Can anyone tell me if Catherine (aka Caroline c1850 St Ives) wife of John Humphreys (c1841) of Mousehole was a Noall or Penberthy or possible even Payne - I cant find their marriage but one of their children was John Payne W Humphreys (1876) Richard Noall Humphreys(1881) and another Jane Penberthy N Humphreys (1883) Their first child was William Arnold b 1867. Daughter Ella Rose married Michael Welch Noall in 1897
Last Edit: Nov 20, 2008 12:43:32 GMT -5 by londoner
Panic not! I just realised there was a huge gap between William Arnold and Ella Rose - indicating second marriage - - then found John in 1871 married to Susannah Beadon Wright ( m 1865) Susannah died in 1878. John m Caroline Major in 1880 - nice to solve my own problem! with a little help from you of course ;D
Last Edit: Nov 21, 2008 4:42:17 GMT -5 by londoner
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 21, 2008 4:54:13 GMT -5
I think what I have found so far proves that the wife of John Humphreys was not Caroline Matilda Noall given she was still unmarried in 1871 and there is a marriage for her in 1873 to John MAJOR or Richard CARBINES.
But it is also apparent that John's wife was connected to the marriage of Richard NOALL and Caroline Matilda JENKYN and his second marriage to Jane PENBERTHY.
That leads me to think there must be a daughter Catherine in there somewhere.
But if the first child was born in 1867 then we are looking at a young bride.
Another Question - have you found birth/baptism records for any of the children?
I have just had a look at FreeBMD using only the search term 'William Arnold', 'Arnold' and 'William A' for the years 1865-1869 inclusive and can find no sign of the first child.
The 1881 Census records that all children present had been born at Mousehole yet I can find no baptisms for them at Paul, Newlyn St Peter or Newlyn Wesleyan.
And there is something else that I am wondering - could John HUMPHRYE's wife have been an illegitimate daughter of Richard NOALL?
No search has so far found any evidence of this and I cannot find her in the Census.
BUT TRY THIS ONE ON FOR SIZE:-
Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HARRIS Elizabeth Penzance 5c 368 Humphries John Penzance 5c 368 Major Caroline Penzance 5c 368 STEVENS James Penzance 5c 368
That LOOKS extremely interesting to me! ;D
Especially as the names Richard Noall and Jane Penberthy do not appear until 1881!
That would mean that the marriage of Caroline Matilda NOALL to John MAJOR would be correct and that Caroline was widowed.
Also means that John HUMPHRIES was probably first married to someone named Catherine and that he, too, was widowed before 1880.
Now to see if an earlier marriage can be found for John HUMPHREYS (var.)