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Post by alfiepanda on Nov 3, 2008 5:15:01 GMT -5
Hi all...
I am new to all this ! and looking for whatever help is available regarding the origins of my Ancestors and their surname. All the above surname variations are in copies of various certificates I have obtained. I am sure that the family was based in and around Crowan and Alexander has been a prominent christian name. The earliest record I have is that of Thomas Bosanchoe who died in 1621 ( think was born in 1588) and he married a lady named Zenobya! I have traced them through various spellings to my gt gt gf Alexander Bosanko born in Crowan in 1872. He moved to the Yorkshire coalfields with his father also Alexander born in 1850, around 1876. For reasons unknown, he adopted the surname Kistell ( thought to have lived with them and maybe a cousin as Alexander b 1817 married Elizabeth Kessell). He was buried in Sharlston, Wakefield (where I was born), in 1951 and Alexander Kistell Bosanko is on his death certificate.
Thanks for any help
Tony Kistell
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Post by alfiepanda on Nov 3, 2008 5:16:56 GMT -5
Sorry all...typo.....surname is BOSANKO !!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 3, 2008 12:09:03 GMT -5
Alexander Bosanko - perhaps we can start by you helping me? Before taking a detailed look at your posts I decided to do some preliminary work and see what I had on the name BOSANKO in my database - I have 21 of them. The main one of interest to me was Eliza BOSANKO who married William Thomas TREWHELLA at Wesley Rock Chapel, Hea in 1928 and all I knew of her was that her father was John Henry BOSANKO. I have tried to pursue this line and her are the basic details - to the point where I got stuck and frustrated.  John Henry BOSANKO married Annie THOMAS in 1890 in the Penzance R.D. John Henry was the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Jane (nee OLDS) BOSANKO and was born at St Just in Penwith about 1868. Thomas was the son of ALEXANDER and Elizabeth BOSANKO and was baptised at St Just in Penwith 9th March 1845. Alexander's age varies a little in the Census but it appears he was possibly baptised at Crowan rth June 1818 son of John and Jane BOSANKO. The children of Alexander and Elizabeth are:- Thomas bp. 9th March 1845 St Just (IGI) William bp. 20th January 1847 St Just (IGI) ALEXANDER born about 1849 St Just (Census records) Annie Lide bp. 31st January 1853 St Just (IGI) Daniel bp. 17th November 1855 Pendeen (of St Just ) - BOSANCE iin PR John bp. 19th November 1855 St Just (IGI) John born about 1860 (1861 Census) I do not know if this last child was a son of Elizabeth.  In the 1861 Census Alexander's wife is now PHILIPPA.  He now has in his household:- Andrew EDDY son-in-law, 10, born St Just Eliza EDDY daur-in-law, 8, born St Just This tells me that Philippa had been previously married and that these last two were her children from that earlier marriage. In the 1871 Census Alexander and Philippa have the following children with them (all born St Just):- Eliza EDDY, 18, daur-in-law Daniel BOSANCO, son, 17, tin dresser, St Just James H do., son, 10, miner, St Just Mary P do., daur, 8, St Just Rachel S do., daur, 6, St Just The second initial of the last two daughters in each case looks like 'P' and 'S' respectively in the Census and James second initial is most definitely an 'H' yet I can find none of them in FreeBMD even by performing a search on christian names only. The frustrations:- I cannot find a marriage for Alexander and Elizabeth. I cannot find a burial for Elizabeth. I cannot find a marriage for Alexander and Philippa. I cannot find a marriage for ?? EDDY to Philippa ??. I cannot find birth/baptism records for the EDDY children. I cannot find the BOSANKO children in FreeBMD. Given there is an Alexander involved I am hoping you may know something of this family.  Otherwise let's see if we can help you - but some more specific queries would be useful. |
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Post by londoner on Nov 3, 2008 13:06:08 GMT -5
two children of Alexander & Phillipa:
Richard Samuel Bosanco bp St Just 17 Jan 1877 age 12
James Williams Bosanko bp St Just 27 Feb 1884
(from Cornwall opc database)
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 3, 2008 14:44:36 GMT -5
Thanks Londoner - that is interesting  and it also means I will need to get the glasses I was recently tested for sooner rather than later. I just had another look at the 1861 Census and, being lazy, searched for Andrew Eddy to get back to the family of Alexander Bosanko. Could not find him.  - So I tried the search using Eliza and found the family okay. On a much closer look it is NOT Andrew but AMBROSE. A search of OPC now produces:- Ambrose s/o Ambrose and Phillis EDDY bp. 4th November 1850 at St Just in Penwith. Ambrose EDDY married Phillis JEFFERY Penzance R.D. 1849 September Qtr Vol 9 Page 251 There is a death in FreeBMD for Ambrose Eddy:- 1853 December Qtr Vol 5c Page 173 Redruth R.D. That must be him. And IGI has this:- Ambrose s/o James and Mary EDDY born 3rd November 1822 and baptised at Madron 20th February 1825 Funny thing - this eveng does not appear in the Madron OPR! And I still cannot find either marriage for Alexander. Armed with this fresh information I just searched FreeBMD for a marriage for Phillis EDDY but there is no match. Regarding those two OPC baptisms - I just had a look at them because I was a little concerned about the second one. I know Alexander was dead before the 1881 Census so the baptism of James Williams Bosanko with no indication of delayed baptism was strange. But I see that it is only his mother, Philippa, who is recorded as a parent. Just found Alexander's burial in the OPC - St Just in Penwith 6th February 1878 age 59 of Church Town. Also just found Elizabeth's burial - St Just in Penwith 25th November 1857 age 38 of Bosorne. Now it seems obvious that the 'Rachel S' in the 1871 Census must have been 'Richard Samuel'. And also - James Williams BOSANKO bp. 1884 s/o Philippa This simply cannot be the widow of Alexander because she was baptised at Paul in 1824 and, therefore, would have been 59 or 60 at the time of this baptism. That will be all for now I think.  |
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Post by londoner on Nov 3, 2008 15:22:58 GMT -5
You beat me to it ;D - I also found the ambrose name which led to:
1851 St Just:
HO107; Piece: 1919; Folio: 326; Page: 26; GSU roll: 221074.
