Richard Quick and Grace Downing

[gandolf]

Can't help with the panadol, sorry!

I'm off to bed, and I just know I will have nightmares about Quicks and Rosewalls, & Eddys & Curnows & .....
;D

[trencrom]

Nov 23, 2008 10:11:30 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

Grace Bennatts DOWNING was born 11th October 1818 and baptised 25th October 1818 St Ives Wesleyan according to IGI.

Parents - Henry DOWNING m. Ann Bennatts PICKERSGILL 21st July 1817 at St Ives.

I cannot find this marriage in Familysearch but I believe Ann's maiden name was Bennatts. This is because Thomas Bennatts of St Ives mentions a grandchild Grace Downing in his will of 1824. Thomas had a daughter Ann christened in 1780.
Thomas' wife was Grace, nee Osborne and this will be where the Osborne middle name in later generations was derived from.
Lannanta if you are descended from Richard Quick and Grace Downing I guess that makes you a sixth cousin or thereabouts to Cornishmaid! The Osborne surname was used as a middle name down her line as well.

Trencrom

[Cornish Terrier]

Here is the baptism from Familysearch:-

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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GRACE DOWNING Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 11 OCT 1818

Christening: 25 OCT 1818 Wesleyan, Saint Ives, Cornwall, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: HENRY DOWNING Family
Mother: ANN BENNETT


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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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C065401 1818 - 1837 0590674 (RG4 438) Film 883931 Film


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The marriage of Henry and Ann Bennatts PICKERSGILL is in the Marriage Index produced by CFHS.

The baptism for Ann can be found in the CFHS Baptism Index or Familysearch - recorded as Nancy Bennatts PICKERSGILL.

The marriage of George PICKERSGILL and Jane BENNATTS is from Phillimore.

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So now we have yet another dilemma to deal with.

I can certainly see your point and tend to agree with what you say.

But the information as I have diplayed 'seems' to be fairly conclusive.

AHA - I think, to a degree, we are both correct!

The parents of Nancy Bennatts PICKERSGILL were George PICKERSGILL and Jane BENNATTS and they married at St Ives in 1798.

Yes - Thomas and Grace certainly had a daughter Ann baptised in 1780.

BUT they also had a daughter JANE baptised in 1778 and I think you might find that it was this Jane who married George PICKERSGILL.

Hence 'grandaughter' Grace DOWNING would, in fact, have been a great-grandaughter of Thomas BENNATTS.

Thus we are both correct! ;D

NOW - whilst on the subject of Thomas BENNATTS.

You mentioned his Will of 1824 - do I take it that you have a copy of this Will?

If so then I would be most interested in a copy of it - or at least a transcript if possible.

An abstract of the main points with all the vital details may even suffice.

This is a family I was looking at a few years ago and got myself a little confused with it.

I currently show a list of 15 children which may, or may not, be correct.

If you can help with this I would be very happy. -

I think my initial foray into the family may have been through daughter Charity who married Matthew BERRYMAN at St Ives in 1809.

I will now update my database to include the link of Jane PICKERSGILL as a daughter of Thomas and Grace BENNATTS.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

As a follow up to my last it would now seem that Grace OSBORNE was baptised at St Ives 7th February 1742 d/o Robert and Grace OSBORN of Zennor.

Robert OSBORN of Towednack m. Grace DONITHORNE of Gulval 6th January 1738 at St Ives

I have now found a burial for Grace - 22nd June 1817 at St Ives age 75

Many more things are now beginning to fall into place.

What I need now is to determine parentage for Robert OSBORN and Grace DONITHORNE.

[trencrom]

Dec 29, 2008 8:06:25 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

The parents of Nancy Bennatts PICKERSGILL were George PICKERSGILL and Jane BENNATTS and they married at St Ives in 1798.

Yes - Thomas and Grace certainly had a daughter Ann baptised in 1780.

