more specific details regarding the above?
'Near Penzance' can mean many things and often encompasses a much larger area than the general district of Penzance.
Having had a bit of a look around I am currently of the opinion that her family was more likely to be from a little further East.
FreeBMD shows birth records for four girls named Mary Anna JOHNS - 1848, 1855, 1856 and 1862 - with only the 1856 event occurring in the Penzance Registration District.
From what I have found so far it would appear unlikely that this 1856 event is the right one with my preference being the 1855 birth in the Redruth R.D.
A combination of FreeBMD and Census records provides the following possibility:-
William JOHNS married Alice VIAL Helston R.D. March Qtr 1846 Vol 9 Page 139
From IGI:-
William JOHNS married Alice VIAL 14th March 1846 Crowan
Apart from the fact that the daughter of this couple seems the most likely candidate from Census records there is the fact that William and Mary Anna MEDLIN named a daughter Alice.
There may be many reasons for this of which one is that she was named after Alice Johns, her grandmother.
IF I am correct then Mary Anna JOHNS d/o William and Alice was baptised at Gwinear 6th January 1856.
From 1851 and 1861 Census records the family would be:-
William JOHNS born c. 1824 Gwinear (born Crowan - 1861 Census) Alice (VIAL) born c. 1824 Crowan Elizabeth bp. 7th May 1848 Gwinear William Henry bp. 5th May 1850 Gwinear (born Redruth) Ellen bp. 6th January 1856 Gwinear (born Redruth 1851) (1861 - born Phillack) Mary Anna bp. 6th January 1856 Gwinear (born Phillack) James bp. 23rd August 1857 Gwinear (born Phillack) John bp. 15th May 1859 Gwinear (possibly died before 1861) Josepha bp. 9th January 1863 Phillack (born Phillack 12th October 1860)
All largely conjecture at the moment but this does seem to be the most promising link.
CT
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Post by lynk on Jun 30, 2009 1:29:41 GMT -5
Just realised where I got the info from for Mary Anna Medlin (Johns). It was her death certificate. States that on 8 November 1912, she was 57. So she probably was born in 1855 as that would make her 57 on 8/11/1912. For her place of birth it states: Near Penzance, Cornwall. And on that death certificate it states she was married in New Jersey, America at the age of 19. Unfortunately it does not give name of her parents. Says not recorded...bugger.
Thanks for all that info.....I am liking your theory. You have been a great help. Cheers Lyn
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