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Post by gandolf on Dec 4, 2008 5:29:12 GMT -5
What about...
Digger - Victoria 1902-1913 - Edwardian Index. Surname : POLMEAR Given Names : Matw Hy Event : M Spouse Surname/Father : GROOT Spouse Gvn Names/Mother : Mary Birth Place : VIC Year : 1902 Reg. Number : 4930
Digger - Victoria 1902-1913 - Edwardian Index. Surname Gvn Nms, Event, Sex, Father, Mother, Bth Plc, Year, Reg. No. POLMEAR Ira, B, M, Matw Hy, Mary CROOT, TALLANGATTA, 1909, 31239 POLMEAR Pansy, B, F, Matthew Hy, Mary CROOT, TALLANGATTA, 1907, 14539 POLMEAR Peter, B, M, Matthew Hy, Mary CROOT, TALLANGATTA, 1903, 29090
Actually, no. Mathew Henry is the son of William and Jane (Hosking) Polmear.
So what about....
There is a Mathew Polmear & Edith Cam. Can't find a marriage, but I believe Mathew's brother Thomas married Isabella Cam who could be Edith's sister.
Digger - Victoria 1889-1913 - Federation & Edwardian Indexes. Surname Gvn Nms, Event, Sex, Father, Mother, Bth Plc, Year, Reg. No. POLMEAR Clarence Hy Mat, B, M, Mat, Edith CAM, TALLANGATTA, 1899, 30295 POLMEAR Ivy Hannah Jane, B, F, Matw, Edith CAM, TALLANGATTA, 1911, 15574 POLMEAR Oliver Saml Robt, B, M, Matw, Edith CAM, TALLANGATTA, 1906, 30287 POLMEAR Flor Euphemia, B, F, Matw, Edith CAMM, TALLANGATTA, 1908, 23110 POLMEAR Millicent Edith Glad, B, F, Matw, Edith CARR, TALLANGATTA, 1902, 14184
Also...
Digger - Victoria 1902-1913 - Edwardian Index. POTMEAR/POLMEAR Saml (born ST IVES CORNWALL) (surname indexed both ways) Married 1910 Vic, Australia (Reg # 208 and also xref 208R) PETERS Hart Louisa
Digger - Victoria 1902-1913 - Edwardian Index. Surname Gvn Nms, Event, Sex, Father, Mother, Bth Plc, Year, Reg. No. POLMEAR Edward John, B, M, Samuell, Harriett Louisa PETERS, TALLANGATTA, 1911, 24217
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 4, 2008 8:14:20 GMT -5
I had decided to not pursue the others and rather stick to the immediate family for the time being. However - I cannot say who most of those you have recorded might be except that it would appear they did not stay in Victorial. However:- Digger - Victoria 1902-1913 - Edwardian Index. POTMEAR/POLMEAR Saml (born ST IVES CORNWALL) (surname indexed both ways) Married 1910 Vic, Australia (Reg # 208 and also xref 208R) PETERS Hart Louisa I would suspect these following belong to the above marriage:- Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Surname : polmear (26 matches) Total matching records: 26 -------------------- Surname: POLMEAR Given Names: Samuel Father: John Mother: Nanny EDDY Death Place: TALL Age: 80 Age Code: Year: 1960 Reg Number: 30486 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Surname : polmear (26 matches) Total matching records: 26 -------------------- Surname: POLMEAR Given Names: Harriet Louisa Father: Peters Edward Mother: Mary Wilber CROSS Death Place: TALL Age: 80 Age Code: Year: 1964 Reg Number: 25544 Event: D This Samuel was a nephew to the son (Samuel) of John and Jennie POLMEAR. There do not appear to have been many POLMEARs in Victoria so it might be considered logical to expect they were all related - if not even part of the one family. However - it may not necessarily be the case. For the sake of this excercise I would be inclined to stick with the known and leave the rest until a little later. After all - we are still working on the QUICK side of this problem and have now introduced BERRYMAN (again!) and still have a little to sort out for earlier generations. And now it must be close to time for me to make the ultimate decision. Which of the options I have considered to use to transfer all that data so that I can retain ease of use. ...................
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Post by gandolf on Dec 4, 2008 14:20:39 GMT -5
Agreed that all the Polmears in Victoria are likely related in some way - especially all the ones around Tallangatta!
No problem re postponing the research into them. I had only found the other information while double checking the family of Thomas & Elizabeth (Medling) Polmear.
