Hi all... I am new to all this ! and looking for whatever help is available regarding the origins of my Ancestors and their surname. All the above surname variations are in copies of various certificates I have obtained. I am sure that the family was based in and around Crowan and Alexander has been a prominent christian name. The earliest record I have is that of Thomas Bosanchoe who died in 1621 ( think was born in 1588) and he married a lady named Zenobya! I have traced them through various spellings to my gt gt gf Alexander Bosanko born in Crowan in 1872. He moved to the Yorkshire coalfields with his father also Alexander born in 1850, around 1876. For reasons unknown, he adopted the surname Kistell ( thought to have lived with them and maybe a cousin as Alexander b 1817 married Elizabeth Kessell). He was buried in Sharlston, Wakefield (where I was born), in 1951 and Alexander Kistell Bosanko is on his death certificate. Thanks for any help Tony Kistell
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 3, 2008 12:09:03 GMT -5
Alexander Bosanko - perhaps we can start by you helping me?
Before taking a detailed look at your posts I decided to do some preliminary work and see what I had on the name BOSANKO in my database - I have 21 of them.
The main one of interest to me was Eliza BOSANKO who married William Thomas TREWHELLA at Wesley Rock Chapel, Hea in 1928 and all I knew of her was that her father was John Henry BOSANKO.
I have tried to pursue this line and her are the basic details - to the point where I got stuck and frustrated.
John Henry BOSANKO married Annie THOMAS in 1890 in the Penzance R.D.
John Henry was the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Jane (nee OLDS) BOSANKO and was born at St Just in Penwith about 1868.
Thomas was the son of ALEXANDER and Elizabeth BOSANKO and was baptised at St Just in Penwith 9th March 1845.
Alexander's age varies a little in the Census but it appears he was possibly baptised at Crowan rth June 1818 son of John and Jane BOSANKO.
The children of Alexander and Elizabeth are:-
Thomas bp. 9th March 1845 St Just (IGI) William bp. 20th January 1847 St Just (IGI) ALEXANDER born about 1849 St Just (Census records) Annie Lide bp. 31st January 1853 St Just (IGI) Daniel bp. 17th November 1855 Pendeen (of St Just ) - BOSANCE iin PR John bp. 19th November 1855 St Just (IGI) John born about 1860 (1861 Census)
I do not know if this last child was a son of Elizabeth.
In the 1861 Census Alexander's wife is now PHILIPPA.
He now has in his household:-
Andrew EDDY son-in-law, 10, born St Just Eliza EDDY daur-in-law, 8, born St Just
This tells me that Philippa had been previously married and that these last two were her children from that earlier marriage.
In the 1871 Census Alexander and Philippa have the following children with them (all born St Just):-
Eliza EDDY, 18, daur-in-law Daniel BOSANCO, son, 17, tin dresser, St Just James H do., son, 10, miner, St Just Mary P do., daur, 8, St Just Rachel S do., daur, 6, St Just
The second initial of the last two daughters in each case looks like 'P' and 'S' respectively in the Census and James second initial is most definitely an 'H' yet I can find none of them in FreeBMD even by performing a search on christian names only.
I cannot find a marriage for Alexander and Elizabeth. I cannot find a burial for Elizabeth. I cannot find a marriage for Alexander and Philippa. I cannot find a marriage for ?? EDDY to Philippa ??. I cannot find birth/baptism records for the EDDY children. I cannot find the BOSANKO children in FreeBMD.
Given there is an Alexander involved I am hoping you may know something of this family.
Otherwise let's see if we can help you - but some more specific queries would be useful.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 3, 2008 16:22:48 GMT -5
This begins to get more and more interesting. ;D
So in 1851 Ambrose says he was born at Gwennap which might help explain why the IGI entry for his birth and baptism at Madron does not appear in the Madron OPRs.
And yes it would appear that Mary EDDY living next door might be his mother.
Here is someting else I found earlier:-
James EDDY married Mary JEFFERY 10th June 1815 at Paul Witnesses:- Beniman Jeffrey, Ambrose Jeffery
Phills JEFFERY baptised 12th September 1824 at Paul d/o William JEFFERY and Phills (nee RODDA)
William JEFFERY married Phillis RODDA 10th October 1819 at Paul Witnesses:- Benjamin JEFREY, Elias Glasson
And my latest find:-
Mary d/o Benjamin and Mary (nee TREMBATH) JEFFERY bp. 13th October 1793 at Paul
Benjamin JEFFERY, mariner of ST LEVAN married 21st May 1785 at St Just in Penwith Mary TREMBATH
Now let's see what other children Ben and Mary had:-
Benjamin bp. 25th February 1786 St Levan AMBROSE bp. 13th December 1787 St Levan John bp. 8th April 1792 Paul WILLIAM bp. 11th October 1795 Paul Ann bp. 8th October 1797 Paul Richard bp. 26th January 1800 Paul
I should think there may have been a couple more between 1787 and 1792 but they were not at St Levan, Sennen, St Buryan or Madron and not at St Just either.
And this might be Benjamin's burial at Paul:-
2 Nov Benjamin Jeffery of Mousehole aged 66
And that would make him:-
Benjamin s/o Joseph and Mary JEFFERY bp. 15th May 1757 St Buryan
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 4, 2008 1:17:32 GMT -5
Just lost another message through lack of concentration.
Well - here I go again!
Have tried searching the FreeBMD again for a marriage for Alexander and again without success.
Tried searching for Elizabeth KESSELL/KISSELL/KESTLE first with no luck. Then tried March 1844-March 1845 for Alexander and Elizabeth (no surnames) - nothing. Also tried 1843 for just Alexander with again no result.
No name looks even remotely similar.
So have now tried to locate Alexander in the 1841 Census and 'may' have just found him.
From Later Census records we know he was born at Crowan and there are three possibilities:-
bp. 7th January 1816 s/o Alexander and Elizabeth bp. 23rd March 1817 s/o Thomas and Mary bp. 4th June 1818 s/o John and Jane
I think either of the last two could be him and was first favouring the 1818 baptism. But given he seems to have named his first son Thomas then ....
However, here is what I have found in 1841 after a lot of searching and after trying several variations of the name and finally searching on variations of Alexander. Found him using 'Alex' born Cornwall between 1818 and 1828:-
Alexr BESANCOE, 23, miner Johanna do., 30 Grace THOMAS, 12 Joseph do., 9 William do., 6 Edwin do., 4 John BESANCOR, 4 mths
So - is this the same man - he is the only one I can find so it looks like it must be him.
And if it is him then it now appears he may have been a widower when he married Elizabeth.
The way I read this Census family it looks like Alexander has married a widowed Grace THOMAS probably around 1840 and then had a son, John, by her.
What I need to do now is to have a look at 1851 and see if I can find any of this THOMAS family.
But first I will close this note before I lose it!
William KESSELL 22 BACH PLUMBER Penzance father WILLIAM KESSELL GARDENER
ELIZABETH KERKEEL 20 SPINST PENZANCE father JOHN KERKEEL BUTCHER
I cannot find a William Kessell with a wife Elizabeth after this date, In 1901 William of Gulval is listed with wife Mary Ann but I cant fid him in between could this be why there is no marriage of Alex & Elizabeth - just a possiblity