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Post by Sssence on Nov 13, 2008 0:41:02 GMT -5
Hi folks Have been wading through my Matthews family. I have baptism dates for most of them ... others just years mostly. Charles Matthews b c.1738 died St Hilary 1828 married Elizabeth Squire 1767 St Hilary children Charles 1769 died 1823 married Jane Gilbart Stephen 1770 James 1773 died 1827 married Catherine Coombe Grace 1775 Elizabeth 1782 James and Catherine married 1801 St Hilary with James said to be of St Erth Elizabeth 1803 Samuel 1804 Josiah 1807 Edward 1809 died 1855 Stephen 1812 Thomas 1814 Selina 1817 Priscilla 1820 Keturah 1824 died 1887 Keturah married 1848 to William King found at least 5 children all of whom seem to have died ? Thomas married Mary King 1837 St Erth nothing further on them Josiah married Elizabeth Vine or Trevena Edward married Susannah Perry 1831 ..know not where ? children George 1832 Edward 1833 died before 1841 Catherine 1834 died 1859 Selina 1835 James 1837 died 1893 Ann 1839 Phillipa 1841 died 1841 Edward 1842 Francis 1843 died 1844 Blanch 1845 died 1846 Grace 1847 died 1848 Susan 1848 Priscilla 1851 Stephen 1853 died 1853 Catherine married John Stevens 1854 and emigrated to Aus about 1857 She died in Victoria Australia 1859. John then returned to Cornwall with 2 sons John and George and married Catherine's sister Ann married John Stevens 1864 their first daughter Catherine 1866 married Alfred Nicholas 1892 their second daughter Susan 1868 married Thomas Murt 1893 they also had William Edward 1870 Robert 1872 Matilda Perry 1874 died 1892 Richard Perry 1876 Selina Matthews 1882 Edward married Grace ? between 1861 and 1865 children Susan 1865 and Mary 1868 ? Susan married James Woodcock 1874 Scilly Isles 5 children That's all I have for the moment working on the rest! Any contributions or corrections welcomed. Thanks Sssence
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 13, 2008 6:28:05 GMT -5
Thomas s/o James Matthews married Mary d/o Henry King 11th November 1837 at St Erth. Mary d/o Henry and Francis KING bp. 2nd September 1814 at St Erth Henry KING, miner of St Hilary, married Frances OTIE 28th September 1806 at St Erth. I know nothing more of Henry KING at the moment. Frances d/o James and Florence (nee BASTARD) OATY bp. 13th June 1784 at St Erth. I can take the OATY (var.) line back a few more generations if you want. Thomas and Mary MATTHEWS had the following childrenLall baptised at St Erth:- Samuel bp. March 1839 Mary bp. 25th August 1840 James Henry bp. 31st December 1841 Thomas bp. 4th December 1844 Elizabeth Frances bp. 22nd November 1846 bu. 31st December 1847 Elizabeth Frances bp. 25th January 1848 I have not yet tried to trace this family forward. And now I know just where Thomas fits in - thankyou for that little piece of information. Will take a longer look at your note a little later. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 13, 2008 9:55:56 GMT -5
An amendment to my last - Samuel MATTHEWS (s/o Thomas and Mary) was baptised 5th May 1839 at St Erth. ** Please let me know what baptisms you are missing and I will see if I can help. At the moment I am unable to locate the place for the marriage of Edward to Susanna PERRY but will keep trying. IGI shows the date as 30th November 1731 so if they have that I would have thought the place of the event would have been available. Have located the burial details for Charles and his sons Charles and James and based on that would suggest the following:- Charles MATTHEW bp. 23rd February 1739 at St Hilary s/o Charles and Margaret Charles MATTHEW married Margaret NOTWELL (feel a bit ordinary myself sometimes ;D) at St Hilary 2nd November 1732 Connections with St Erth go back at least to Charles and Margaret who baptised daughter Margaret there 12th January 1735/6. At some point whilst looking at this I got the suspicion that Charles (the early one) had married twice and so it proved. His first wife, Margaret, was buried at St Hilary 21st January 1743/4 and he then married Rachel COURTIS at St Hilary 5th August 1744. I can find only four children to Charles:- Margaret bp. 12th January 1735/6 at St Erth buried 9th August 1736 at St Hilary. Charles - yours James bp. 9th August 1746 and buried 29th September 1746 at St Hilary James bp. 23rd December 1753 and buried 15th January 1754 at St Hilary. Charles was baptised 10th March 1705/6 at St Hilary s/o Ralph and Jane. Ralph MATTHEW married Jane PHILLIPS 29TH April 1700 at St Hilary. Ralph's first son was named JAMES and first daughter MARGERY and I suspect those were the names of his parents. Elizabeth SQUIRE was baptised 10th August 1746 at St Hilary d/o Stephen and Elizabeth. And Stephen was also married twice. One problem with some of these early St Hilary marriages is that there is no notation when a widow/widower remarries. Now, Elizabeth may be the Elizabeth MATTHEWS buried at St Hilary 30th January 1805 but I cannot tell whether the age was 50 or 60 due to the filmed copy I have being so very dark on the right side of that particular page. I will pursue this family more a little later but had best move on to the next query for a while. Hope this all helps. CT
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Post by Sssence on Nov 14, 2008 8:15:43 GMT -5
Hi
Thanks for all the info ..much appreciated!