The Quick family and descendants definately a big enough mouthfull to chew without branching out into other more distantly related hangers-on. ;D
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Post by gandolf on Dec 4, 2008 14:59:33 GMT -5
Have finally found the family of Margaret (nee Medlin) and William John Tredwin. To recap.. Margaret Medlin b.1844, dau of John & Elizabeth (nee Quick) Medlin. Margaret married 18 Mar 1866 Madron to William John Tredwin b. circa 1845 Cornwall. The Tredwin name is rather rare in Cornwall, and indeed in Britain. However it is apparently not a mistranscription of Trewin as I first thought (althought the names may be related in some way? ). The clue was to be found on the following website: www.our4fathers.com/Tredwin/WilliamJTredwin.htmThe six children of Margaret & William Tredwin: 1. Elizabeth Mary Tredwin b. 1844 Penance RD, Cornwall m. 26.2.1891 Queenstown, Sth Australia Charles William Watson b. circa 1867 Only one known child of Elizabeth & Charles Watson: Margaret Linda Watson b. 22 Mar 1894 Queenstown, Sth Australia 2. Wilmot Ann Tredwin b. circa 1868 (England??) had what appears to be an illegitimate child (given her age and lack of a marriage) to William Henry Cock Mary Ellen Cock b. 12 Mar 1884 Queenstown, Sth Australia m. 13 Jan 1909 Nth Adelaide, Sth Australia Percy Emsley b. circa 1887 No children found as Sth Australia births stop at 1906 3. John Henry Tredwin b. circa 1871 (England ??) John died 7 Sep 1886 Royal Park, Sth Australia 4. Maggie May Tredwin b. 14 Sep 1878 aboard RodneyMaggie 1st married 6 Jan 1900 Semaphore, Sth Australia Charles William Danvers b. circa 1877 d. 9 Dec 1904 Queenstown, Sth Australia Maggie & Charles had three children: Violet Mary Danvers b. 23 May 1900 Queenstown, Sth Australia Gladys May Danvers b. 31 Jul 1901 Queenstown, Sth Australia William Charles Danvers b. 2 Mar 1904 Queenstown, Sth Australia Maggie remarried 28 Apr 1913 at Alberton, Sth Australia to John Baptist Corry. No children found as Sth Australian births stop at 1906. 5. William Paul Quick Tredwin b. 10 May 1886 Royal Park, Sth Australia. He died 13 Sep 1886 Royal Park, Sth Australia. Seems likely that there was illness in the family with two sons dying within a week of each other. 6. William George Tredwin b. 26 Jul 1889 Royal Park, Sth Australia William married Miriam Clare Tustin b. 16 Nov 1900 Wales, d. 1965. Children of William & Miriam: Donald Lewis Tredwin John Walter Tredwin Thomas Charles Tredwin Pamela Olive Tredwin Edith Margaret Tredwin b. 2 Feb 1926. Married an unknown SCOTT Gladys Elizabeth Tredwin George William Tredwin
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 5, 2008 3:02:49 GMT -5
Good idea Gandolf - we do have a bit of work yet to do. But it is good to have the information recorded for later reference and subsequent follow-up. As a matter of interest here is what Pawley White has to say about the name:- TREDWEN - Possibly from place name Tredwen, Davidstow, spelt Riguen in Domesday Book - res - (g)wyn: fair ford. CT
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Post by gandolf on Dec 6, 2008 1:01:19 GMT -5
Working through updating my records and I think I may have just found the missing "link" for John Osborne Polmear Quick. Up till now, neither CT nor myself had been able to find him on the 1891 census. In 1841, John was with his future wife's family, and his occupation was listed as blacksmith. In 1851 John was living with what appears to be his wife's siblings. John's occupation given as labourer. In 1861 John was with his sister Elizabeth (Quick) Medling and family, but the Medling's moved to the US in the late 1860's (before 1871). John's occupation given as labourer In 1871 & 1881 John was with his sister Ann (Wilmot Ann) (Quick) Gregory and family. John's occupation again as labourer. And then there is the following entry... Piece: RG12/1858 Place: Penzance -Cornwall Enumeration District: 20 Civil Parish: Penzance Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Paul's Penzance Folio: 69 Page: 6 Schedule: 36 Address: 5 Reservoir Court HALL William Head M M 71 Stone Cutter(Notem) Cornwall - Penzance HALL Mary Wife M F 42 Cornwall - Gulval QUICK John Lodger S M 70 Retired Blacksmith Cornwall - Zennor(Originally: Cornwall - Sennor The occupation of blacksmith is consistent with John's original occupation. However he is recorded as a labourer in the intervening 50 years? I have just double checked, and there are no other John Quicks born betweeen 1815 and 1825 who appear with the occupation of blacksmith in any census between 1841 and 1891. The ONLY exception is John O.P. Quick in 1841.The place of birth is Zennor rather than St. Ives. However not having seen the original, it is possible that this is a mis-transcription? The other possibility is that John was starting to get a little senile. It would seem that this is the first time in 40 years that John is described as single rather than as a widower. On that note, it would seem that Grace was the love of John's life. ;D In fifty years he never remarried! John may actually have worked in a smithy not as a blacksmith but as a labourer? I suspect the reason for the discrepancies is that in all likelihood, this is the first time in 30 years that John had to supply the census information himself. Every other census from 1861 onwards, John was living with one of his sisters, and it was probably these sisters who supplied the census information.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2008 2:15:37 GMT -5
Hello Gandolf In fact it is clearly Zennor on the original. I think that you are a brave person to make the above assumptions. ;D I have a gut feeling that you have certainly found the correct John based on the age and the residence but I cannot support your reasons for the discrepancies based on the absence of any substantive facts. Lannanta
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Post by gandolf on Dec 6, 2008 4:45:36 GMT -5
