Manx Invaders

[freddy]

Hello to everyone on this excellent site. I would like to say I'm Cornish (ok there are 3 generations in Penzance) but if truth be told my lot invaded Madron from Isle of Man in late 1700's! Their surname - variously spelt CORKELL or CORKILL seems to have gone down well in Penzance where it becomes Cockle or Cockell. A family of fisherman, pilots, coastguards, we seem to have integrated well and have links with HONEYCHURCH, HOCKING, PHILIPS and TREWHELLA and other Cornish names. My research is founded on some earlier work by a family member but it would be good to explore connections and history a little bit better. The other side of the family comes from Grimsby so fish seems a family habit!

Fred

[londoner]

As you will see looking through the board we have our resident Trewhella expert - Cornish Terrier - He has a vast depository of info on the family.
And the crew just love searching out obscure ancestors

[Cornish Terrier]

Hello Fred - and a hearty welcome!

Very glad you have joined, especially given the connections you have listed.

If you have had a good look around this site you will see that Londoner is right about our searching for 'obscure names' or trying to find answers for people with very difficult queries/problems.

I am one of those who just loves it and try to help wherever and whenever I can so let us know how we might help you and we will give it our very best shot.

As Londoner also says, I am 'supposedly' the Trewhella expert and I probably know as much about the families as anyone.

But I, too, have my problems and continue to search for answers.

Your introduction offers me the opportunity to fill in a few more little gaps so I look forward to our discussions.

All four names you have mentioned have Trewhella connections at some time but I have not, as yet, really pursued any other than my own name.

In some cases this has been pure neglect and in others simply a matter of non-availability of relevant records. (More like lack of access to those records!)

I will start with Jane COCKELL who married Henry TREWHELLA at Madron in 1856.

But I think it better to keep this particular area for Introductions so will start a new thread in 'Madron Musings' for Trewhella of Madron/Penzance I think.

And it can be there that names such as Honeychurch can be discussed.

Best Wishes and talk to you soon at 'Madron'.

Cornish Terrier

[freddy]

Hi Cornish Terrier.

What a great welcome. You may have seen that I have posted a more detailed account of what I know under 'Surname Interests' but agree that Madron Musings is the right venue. I think that the Jane who married Henry was a daughter of George Phillips COCKELL (CORKELL). She was born around 1835. 1841 Census has her aged 5 living with Parents in Barbican Penzance with parents George and Jane and other siblings.

Fred

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Fred - I have started the new thread as you will see and have done some brief preliminary work on the Census.

I noticed that Jane was born St Mary's, Scilly which is interesting.

It is a shame that not much is available for Penzance just now and there is extremely little in IGI.

But I did notice a couple of references to George Philips COCKLE and note your point that he could be the father of Jane.

However he was baptised in 1809 and Jane's father George was consistent with his age in the Census and indicated a birth of around 1812/13.

I know this can be a little arbitrary normally but consistency is certainly suggestive.

Of only 10 records for the family in IGI there is certainly one of interest:-

Elizabeth Jane COCKLE bp. 1st August 1833 Scilly Islands d/o George Philips COCKLE and Jesse Jenetta

This baptism date matches fairly well with the estimated birth of Elizabeth, eldest daughter of George and Jane COCKELL.

However, Elizabeth's birthplace as given in the 1851 Census was Penzance - as with all her siblings.

So there are two problems here that I am a little concerned with - the identity of George by age and the identity of George via daughter Elizabeth by birthplace.

The other concern I have is the extreme difference between 'Jane' and 'Jesse Jennetta', especially when the name 'Jane' is the only one I have evidence of in relation to my initial Cockell family.

Interesting that the name COCKELL and COCKLE is not found in the 1881 Census in Cornwall - rather, they are CORKELL or CORKHILL and there are very few of them in Cornwall.

This may take a little work I think.

Must check the rest of the messages and then REALLY must get those rooms sorted out.

CT

[freddy]

A quick reply CT

I too have got confused hence need for help! My uncle's initial work identified George Phillips COCKELL (CORKELL) wife as Jesse Jennetta (Jane) JENKINS b.[1813] and I had somewhere picked up a Scilly connection. His work also identifies Jane b [1835] as his daughter (who I think married your Henry).

All interesting!

Hope you sort your rooms out!!

Fred

[londoner]

according to IGI Jessy Jane Jenkins m George Phillips Corkell 3 Jun 1833 at Madron
Jessey Jenkin bp 28 Mar 1813 Isles of Scilly, parents James & Elizabeth
James Jenkin m Elizabeth Deason Nov 1812 (Isles of Scilly opc)

[freddy]

Hi Londoner

Great work. I came across a very detailed family tree of the Deason's too when I was looking so I shall have to revisit!

Thanks

[Mal]

Hi Manxman!!! I also have Trewhella in my blood so we may have an extremely distant connection. I am a bit slow at following up all the threads but as they say, I'll do it "dreckly".
I often wonder about the surname Man/Mane/Mann, especially the latter spelling. Perhaps there is a connection with the Isle of Mann. Let us not forget that the island of Anglesey is Mon in Welsh and Mona in Latin, must be some Celtic link there somewhere.