Ambrose Eddy b Gwennap 28
Phillis Eddy b Paul 26
Ambrose Eddy b St Just 1
and next door are :
Mary Eddy b Paul 57
Eliza Eddy b St Just 19 daughter - is this Ambrose's mother?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 3, 2008 16:22:48 GMT -5
This begins to get more and more interesting. ;D So in 1851 Ambrose says he was born at Gwennap which might help explain why the IGI entry for his birth and baptism at Madron does not appear in the Madron OPRs. And yes it would appear that Mary EDDY living next door might be his mother. Here is someting else I found earlier:- James EDDY married Mary JEFFERY 10th June 1815 at Paul Witnesses:- Beniman Jeffrey, Ambrose Jeffery And also:- Phills JEFFERY baptised 12th September 1824 at Paul d/o William JEFFERY and Phills (nee RODDA) William JEFFERY married Phillis RODDA 10th October 1819 at Paul Witnesses:- Benjamin JEFREY, Elias Glasson And my latest find:- Mary d/o Benjamin and Mary (nee TREMBATH) JEFFERY bp. 13th October 1793 at Paul Benjamin JEFFERY, mariner of ST LEVAN married 21st May 1785 at St Just in Penwith Mary TREMBATH ;D ;D Now let's see what other children Ben and Mary had:- Benjamin bp. 25th February 1786 St Levan AMBROSE bp. 13th December 1787 St Levan John bp. 8th April 1792 Paul WILLIAM bp. 11th October 1795 Paul Ann bp. 8th October 1797 Paul Richard bp. 26th January 1800 Paul I should think there may have been a couple more between 1787 and 1792 but they were not at St Levan, Sennen, St Buryan or Madron and not at St Just either. And this might be Benjamin's burial at Paul:- 2 Nov Benjamin Jeffery of Mousehole aged 66 And that would make him:- Benjamin s/o Joseph and Mary JEFFERY bp. 15th May 1757 St Buryan Will try and check some more of this later. CT |
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Post by londoner on Nov 3, 2008 16:40:09 GMT -5
Here's Phillipa in 1891 with son John & family
Alexandra Bosanko 2
Elizabeth Bosanko 30
John Bosanko 30
John H Bosanko 9
Margaretta Bosanko 11
Phillipa Bosanko 59
Teibea J Bosanko 7
Williams Bosanko 5
and in 1881:
Mary P. Bosanko 18
Phillpa Bosanko 49
Richard S. Bosanko 16
James H. Williams Grandson (hence only her name on the baptism)
Just found a claim (from a descendant of Ambrose Eddy) that Elizabeth Bosanko was Elizabeth Kessell
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 4, 2008 0:00:39 GMT -5
Was just having a look at the 1891 Census to see if I could decipher that odd name and was checking recent database updates and had cause to think.
The 1861 Census shows a son John born about 1860.
The 1871 Census has a son James H born about 1860.
In 1891 Philippa is with son John and his wife Elizabeth and family.
I will need to have another look at each Census but - I now reckon that John (1861 Census) and James H (1871 Census) are the same bloke and this will the John in 1891.
In 1880 a John Henry BOSANKO married either Elizabeth Jane BERRYMAN or Elizabeth Jane HARVEY in Penzance R.D.
I also found a burial for another Daniel BOSANKO on the OPC site - Daniel BOSANKO age 1 of Bosorne buried 26th June 1850.
