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Post by Mal on Nov 24, 2008 18:37:13 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I have just acquired a copy of The Lives and Times of a Cornish Family, by Kevin Tonkin. I bought the PDF version on line so it is much easier to search and cheaper too, sorry Kevin but times are hard. Anyway, in the hope that I may be able to return some of the many favours that people here have done me I am willing to look up any Tonkin information required. The document is very interesting and a wonderful example of a genealogical record. The information is not exhaustive as Kevin Tonkin himself admits, it just ain't possible to get every record- on the other hand I certainly have found a few Tonkin connections with my lot. So if you have TONKIN in your tree let me know. Malcolm PS If you want to download the PDF for yourself, www.lulu.com You have to create an account and then you can either buy the book , as with Amazon etc, or buy the download. Watch out if you go for the download as it is a document with photos etc of 225 odd pages so it took me 10 minutes or so to download.
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Post by thenewk21 on Sept 29, 2009 18:50:14 GMT -5
I am trying to get more detail on a Thomas TONKIN who married a Margaret HATTAM on 20 Oct 1812 in St Just in Penwith. Need his parents, birth date etc. I have some details on their 11 children, but it is a bit scant. Any help would be appreciated. Regards Phillip Christie
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Post by white on Sept 30, 2009 7:46:02 GMT -5
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Post by Mal on Sept 30, 2009 16:38:26 GMT -5
Have just seen this message... will look into it. Since posting this message back a year ago I have studied the book- a worthy effort indeed but there are some "issues", and the author freely admits that some things may be inaccurate. Nevertheless, I'll get back to you tomorrow on this one....
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Post by Mal on Oct 1, 2009 8:36:00 GMT -5
Right I have a snoop around for Tonkin-Hattam and have mixed findings....
According to the Hattam family site:- Thomas Tonkin born about 1790 St Just in Penwith, Cornwall. Marriage Margaret Hattam - ý[View Family ý(F516)ýý] 20 October 1812 ý(Age 22)ý St Just in Penwith, Cornwall. Source: Parish Register - St Just in Penwith
However IGI and the Hattam site also note the following, same date, same place- 20 Oct 1812 Thomas Tonkin & Margaret Casley Okay, presuming we have the right one. Children:- 1813 ýSt Just in Penwith, Son: Thomas Tonkin 1815 ýSt Just in Penwith, Daughter: Mary Tonkin 1817 ýSt Just in Penwith, Daughter: Jane Tonkin 1819 ýSt Just in Penwith, Son: John Tonkin 1821 ýSt Just in Penwith, Son: Henry Tonkin 1823 ýSt Just in Penwith, Daughter: Elizabeth Tonkin 1825 ýSt Just in Penwith, Daughter: Grace Tonkin 1827 ýSt Just in Penwith, Son: William Tonkin 1830 ýSt Just in Penwith, Son: Uriah Tonkin 1832 ýSt Just in Penwith, Son: Richard Tonkin
Thomas Tonkin was a tin miner and lived at Nanjulian, he is most probably the Thomas Tonkin who dies 13th April 1850 aged 62, making him born about 1788/9
For 1788 there is a Thomas Tonkin baptised the son of Thomas Tonkin and Jane (note he also has a daughter Jane and his first son is Thomas too). Date:- 3 November 1788.
This would most likely make Thomas the son of Thomas Tonkin and Jane Tresise who were married at St Just in Penwith, 5th Nov 1787.
Going further back... although it starts to get tricky at his point, I reckon that this Thomas was the Thomas Tonkin baptised at St Just on the 7th Aug 1763 to William Tonkin and Phillis Williams- married at St Just 24 November 1752.
As for William Tonkin, it starts to get tricky, but at St Just there is a William Tonkin baptised 6 July of 1723 to William Tonkin.
PLEASE NOTE- at that point there are also other candidates for the respective parentages, I also have two, possibly three lines of Tonkins from the 17th and early 18th centuries and it's a nightmare trying to sort them out, especially because they are concentrated in a relatively small area and are all called William, John, Thomas or the occasional Nowell and Edward!!! It doesn't help that the early parish records did not always record the mother's name or the maiden name of the wife either.