BUT they also had a daughter JANE baptised in 1778 and I think you might find that it was this Jane who married George PICKERSGILL.

Hence 'grandaughter' Grace DOWNING would, in fact, have been a great-grandaughter of Thomas BENNATTS.

Thus we are both correct! ;D

NOW - whilst on the subject of Thomas BENNATTS.

You mentioned his Will of 1824 - do I take it that you have a copy of this Will?

If so then I would be most interested in a copy of it - or at least a transcript if possible.

An abstract of the main points with all the vital details may even suffice.

This is a family I was looking at a few years ago and got myself a little confused with it.

I currently show a list of 15 children which may, or may not, be correct.

If you can help with this I would be very happy. -

I think my initial foray into the family may have been through daughter Charity who married Matthew BERRYMAN at St Ives in 1809.

CT

AHA! I see what's happened here.

I had Jane's husband as an Edward James and that would have come from the will of her father, but I had not found the marriage date. The reason being is that Jane married firstly to George Pickersgill on 14 Oct 1798 as you say, and then remarried (as Jane Pickersgill) to Edward James on 3 Oct 1808 at St Ives. According to Familysearch they had as children Elizabeth and Grace Osborn, both christened 2/2/1812. There is also a James Bennett James christened at Paul in 1809 who could be a child to this couple as well.

I have researched Thomas and Grace's family and their antecedents over the last 15 years so should be able to answer any further questions about them that you may have. However I have posted all of this while away on holidays so I can't supply an abstract of the father's will at present. What I can tell you now is that yes there were 15 children, the last one being christened in 1796.

Dec 29, 2008 9:14:47 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

As a follow up to my last it would now seem that Grace OSBORNE was baptised at St Ives 7th February 1742 d/o Robert and Grace OSBORN of Zennor.

Robert OSBORN of Towednack m. Grace DONITHORNE of Gulval 6th January 1738 at St Ives

I have now found a burial for Grace - 22nd June 1817 at St Ives age 75

Many more things are now beginning to fall into place.

What I need now is to determine parentage for Robert OSBORN and Grace DONITHORNE.

I too concluded that Thomas' wife was the Grace who was buried in 1817 and that she was also the daughter of Robert Osborne by Grace Donithorne.
Grace Donithorne I have as the Grace who was christened in 1713 at Gulval and whose father was William Donithorne.
Robert I have as the Robert who was christened at Zennor in 1717 and whose parents were John and Jane Osborne. Jane in turn was the daughter of Thomas Thomas of Zennor.

Trencrom

[trencrom]

Moving the subject back to the Quicks, I see there was some earlier mention here about an Andrew Quick who married a Mary Osborn in the early 1700s. Did they have any children, and do we know anything about Mary's family?

Trencrom

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks for helping clear that up Trencrom and you have saved me a little work at the same time.

There was one last thing I forgot to do last night and was about to check on it when I read your latest.

I had forgotten to check for a burial for Jane PICKERSGILL.

But you have now shown that I would not have found her under that name!

So it is now a case of following up on your latest input to tidy that end of things up.

Okay - 15 children is agreed and that makes me more comfortable about the family.

With that large gap between the last two I was suspicious of a second family of Thomas and Grace BENNATTS even though circumstantial evidence suggested otherwise.

Now - as far as the details of the Will of Thomas BENNATTS are concerned I can certainly wait until after you have enjoyed the Christmas and New Year holidays.

Finally, I think, is your query about Andrew QUICK and Mary OSBORN.

The details as I have them are as follows:-

Andrew QUICK bp. 20th October 1689 Towednack s/o Matthew and Sarah (nee MAJOR) QUICK

Andrew QUICK of Towednack married Mary OSBORN at Zennor 6th February1721

Andrew buried 12th April 1748 at St Ives.

Will of Andrew QUICK written 7th January 1747
Will of Andrew QUICK proved 6th October 1748

I currently know nothing at all about Mary OSBORN but the marriage having occurred at Zennor suggests she probably belongs there.