Thomas Matthews appears to have died Launceston RD in 1860 Mary and the children are at Stoke Climsland in 1861 census all giving birthplace as St Erth though in 1871 they give other places.
The daughter Mary married John Down 1868 her mother living with them in 1871 The Downs had 3 children Thomas Hy 1869 Mary Elizabeth or Elizabeth Mary 1871 Clara 1873
John Down possible death 1878 age 33
Thomas Henry Down married Annie Amelia Stoke Damerel 1891 and are living Downgate Stoke Climsland in 1891 Census with his mother living with them
Clara Down living with her aunt ? Elizabeth Davis and Tom Davis @ Stoke Damerel 1891
Elizabeth Matthews to Tom Davis Dec 74 East Stonehouse could not find them 1881 ??
Could not identify the Matthews boys yet
All I had time for ... too tired to see!
Sssence
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 14, 2008 12:02:24 GMT -5
I know the feeling. - I reckon I am about to call it quits and head off to bed myself. Been working on a few things but in between trying to sort out the best way to tackle another problem that has been on the back-burner for a while. I will await your views on what I have sent before trying to pursue it further I think. Oh - I must point out that if you are doing much with families at St Hilary be wary if you are using IGI. I discovered yesterday that St Hilary is another Parish where the person submitting the data for inclusion in IGI has already updated the dates to reflect the Gregorian Calendar! Makes it damned hard and confusing. The problem surfaced when I was checking burials against the families I had pieced together. St Hilary Burials (or most of them) are/were available online but baptisms only from 1813. So I used IGI for the baptisms and then the PR Transcripts for the rest and found children being buried before they had been baptised! It was painfully obvious that the conversion had been done so I simply deducted a year off any date from January 1st to March 24th prior to 1753 and everyone was find. Basically - all dates I have supplied should now reflect the original PR entries.
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Post by Sssence on Nov 14, 2008 18:41:57 GMT -5
Hi It just goes to show you constantly have to check all that you find..then check it again. I found Thomas Mathews (one t) at Stoke Climsland in 1851 ..I think! The wife is given as Susan, the children are all exactly the same names and ages as the ones we know belong to Thomas and Mary and the birthplace given as Stoke Climsland. The only time the birthplace for any of them is given as St Erth is 1861. So without prior knowledge they would be impossible to find. There is a Samuel died Mar 57 Launceston RD and the mother Mary possibly Dec 71 age 59 Sticky lot! Sssence
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 15, 2008 3:22:57 GMT -5
Dead Right! - Everything has to be checked.
And quite right about that Census also - you not only have the problem you have outlined but there is also the age-old problem of an Index being produced based on what the Transcriber sees on the written page.
Hence - ST IVES being often indexed (particularly in 1861 I think) as ST NEES
i'm off to work on a couple of other 'sticky lots' for a while now. ;D
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Post by gandolf on Nov 15, 2008 18:15:46 GMT -5
I can add my own example of confusion to this, from the Quick board - thread: Which Elizabeth Quick m. which James Quick. I was looking at a Mary Quick chr. 6 Apr 1810 at St. Ives, daughter of Robert & Elizabeth Quick. Mary had siblings Elizabeth & James who are the subjects of the other thread. On the 1841 census their father Robert appears with the Trevan family. Thomas Trevan's wife is a Mary born about 1810 (bearing in mind rounding on the 1841 census she could have been a little older or younger). However it seemed reasonable that Robert was living with his married daughter. Problem was that I could not find the Trevan family on later censuses. Could not find them as Trevan, or any likely variation including Trevena. I eventually found Thomas & Mary and family on 1851, 1861 and 1871 censuses as Trevorrow. ;D Comparing marriage records and adding the fact that son William appears on the 1871 census as William U Trevorrow, it seems clear that Thomas's wife Mary was actually Mary Uren, born around 1806. Therefore it is clear that Robert Quick was simply boarding with the "Trevan" (i.e. Trevorrow) family in 1841, with no actual relationship to them.
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Post by Sssence on Nov 23, 2008 8:00:30 GMT -5
Hi There is a Grace Matthews buried 6 Aug 1842 St Hilary given as being of Crowan. Any thoughts as to the possibility she is the daughter of Charles Matthews and Elizabeth Squire b 1775 St Hilary ? Can't find a marriage for Grace and this seems the only possibility ? More later Sssence
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 23, 2008 9:09:47 GMT -5
G'day there! My records for St Hilary do not go that far at the moment but I will try and check it out for you. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 23, 2008 9:42:39 GMT -5
I have found the entry on the OPC site and the age recorded for her is a good match for the daughter of Charles and Elizabeth. She should appear in the 1841 Census but I am having one heckuva time locating her after trying numerous different ways. If we could find her in that Census it would give a better idea of whether she is the right one but at the moment I would have to be a little cautious. The problem with the Census is that we have no idea how the name might have been transcribed. I have even tried searching for 'Grace' born Cornwall about 1775 and cannot find her so it may also be that the christian name has been mis-transcribed. Without searching through every entry for Crowan and, perhaps, St Hilary it may be difficult to find her and clarify the situation. Hmmm! - just tried another search using only variations of the surname. Might have found her - Indexed as 'Gran Mathews'. The name is clearly Grace Mathews, age 62! She is a female servant to Joseph STEPHENS, age 55 The place 'looks like' Trevow but could be actually Tresow. Not a huge help except that it would appear she is unmarried so might be your girl. That's about as good as I can do I reckon. CT
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