Anyway, please do check up- it looks good bar that one niggling thing about Margaret Hattam/Casley. I don't know anything about the Hattam family really so you might be able to clear it up.
Hope that helps.... m
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Post by tonymitch on Oct 1, 2009 18:09:46 GMT -5
Malcolm....I have a bit of a puzzle concerning 'Tonkin' and 'Mitchell'. I'm frantically looking for a link, somewhere around the 1830's and including the 1841 census between farming Mitchells and Tonkins and shoemakers Mitchell and Tonkins. It all concerns a field in St Buryan, a man named Ralph, Thomas Tonkins, James Tonkins and possibly a Simon Mitchell. (This sure beats Cluedo!) In the 1841 census I have my Mitchell family nicely tucked up at Boscarne Vean and they are agricultural labourers. The rest seem to be in Boscarn itself and with the exception of Samuel. to be farmers. I was told that Samuel (22 years old at the time of the 1841 census) learned his trade as shoemaker from ..."Thomas Tonkin or his son James both of which were shoemakers at Trevescan. The Tonkins were known to the family through leasing land from Samuel's father James Mitchell at Bosfranken..."Now, I have a copy of the 1844 tithe map for St Buryan showing one field which I believe the Mitchells farmed and possibly owned called "Park Drea". I also find from the will of a Ralph Mitchell dated 1833 that he gives to his son John ..."All that part of my freehold Estates called Borah situated in the parish of St Buryan...that is to say all those fields or closes of land called Park Drea....and.... Tonkins Field."So, somewhere between 1833 and 1844 Park Drea went from Ralph Mitchell, to whom I have no link as yet, and someone in the Mitchell clan, possibly Simon (b1808), but I also understand that the Tonkins leased land from James Mitchell, Simon’s elder brother.
Any record of this….any record of a link to Ralph Mitchell…any record of the shoemakers of Trevescan?
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Post by londoner on Oct 2, 2009 3:21:05 GMT -5
Malcolm - your Tonkins are as bad as my Waliis family (Robert/John/or Thomas)! Can you identify from the book the family of Peter Tonkin b c1778 St Buryan? he m Catherine Wallis in 1813 and had family at Sennen. (more cousin marriages in their family)
Tony: another Mitchell Tonkin connection - at St Levan : Mother and guardian of Mary and Nanny Humphries Mitchell—Enoch Tonkin—Tenement in Raftra (1838 Tithe App.)
Not sure which Enoch (there were several! one of them married my gtgtgrandma's sister Honor) Mary & Nanny (Ann) were both bap. at St Levan, the daughters of William Mitchell & Mary (probably Humphreys) but I cant immediately find the marriage.
There were also Tonkins at Buryan so the field may have had its name for a long time!
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Post by Mal on Oct 2, 2009 7:24:52 GMT -5
---- Right chaps, I will have a look into it but it's not going to be easy..... This is more like a job for Mr Poirot! The difficulty with the Tonkin family is that there were a lot of 'em!!!!
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Post by Mal on Oct 5, 2009 7:08:26 GMT -5
Update... so far I have been unable to find anything conclusive. I'm still working on it though. We have the following problems however:- 1. Neither Tonkin/Tonken nor Mitchell is all that uncommon in the area and the families have been around for hundreds of years... there's a lot of them! 2. Toknins with an "s" may well be a different surname, equibalent to Tom(p)kins- need to keep that variable in mind. Will keep checking as I have a lot of Tonkin material so there's a fair bit to go through.