Children:-

Andrew bp. 5th March 1723 St Ives
m. Honor THOMAS 11th June 1745 at Lelant

Mary bp. 20th March 1725 St Ives

John bp. 16th March 1728 St Ives

Ann bp. 1730 St Ives

James bp. 13th April 1735 St Ives

All details are currently from IGI so I have a bit of work to do on this family.

Adding to some cnfusion is the fact there was also a family of Andrew and Margaret QUICK around at the same time.

I would need to search out details but I think there is at least one child involved between the two couples where the mother was recorded as 'Marg.' and I believe it should be 'Mary'.

Not absolutely sure without checking.

And there is also the problem of no marriage for Andrew and Margaret having yet been found.

Hmm - it might actually be son Andrew who is the problem and that mother was recorded as 'Mary'where it may possibly have been 'Marg.'

I have a note against his name about this dilemma.

Re: Andrew and Margaret

This particular Andrew left a Will written 21st January 1742 and proved 22nd November 1745 in which he names wife Margaret, sons Andrew, John, William and Thomas and also a holding of Chyangweal.

This is where the problem of the son comes in as I am yet to find a baptism for Andrew s/o Andrew and Margaret.

I believe this last Andrew to have been the son of Anthony QUICK.

Part of my plan with the QUICK family is to revisit most of the earlier families and see if there is any new information that I might have found that could influence the configuration of those families.

I am reasonably sure of most but there are some, such as these two of Andrew/Mary and Andrew/Margaret, that are of concern.

Would appreciate anything you might have to offer that might help us sort this out.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Trencrom - I have now checked the marriage of Jane PICKERSGILL, widow.

Edward JAMES was also widowed at the time and is recorded in Phillimore as 'of Paul'.
The marriage was also 'by Licence' which, in this case, suggests that I might find previous family for Edward at Paul.

It also suggests that James Bennett JAMES does belong to 'our' family.

I will pursue that and see what I can find.

[Cornish Terrier]

Trencrom - before pursuing the JAMES connection I thought I would check on the PICKERSGILL side for a little more background.

Interesting to note there are only 12 recorded baptisms for this name in Cornwall in IGI.

Equally there are only three recorded marriages in IGI.

There is, however, at least one missing from IGI:-

Samuel PICKERSGILL m. Ann HUSBAND by Licence 6th May 1778 at St Ives

The baptisms can actually be cut to 10 given there are two for George PICKERSGILL of 'abt 1773' reflecting his 1798 marriage.

Of the 10 there is one later at Ruan Minor and two at Grade and I would suggest the possibility that they belong to the St Ives group.

At St Ives we have three children for George and Jane - Nancy Bennatts, Samuel and Sarah.

The other four are most interesting and suggest (to me) an error similar to one I found in another family only days ago.

Referring to the above marriage of Samuel to Ann HUSBAND in 1778:-

Ann d/o WM and Ann 25th April 1779
George s/o WM and Ann 4th June 1780
Sarah d/o SAMUEL and Ann 21st October 1781
Samuel s/o SAMUEL and Ann 18th July 1784

I would suggest that 'WM' is the error and that all four children belong to Samuel - especially given that George named his only son Samuel and also named a daughter Sarah.

That is how I will record events with the note about the father highlighted.

So it is off now to track down the 'Paul' connection.

[Cornish Terrier]

Re the JAMES connection.

It would appear that Edward JAMES was first married to Delia WOODCOCK at Paul 17th July 1799

There were five children from that marriage:-

Edward bp. 25 May 1800
Thomas Woodcock bp. 25 Apr 1802
Joyce bp. 13 May 1804
Robert bp. 13 May 1804
Delia bp. 04 Jan 1807

There is a several year gap prior to 1800 for any baptisms to Edward JAMES.

There is only one child to an Edward and Jane and that is James Bennett JAMES in 1809.

