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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 13, 2009 21:25:37 GMT -5
David - I will try and spend some time on this as soon as I have enough of that commodity (time). I have a copy of the Will of James TREWHEELA of IOS from which I pieced together much of that period of the family at Towednack. Your mention of Alse PHILLIPS is interesting given you mention the word 'trawl' regarding your searches. Alse PHILLIPS married Martine TREWELLA at Zennor 10th November 1688 and these are my direct ancestors. At this stage I believe Martin and Matthew to have been brothers. If I do not have to head to the fire ground again tonight I will try to give you a better outline of the family. Regarding the burials of the two John Martins - don't forget that these need not be the same family but merely that one was older than the other. With no age recorded it is difficult but we could be looking at uncle and nephew, grandfather and grandson, older cousin and younger cousin ....... Many options to consider so you are not necessarily looking for two men named George either. Until later, CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 13, 2009 23:37:18 GMT -5
David - another possibility to consider regarding the two John Martins ss/o George.
It is possible they were both surviving sons of the one George - a situation I have seen on numerous occasions.
CT
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Post by davidkingmartin on Feb 14, 2009 18:05:11 GMT -5
Ian: I think that you are right on that point. The two DOBs listed on the Sancreed records are a few years` apart but not long enough to make them father and son. Maybe the first child was expected not to survive....we know of many instances of that. D.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 14, 2009 18:11:15 GMT -5
David - just back from the fireground and have one further request for you. You mentioned that you found some of this whilst doing a 'trawl' for information. Are you able to specify just where this particular information surfaced - website, link etc. ? If I can get a look at the source I might be able to work through the scenario better to see what might be based on fact and what might be pure fiction. Much appreciated if you can help with this part of things and I will try to get the outline (at least) of the Will of James TREWHEELA of Scilly organised for you. CT
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Post by davidkingmartin on Feb 15, 2009 8:04:05 GMT -5
Ian: you have asked for sources/links. The "trawl" is of genealogical websites, largely Ancestry.co, and of individual family websites (sometimes found via Google). If I find something interesting but it is labelled "unsourced"I try to "message" the Treeholder. There is a 25% chance of that, but occasionally I get more than I bargained for eg scans of Birth Certs, photos etc. I will try to check the data against known (on-line) sources eg the Stithian records, UK Census, FreeBMDs...and a few reliable Trees such as Kathie Wiegl`s. This may provide further "clues" (or eliminate someone from my enquires....sounds like Inspector Morse!). Some Trees bear very familiar names eg Trewheller Tree (yes!). Others can be quickly identified. There is a Glasson Tree (eg). Or the treeholder bears a familiar name.
An example: "Carol Quick" (treeholder). Her Tree relates to Thomas Trewheller 1628 and Katherine Boswin, with son Martin 1660, whose spouse is given as Alice Phillips 1666, marr.1688. Another treeholder spells Alice "Alse". Another treeholder has a MARTINE and an ALSE, but all other detail the same until you come to the pedigree when everything goes awry. Most data appears unsourced and a lot is being re-cycled ie we are copying one another (naughty, naughty!).....BUT the info. must have been found somewhere by someone. Some Trees are a mess but they are not all works of fiction.
I exchange e-mails, about one a day, with persons all over the place trying to sort out a particular "branch" of a Tree and sometimes providing myself with useful "collateral".
(Apologies to Carol Quick should she be reading this!)
David
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Post by davidkingmartin on Feb 15, 2009 8:30:08 GMT -5
Re-reading my previous posting re "sources" I may be belittling myself, and others. I do have a large trunk full of 99% reliable sources, many of them that can be classed as "primary", eg passports, glass-plate photos., immig. certs etc but a lot of that relates to my mother`s side of the family ie not Cornwall. I have some handwritten Trees (Tresize, Ross etc) provided by the authors and I happen to know that they were thoroughly researched, often at source (churches, private archives etc), long before the web came into being and there are people out there who keep up the good work......
David
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 15, 2009 12:25:27 GMT -5
David - is it possible there is some mix-up here? Trying to have a quick look at this problem and there seems to be several distinct similarities to the marriage of John MARTIN/Catherine CURNOW. e.g. - Catherine (supposedly nee TREWHELLA) dies circa 1760 Catherine MARTIN (nee CURNOW) was buried at Towednack 19th May 1760 Just wondering.
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Post by davidkingmartin on Feb 15, 2009 13:49:36 GMT -5
Yes, there could be. I "sorted out" John Martin and Catherine Curnow some while ago (although there are some details to be determined about her antecedents).John is a son of Lambert and Phillipp (nee Trewheller). It`s the Sancreed John Martin 29 Sept.1684, d July 1740 I am looking at because he may have a wife Catherine Trewheller who could be related to Lambert`s Phillipp (...iss). I caanot find her in the Sancreed records....or any wife for this John, if he had one.
And Sancreed John may not be related to the Stithians/Towednack line of mine........I am seeking a link!
David.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 16, 2009 8:33:19 GMT -5
The two earliest Catherine TREWHELLAs I have are the daughter of Matthew (bp. 1684) and the daughter of William and Jane (bp. 1694) - both at Towednack.
The daughter of William and Jane married David CURNOW.
I have no further information on the daughter of Matthew.
In fact I have never found much at all on this part of the family which seems most unusual.
Some people think Matthew married Emblem Baragwanath at Towednack in 1679 however there is no record of a surname for Matthew and also no burial found for any possible wife.
His son, Matthew, married Jane TREWHELLA at Ludgvan in 1725 and had four children.
I believe Jane to have been the sister of my ancester Martin in whose Will she was mentioned in 1763.
Nothing further has been found of Matthew except that it was probably he who married Phillis BENNETS at Gulval in 1690 and also nothing further found about his other daughter Mary who was baptised at Towednack in 1682.
The earliest connection with Sancreed is the marriage of Prudenc TREWHELLA of Towednack to Bernard COCK in 1726.
Prudence was the daughter of John and Katherine (nee HINGSTON) TREWHELLA and was mentioned in the Will of her brother James in 1764.
The only other connection to Sancreed is a marriage much later in the 1700's.
Prior to 1803 there are only a couple of TREWHELLA events outside of Towednack, Zennor and Ludgvan with those being at Madron.
I am at a loss just now but will continue to review my data.
CT
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