Lannanta, not so much assumptions as theories In reality at the moment I can no more explain the discrepancies than you. Just using the normal approach of taking what are the facts (or at least seem to be the facts) and wondering aloud as to possible explanations for apparent discrepancies. However it is a fact that for much of his life John lived with one or the other of his sisters and their families. It is therefore quite conceivable that as a result he was not the informant on those censuses since he was not the head of household (or married to the head ) For all we know, John may well have considered himself to be a blacksmith for all of his life, but for some reason was not recorded that way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2008 4:55:09 GMT -5
Hi Gandolf No argument from me my friend. I constantly wish that Dr Who would bring his telephone box to my house and whisk me back in time for a look Lannanta
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Post by gandolf on Dec 6, 2008 7:02:20 GMT -5
I have been wishing for a time machine for many years - but will happily settle for the Tardis! ;D The good doctor's ability to move through time will do quite nicely. As I am sure you also do, I have a number of ancestors who I would desperately love to dig up and shake (or shout at!) to get them to explain some outstanding questions about them and their families.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 6, 2008 8:49:14 GMT -5
How about working from your comment that it had not been John himself answering the Census questions in previous years and then consider that he is now boarding/lodging with someone other than his family. If William or Mary Hall were dealing with the enumerator they may simply not have known that John had been married. In fact, there may have been a lot of things they did not know about John and hence the discrepancies from previous years. Anyway - it certainly appears to be the right man. Have had another email from Diane Donohue and she is going to continue searching for the information we require on Margaret, Israel and Wilmot Ann QUICK. She will also try to track down the burial details for William and Margaret for us. Will let you know should anything positive come back. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 22, 2009 5:15:39 GMT -5
Lannanta - looks like you have a bit of reading to catch up on! This is the thread I started a long time back in which I started discussing that bloke on Somerset. Read and enjoy and then let's go from there. CT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 14:38:43 GMT -5
CT
I sort of remembered that discussion but we seem to have left that particular William out at the end. I think we found spaces for the Phillack pair and for the husband of Margaret Polmear but the Somerset man fell out of our reckoning. Still keen on the son of John and Joanna.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 22, 2009 21:08:59 GMT -5
As I see it working from entries in my database and also hoping that we have not missed anyone through missing PR entries there are only two possibilities left. William bp. 21st July 1792 Lelant son of Andrew and Ann QUICK 'from St Ives' William bp. 23rd October 1792 St Ives son of John and Johanna QUICK Looking at my database again I would say that we have a starting line-up of seven candidates - i.e. William QUICKs who were born in the period 1788-1792. Earlier than that we have 1779 and later we move to 1796 so allowing for a year or two discrepancy at Census time we can start with the seven. So let's work on a process of elimination firstly and then weigh up the pros and cons and see where we end up. 1788 St Ives s/o Richard and Jane - now confirmed died 1855 'of Trevalgan'. 1789 Towednack s/o William and Wilmot - Census and other data confirms him as married Ann DUNSTONE and died Phillack 1865. 1789 St Ives s/o Andrew and Ann - buried Lelant 1790. 1789 Towednack s/o William and Elizabeth - our 'bailiff/innkeeper' now confirmed husband of Margaret POLMEAR. 1790 St Ives s/o James and Ann (nee Tonkyn) - work has confirmed he must have been the brother of Edward and Richard at Paul and husband of the widowed Alice LANYON - buried at Paul in 1865. 1792 Lelant s/o Andrew and Ann 'from St Ives' - 1792 St Ives s/o John and Johanna - ?? So these last two are the only candidates we have. I can see two things that need to be done to help sort this problem out. 1. Follow-up on the family of Andrew and Ann and see what more we can find about them. 2. Identify the William buried at St Ives 13th August 1799. At the moment this 1799 burial is the only one I can see in your spreadhseet that might be one of these two although I do notice a burial for a William in 1824 whose birth is projected at about 1797. Don't seem to have a baptism for this bloke so who the heck is he??? Moving on to our man at Somerset. In 1841 he had three children with him - Henry (10), Mary (5) and Joanna (2). In 1851 there is William (28) and Joanna (12) so at the moment the family looks like this:- William born St Ives c. 1791 Ann born St Georges, Lancs. c. 1800 William born St Georges, Lancs. c. 1822 Henry born c. 1830 Mary born c. 1835 Joanna born Portbury, Somerset c. 1838 Clearly room for more children whose names might prove useful so we need to find them if possible. Marriage probably occurred about 1820/21. At the moment I would place favouritism on him being the son of John and Johanna as you suggest. He did have a daughter named Joanna although quite late and there was an elder daughter Mary whilst wife was named Ann. So Joanna at this stage is inconclusive. That's the situation as I see it right now so let's see what more can be found about this little lot. CT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 21:21:02 GMT -5
CT Extremely well put and all logical to me. Will start on looking at the required people. Lannanta
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