Other than that we have the family of Edward and Mary JAMES baptising children from 1809 onwards.

I think it is fairly safe to say that James Bennett JAMES belongs to the subject of this discussion.

[trencrom]

Dec 30, 2008 5:10:24 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

Okay - 15 children is agreed and that makes me more comfortable about the family.

With that large gap between the last two I was suspicious of a second family of Thomas and Grace BENNATTS even though circumstantial evidence suggested otherwise.

CT

You're right, there is an unusual gap there. I can verify though that the last child is part of the same family, as I clearly recall seeing that he is mentioned more than once by name -- i.e. by his FULL name -- in his father''s will.

Thanks for the details on Andrew Quick and his family.

If Phillimore says that Edward James was originally from Paul , then I think we can take it as almost certain that James Bennetts James was his child by his new wife Jane, nee Bennetts. They must have therefore gone back there after his marriage before returning to St Ives in the next three years. It was not uncommon for members of this Bennatts family to pass down not only the "Osborne" surname as a middle name for their children or grandchildren but also the "Bennatts" name as well, so Edward and Jane's naming their firstborn as James BENNATTS James is consistent with this practice.

Trencrom

[Cornish Terrier]

All sounds plausible to me and that makes another link on my database tidied up.

I will try and return to this and see what more I can find on the rest of the family but it may have to wait until a few other things are sorted out.

Starting to get multitudes of things happening all at once - yet again!

[yvonnebennett]

Ref the family of Richard Quick and Grace Osborne, I am new to posting on this site so the format may be all wrong, apologies. Their daughter was Grace Osborne Bennetts Quick, my husband's great grandmother (who he remembers as a very old lady) I spent some time at the Cornish Family History centre and also visited the cemetery at St Ives and the old newspapers at Redruth.
You will find Grace and her younger sister Mary living together in St Ives 1871 Census. Mary called grace Osborne all her life (ref her obituary) The family were never Church of England. I have been unable to find what their denomination was .
Onto Georgina and John Eccles brown. Their son died as a young man ( he was a rather inferior artist) and my hisband's Uncle was named Henry Downing after him so he was left money in Georgina's will. Mary, her sister, was left her cottage by Georgina and Mary in turn passed it on to her niece Georgina (daughter of Grace Osborne) My husband's cousin can remeber being taken by train with his Aunt geogina to collect the rent.

The John Bennett mentioned was Captain John Bennet of Connah's Quay, Flintshire and later of Fowey Cornwall. 1891 Census has Grace nee Quick living in Connah's Quay but calling herself Sian!

Ricard Quick (husband of Grace Osborne) sailed from Bristol in August 1848 and arrived in New York in October of that year. he moved to Grant County, Wisconsin to work as a miner (Cornish Strays CFHS) he made out a certificate of Intenet to become an American Citiozen in 1849. However Grace and the older children must have joined him ther as Henry was born there in 1850. However georgina was born back in Cornwall in 1852. 1861 census they are all in St Ives but then Richard took his sons, John and henry back to the Sates. In the US 1870 Census he is living with John in New jersey but by 1871 he was back in St Ives with his wife and family.
Yvonne Bennett

[Cornish Terrier]

Hello Yvonne and welcome to Penwith Genealogy.

Don't worry about the format - main thing is to get your message across.

Thankyou for the information which is most interesting and proves my theory about the 1870 Census.

Now we still have to work out who the Robert and Paul Quick were who were in the same household as Richard and John.

I will have to read through your note a couple of times to work everything out properly but it may take a while with all the other stuff I have to do.

CT

[Deleted]

Hello

In this thread it mentions four children being baptised at Bodmin on 12th July 1857.  Richard, born Bodmin, Mary born St Minver, Georgiana born St Ives, and also Henry Downing Quick, born 15 Aug 1850 at Potosi, South America. This birthplace differs from that of Wisconsin which is referred to in other posts.

Karlan