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Post by cornish on Jan 29, 2008 4:24:50 GMT -5
:)I am wondering where the name Vial came from its on my mothers paternal side, its an unusual name I think its most likely foreign. But where, and when did they come to Cornwall?. Anyone know a Vial?
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Post by londoner on Jan 29, 2008 7:28:11 GMT -5
In later years it is more usually found as Veal or Veale. However I have found it in 1851 in London with place of birth given as France. I suspect that it is one of the many Breton-Cornish connections. Others may be able to tell you more.
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Post by trencrom on Jan 30, 2008 22:04:35 GMT -5
In later years it is more usually found as Veal or Veale. . On what grounds would you claim that these are all variant forms of the same name?
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Post by londoner on Jan 31, 2008 5:53:05 GMT -5
Sorry if I jumped to a false conclusion just seemed logical at the time.
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Post by donne on Jan 31, 2008 12:39:11 GMT -5
I've no connection to the VIAL name, but just browsing the IGI shows lots of christenings in Crowan for example for VIAL and its variants all through the 18th century. I agree that it does not sound very much like VEAL, so it's likely it has a different root.
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Post by cornishmaid on Jan 31, 2008 12:59:27 GMT -5
Hi Cornish, try this website: www.mjcvile.co.uk/productssimple2.htmlIt offers some discussion on the surname in various forms. I have no Vials in my family so have not had occasion to look into the name I'm afraid.
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Post by kerthen on Feb 1, 2008 0:00:39 GMT -5
I have a collateral John Vioal b abt 1766. He married Miriam Rodda in Crowan in 1791. He was the son of Samuel Vioal and Catherine Gribble.
I haven't done much with this family but they seem to be largely in Crowan with possibly some earlier ones in the Camborne area. I don't know the history of the name at all.
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Post by cornish on Feb 1, 2008 5:35:07 GMT -5
Hi All thanks for your responce. I have two family trees of the Vial family given to me by Shirley who I met at the Truro Cornish family history society, so this is all helping me to piece together my Vial family history. One of the family trees has Decendants of Ananais Vial of which I belive my Abraham of Crowan is related. Then there is Samual Vial 1719 married Cathrine Gribble son John Vial! same as Kerthen.
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Post by kerthen on Feb 1, 2008 11:40:44 GMT -5
Are the Ananias Vial descendants connected to the Samuel Vial descendants, Cornish? They all seem to be in the Crowan area. I have a few descendants of John, son of Samuel, but not much more than that. His wife Miriam died in the workhouse at Helston in 1848. I don't know much else on him. I know more about her family because her brother was my several times g-grandfather.
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Post by cornish on Feb 2, 2008 4:40:20 GMT -5
Hi Kerthen Yes Samuel Vial is related to Ananais Vial b.abt 1660 sp Grace, on one of the family trees I was given, entitled Descendants of Ananias Vial. There is Robert sp unknown, then Samuel Vial c19 Jun 1719 Crowan sp Catharine Gribble one of his children was John Vial c 28 May 1766 Crowan sp Miriam Rodda.
I thought that Robert was the father of my Abraham, I still dont know who who Abrahams Father was.
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Post by kerthen on Feb 2, 2008 16:42:07 GMT -5
Hi Cornish, Thank you for the descent from Ananias down to John. I'll store that away in case I need to figure out more about them. I don't have a good 'location' bead on them yet in Crowan. If I discover anything about Abraham, I'll post it.
cheers,
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 9, 2008 11:23:59 GMT -5
My copy of 'A Handbook of Cornish Surnames' is still packed away in a box somewhere. However - If I am sent a reminder every now and then, once I have located that book, I will see what it might have to say. Ian
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Post by cornish on Feb 19, 2008 4:45:24 GMT -5
Thanks a cornish surname book would be very useful, and I have a couple more surnames to add to the surnames board.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 21, 2008 14:12:11 GMT -5
I apologise for the fact that I have not yet located my Cornish Surnames Book - but I have not forgotten.
It is probable that I have mentioned this before but:-
Henry SPARNON m. Mary VIOL sometime before 1843.
According to Rootsweb Family Search Mary VIOL was baptised at Camborne 25th September 1803.
I will try to do more on this as I get the chance.
Ian
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Post by noonvares on Mar 1, 2011 21:34:23 GMT -5
Regarding the VIAL surname & the above question - "On what grounds would you claim that these are all variant forms of the same name? "
I have not looked at VIAL families since approximately 2005, however, remember clearly that I could follow the same census households with a variety of spellings including ViOL, VIALL, VIOLL & VYALL. So, it seems entirely reasonable that another researcher would also find variations.
Perhaps a good follow-up question is why wouldn't there be spelling variations on most surnames?
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