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Post by cornishmaid on Sept 30, 2008 3:39:03 GMT -5
Marriage in St Ives of a John Williams, alias Gillen, and Mary Davy, widow on 22 December 1732. Gillen = Garland? Yes, am definitely clutching at straws now
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Post by newlyn on Sept 30, 2008 5:29:12 GMT -5
Hi Cornishmaid I have looked on the South Hams sites in Devon for a Rebecca Knight but no luck. Re: Edward and Mary Hain Edward was born 1771. Mary possibly born 1786. Married in St Ives 1802. Their children were Edward b.1804 who married Margery Paynter in 1826. Mary b.1807 and died 1824 John b.1811 and married Jane Hodge 1834 Garland b.1814 Richard b.c1815 and died before 1824 James b.1817 married Ann Richard Richard b.12.9.1824 married Grace Greenman Craze in Hayle 1848. Edward b.1771 bought a fishing boat and then begun the Hains Shipping Company which was then bought out by P&O. There is a community hospital in St Ives named after a Edward Hain (councillor). Still no nearer to finding out the parents of Mary though!! Newlyn
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Post by newlyn on Sept 30, 2008 6:21:55 GMT -5
Richard Paynter Hain married Mary Gyles 14.9.1863 in St Ives. Richard was age 24 a Mariner living in St Ives. His father was Edward a Master Mariner. Mary was age 21 and living in St Ives. Her father was George a Mariner.
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Post by cornishmaid on Sept 30, 2008 7:54:16 GMT -5
Thanks Newlyn Funnily enough, the Edward Hain who married Mary Williams is my 4th great granduncle. I don't have any information on his wife though apart from the marriage date. I am sure there must be a connection to my other Williams family as the name Garland wasn't common in St Ives. Will have to pursue this further. There only seems to be one Mary Williams baptised at around the right time to be Edward's wife, ie: Mary Williams, dau of John & Mary, bapt. 12 April 1784 (The only other one was dau of John & Ann, bapt on 28 September 1777, but it appears she died and they baptised another Mary in 1801 ) Will have a look at John and Mary Williams' other children and try to find a possible marriage for them.
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Post by londoner on Sept 30, 2008 8:36:42 GMT -5
This thread has wandered about but I think at the beginning you were looking for a death between 1851-61 for John Williams. Cornwall opc database has in St Ives 9 Feb 1855 John age 78 20 Oct 1856 John age 6 3 Dec 1856 John age 68 from the 1851 details it looks like the last one is the closest
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Post by cornishmaid on Sept 30, 2008 10:25:35 GMT -5
Thanks Londoner , that sounds like him. Was so wrapped up in the marriages of Garland to Elizabeth and John to Rebecca that I forgot about trying to find his death after sorting his baptism.
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Post by londoner on Sept 30, 2008 13:22:52 GMT -5
I now have a Knight problem of my own - 26 April 1846 at Madron Thomas Inch (son of THomas & Grace of St Austell) married Mary Ann Knight according to census detail she was born Penzance 1821 but I cant find her in Penzance before marriage or a local baptism - the nearest appears to be (from Family Search) to William & Rebecca at Redruth Bible Christian Chapel. No sign of a suitable marriage except (and this is a real longshot) William Knight, Naval Lieutenant to Maria Rebecca(yes so she would be another Rebecca Knight!!!) Hamilton (widow) at Mylor in 1820. And no sign of them in 1841 either. If anyone can shed light on this I'd be grateful
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 30, 2008 18:24:10 GMT -5
Give a Knight an Inch Had a look at that 1732 Marriage of John Williams als Gillen and, unless they had several kids elsewhere, it would appear there was only one daughter, Elizabeth, baptised in 1733. Next record of a child to a John Williams is not for another 10 years. And if you are interested his wife Mary DAVY, widow, appears to have been:- Vincent DAVY m. Mary OATES 10th July 1727 Lelant There is a burial for Vincent DAVY at St Ives in John Tanner's Burial Transcript. I also tried searching on GILLEN as a christian name but it mostly brought up Julian, Juliana, Gillian etc and nothing of any real help. Londoner - I will try to have a search and see if I can find anything of use to you with your little problem also. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 23, 2010 18:32:55 GMT -5
It has taken a long time but I may finally have stumbled across something that might help solve this problem! I am currently transcribing some of the St Ives Parish Registers and therein found the clue! I suggest you start looking at the name HOSKING. For the period 1753-1784 at least the Baptism and Burial registers for St Ives were copied and it seems that it is largely these copies that are the source of most information now. However, for the period 1768-1778 (Actually starts 1767) there is a film of what appears to be the original register. This 'original' is in ver poor condition with some pages having large chunks missing and most of the others being very difficult, if at all possible, to read. My original transcription was from the 'copies' and I am now cross-checking 1767-1778 against the remnants of the original. And it is here that I found the possible answer! From the 'copy':- Elisabeth daughter of Garland and Elisabeth HOSKING baptised 22nd September 1771 From the 'original':- Elizabeth daughter of Garland and Elizabeth WILLIAMS baptised 22nd September 1771 IGI shows the HOSKING entry as does CFHS. Now - Elisabeth daughter of Garland WILLIAMS was buried 12th April 1772 at St Ives. BUT - no baptism can be found for her EXCEPT in the original register on the same date as I have outlined above. We have previously searched unsuccessfully for a baptism for Garland WILLIAMS with the earliest of that name to be found in IGI being 1779. And now for a possible twist!! Garland base son of Mary HOSKING was baptised at St Ives 31st August 1745 What odds that there might be a WILLIAMS involved here somewhere!!! The other unsuccessful search was for the marriage of Garland WILLIAMS. BUT!!! Garland HOSKING, mariner, married Elizabeth TONKING at St Ives 3rd January 1766 I would be thinking that a combination of the children of Garland HOSKING and Garland WILLIAMS will turn out to be all the one family! ;D CT
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Post by cornishmaid on Jun 24, 2010 3:55:25 GMT -5
By jove, I think you've got it! ;D Thank you CT; just goes to show that a bit of tenacity, patience and lateral thinking pays off in the end xxx
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 24, 2010 16:58:49 GMT -5
And furthermore:- Garland Williams was buried 9th April 1822 at St Ives age 79 If the age was accurate then it places Garland's birth around 1742/3. We know that no sign of a baptism can be found for Garland Williams which is not totally conclusive given recent experience shows some entries have been totally missed. However I think we are definitely on the right track given the 1771 baptism of Garland's daughter was first recorded as Williams and then copied as Hosking. Garland Hosking was baptised 31st August 1745 so we are only looking at about 2 years difference in age when compare with the 1822 burial of Garland Williams. When it comes to ages recorded in burial records I reckon that is pretty close. CT
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