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Post by newlyn on Nov 7, 2009 17:20:47 GMT -5
Peter Tonkin married Catherine Wallis 3.4.1813 Sennen
Possible children: Mary b.10.4.1814 Thomas b.5.9.1815 Catherine b.30.11.1817 Elisabeth b. 19.3.1820 John b.15.6.1823 Jane b.10.7.1825 Honor b.21.1.1827 Selina b.14.2.1830 James Wallis b.12.7.1834
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Post by Sarch on Nov 8, 2009 6:59:31 GMT -5
Hi Malcolm I have Peter Tonkin married Catherine Wallis 3.4.1813 Sennenin my Wallis Tree but I do not have any parents for him - do you know who they were? I have 11 children for Peter and Catherine Descendants of Peter Tonkin 1 Peter Tonkin b: 1778 d: abt 1839 .. +Catherine Wallis b: Abt. 1791 in St Buryan, Cornwall d: abt 1834 ..... 2 Mary Tonkin b: abt 1814 d: abt 1867 ......... +James Trahair b: abt 1806 d: abt 1869 ..... 2 Thomas Tonkin b: abt 1815 d: abt 1887 ......... +Mary Humphrys b:abt 1816 d: abt 1901 ..... 2 Catherine Tonkin b: abt 1817 ......... +Richard Leggo b: 1802 d: 1871 ..... 2 Elizabeth Tonkin b: abt 1820 ..... 2 John Tonkin b: abt 1821 ......... +Ester Michell b: abt 1826 ..... 2 James Tonkin b: abt 1823 d: abt 1824 ..... 2 Jane Tonkin b: abt 1825 d:abt 1908 ......... +Charles Orlando Orchard b: abt 1829 ..... 2 Selina Tonkin b: abt 1830 d: 1835 ..... 2 Honor Tonkin b: abt 1831 ......... +Nicholas Oats b: abt 1824 d: 1878 ..... 2 Martha Tonkin b: abt 1833 ..... 2 James Wallis Tonkin b: abt 1834 Regards Sarch
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Post by Mal on Nov 8, 2009 7:25:03 GMT -5
Let me see.... My information on the Tonkin family tends to centre around the year 1700 +/- 50 years, but I have had a look and noticed the following things. We have Peter Tonkin as witness to the marriage of Elizabeth Tonkin and James Hosking, St Buryan, 1 Jul 1815. This could well be a sister. What I can't find is a baptism for Peter 1778! We have a 1789 baptism at Madron of a Peter Tonkin son of Ralph, but that doesn't fit with the later burial of "our" Peter Tonkin at Sennen, 1839, aged 61 which would place his date of birth around 1778. We also don't find any children named Ralph (after the father), it appears that there was a Ralph-Peter tradition in one branch of the Tonkin family. I think we can rule out this branch for now. However, at Ludgvan in 1777 we have the marriage of Peter Tonkin, baker of Paul, and Mary Band- presumably of Ludgvan. The first daughter of "our" Peter Tonkin is indeed Mary. This might be a possible link. Our missing Peter being born in 1778 a nice year after the marriage of a Peter Tonkin and Mary Band. Sennen, Paul, St Buryan etc are not so far as to rule each other out and if Peter Tonkin the baker was from Paul anyway he may have married his bride in her parish and then returned to his area to set up shop. There aren't many entries at all for Tonkin in Ludgvan, if you look at the ones that are they seem to come from St Buryan anyway. More importantly I don't find any children baptised at Ludgvan to the Tonkin family. Does any of that suggest anything to you? M
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Post by newlyn on Nov 8, 2009 7:45:35 GMT -5
There was a Peter Tonkin born 9.8.1778 St Buryan. Possible parents James Tonkin and Joan Dennis married 19.12.1772 St Buryan
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Post by Mal on Nov 8, 2009 8:53:28 GMT -5
Well spotted Newlyn, , I didn't get that one coming up on the OPC, I think in that case we may be fairly safe in looking at James Tonkin and Joan Dennis as being the possible parents. Like I have said before, the difficulty with the Tonkins is sorting them all out! They were a large clan and they liked to use the same names!!! I think the St Buryan and Sennen families are connected.
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Post by weemalla on Jan 1, 2010 2:05:48 GMT -5
I'm interested in an Enoch Tonkin. I know that his son james was born1805 and he died in Aust in 1865 after marrying Jemima Stephensin 1834 in London. His death cert says parents are Enoch & Elizabeth. Dont have any more but would be interested for any info on Enoch, his siblings, parents etc
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