This has to be another son of Alexander and Elizabeth.
The other thing I will do is check that possible KESSELL link and see what comes of it.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 4, 2008 1:17:32 GMT -5
Just lost another message through lack of concentration. Well - here I go again! Have tried searching the FreeBMD again for a marriage for Alexander and again without success. Tried searching for Elizabeth KESSELL/KISSELL/KESTLE first with no luck. Then tried March 1844-March 1845 for Alexander and Elizabeth (no surnames) - nothing. Also tried 1843 for just Alexander with again no result. No name looks even remotely similar.  So have now tried to locate Alexander in the 1841 Census and 'may' have just found him. From Later Census records we know he was born at Crowan and there are three possibilities:- bp. 7th January 1816 s/o Alexander and Elizabeth bp. 23rd March 1817 s/o Thomas and Mary bp. 4th June 1818 s/o John and Jane I think either of the last two could be him and was first favouring the 1818 baptism. But given he seems to have named his first son Thomas then .... However, here is what I have found in 1841 after a lot of searching and after trying several variations of the name and finally searching on variations of Alexander. Found him using 'Alex' born Cornwall between 1818 and 1828:- Pennance, Gwennap Alexr BESANCOE, 23, miner Johanna do., 30 Grace THOMAS, 12 Joseph do., 9 William do., 6 Edwin do., 4 John BESANCOR, 4 mths So - is this the same man - he is the only one I can find so it looks like it must be him. And if it is him then it now appears he may have been a widower when he married Elizabeth. The way I read this Census family it looks like Alexander has married a widowed Grace THOMAS probably around 1840 and then had a son, John, by her. What I need to do now is to have a look at 1851 and see if I can find any of this THOMAS family. But first I will close this note before I lose it! |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 4, 2008 1:41:42 GMT -5
Alexander BESANKO married Joanna THOMAS 1840 March Qtr Vol 9 Page 261 Redruth The indexed entry for Joanna showed the Page as 26[1_] so I viewed the image and it looked like 261 to me so did another search for Redruth March 1840 Vol 9 Page 261 and achieved the above result. But I do not yet have enough reliable evidence to say this is the same Alexander. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 4, 2008 2:03:34 GMT -5
Cannot find Johanna (joanna) in 1851 but can also not find a death for her. I simply tried a search using either JOANNA or JOHANNA (no surname) dying between 1841 and 1845 (inclusive) and nothing shows up that looks like her. Anybody have any suggestions and what might be tried next? |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 4, 2008 3:18:35 GMT -5
Can now add a little more information about the THOMAS part of this 'project'. Grace d/o Joseph and Johanna THOMAS of Lanner bp. 8th November 1829 at Gwennap Joseph s/o Joseph and Johanna THOMAS of Lanner bp. 29th April 1832 at Gwennap William s/o Joseph and Joanna THOMAS of Cairn-Marth bp. 30th August 1835 at Gwennap Joseph THOMAS married Johanna WHITBURN 20th September 1829 at Gwennap Cannot find any burials for this family at Gwennap. Time to reassess plans again.  Edwin s/o Joseph and Joanna THOMAS of Carnmarth bp. 2nd April 1837 at Gwennap |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 4, 2008 3:59:15 GMT -5
Oh Dear - hope I haven't been barking up the wrong tree! 1844 June Qtr Vol 9 Page 92 Helston Death - Alexander BOSANKO 1845 March Qtr Vol 9 Page 143 Helston Johanna BOSANKO married one of the following:- William PASCOE Arundel PRYOR Thomas RICHARDS John SKEWIS Nope - it's okay! Johanna Bosanko was baptised at Sithney in 1821 and married Thomas Richards in 1845 before ending up in Australia where she apparently died at South Melbourne in 1886. So my theory still holds. |
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Post by londoner on Nov 4, 2008 7:20:55 GMT -5
If Alex was married before maybe Elizabeth was also?
How about this
2 Aug 1829 St Buryan
Elizabeth Paddy Karkeet parents John Paddy and Jane Karkeet of PAUL, base child
Gulval 07-Jan 1827
William KESSELL parents William & Elizabeth
Trewarrack
Gardener
Madron
22-Nov 1848 (BMD ref Penzance Q4 9,274) Kessell/Kerkeet
William KESSELL 22 BACH PLUMBER
Penzance
father WILLIAM KESSELL GARDENER
ELIZABETH KERKEEL 20 SPINST
PENZANCE
father JOHN KERKEEL BUTCHER
I cannot find a William Kessell with a wife Elizabeth after this date,
In 1901 William of Gulval is listed with wife Mary Ann but I cant fid him in between
could this be why there is no marriage of Alex & Elizabeth - just a possiblity
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and it also means I will need to get the glasses I was recently tested for sooner rather than later. 
- So I tried the search using Eliza and found the family okay.
