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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 26, 2008 18:14:26 GMT -5
You are all spoiling me! Another marriage found - and in a place I certainly would not have thought of. Turns out I actually have the St Allen PR info downloaded and armed with knowledge have duly looked it up. In 1861 James Gundry was at Road, Perranuthnoe, unmarried, age 42 and a mine clerk born at Perranuthnoe. Just to confuse matters there is another James Gundry at Perranuthnoe in 1861. This one is a year older and is married and was also born at Perranuthnoe. Using IGI I checked for baptisms for James Gundry and found two at about the right time:- 4th May 1817 s/o Gideon and Grace 16th August 1818 s/o James and Mary I was going to opt for the second - simply based on the age of the two at 1861. But now Mary has been found in 1871 visiting James and Mary Gundry I can be certain the second must be the right one. And I have been noticing that some of your messages are arriving while I am in the middle of working on my own postings so continuity is a bit of a problem - I am posting my messages only to find, in some cases, that the questions I might be asking have already been answered. James' parents:- James GUNDRY, of Perranuthnoe married Mary TREVENEN at St Erth 20th February 1815 by Licence According to the Admon. of Elizabeth Trewhella her sister Mary was a widow by 1880. FreeBMD Deaths 1879 Truro June Qtr Vol 5c Pg 115 James GUNDRY age 60 1890 Truro March Qtr Vol 5c Pg 126 Mary GUNDRY age 58 This is certainly our man James and must be our Mary but she would actually have been 64 when she died. I don't have the records for St Agnes and any for that period are not available online so nothing can be verified at the moment. Now to have another look through the remaining Census records for Mary and Elizabeth. 1881 is easy - Mary was widowed and living at Trevenner Sq, Marazion with sister Ann.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 26, 2008 20:05:38 GMT -5
Something I have noticed with the daughters of Matthew and Catherine Trewhella - the older they got the younger they seemed to get. Elizabeth was born in 1815 yet was 62 when she died in 1880. (Still cannot find her in any Census!) Nanny (Ann) was born in 1821 yet in each Census she is found her age is minimum 2 years less than what it should be. And I now suspect that she is the Ann Trewhella whose death is registered in 1896 with the age given as 65! Mary was born in 1825 yet in the 1871 Census her age is 41. In 1881 her age is recorded correctly as 55. But when she died in 1890 she was only 58! And in a roundabout way that leads me to the 1871 Census. Most confusing it is too as has been pointed out. It is obvious who Mary Gundry was but the big question is - just who was this Mary Trewhella? The answer is that, on the face of it, I have no flamin' idea! I have no record of another Mary Trewhella born at Ludgvan about the right time and I am, in fact, struggling to find another Mary anywhere who might be remotely considered. BUT - I do have a possible solution to this puzzle. I am beginning to seriously think that this is actually ANN. Neither Ann nor Elizabeth can be found in the 1871 Census. Ann was four years older than Mary but as I pointed out above all these girls (apart from Mary in 1881) consistently had their ages recorded at least a couple of years less than what they should have been. And Ann was unmarried, just as was this Mary. What do you think?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 26, 2008 20:24:08 GMT -5
Ann TREWHELLA of Marazion buried 28th August 1896 at Marazion.
No doubt now, this is her - but she would actually have been 75.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 26, 2008 20:34:45 GMT -5
And just a little bit more. Catherine TREGLOWN age 45 of Tregurtha Downs buried 18th October 1864 at St Hilary William TREGLOWN age 78 of St Hilary buried 8th December 1893 at St Hilary Need to track down the burial of James and Mary GUNDRY now.
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Post by londoner on Sept 27, 2008 12:21:20 GMT -5
I'm gardening this weekend, the sun is shining (or was earlier) and it hasn't rained for a whole week!!!! but will try to get some of your "continuity" issues sorted later! I'm sure some of the questions you are asking have already been answered!
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Post by newlyn on Sept 27, 2008 14:11:18 GMT -5
Its quite likely that 'Mary' was really Ann.
I have looked for more marriages of 'Gundry' on St Erth Phillimores 1563-1812. I can't find any others for that parish.
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Post by newlyn on Sept 27, 2008 14:35:06 GMT -5
There was a marriage in St Hilary of Henry Trevenen and Anne James by licence 21.3.1784
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Post by londoner on Sept 29, 2008 2:53:36 GMT -5
GUNDREY MARY MARAZION 16-Aug 1887 Age 59 Think this is what you were looking for. Husband James not listed at Marazion - will have to look elsewhere And is this her sister? TREWHELLA ELIZABETH MARAZION 19-May 1880 Age 62 and another one to puzzle you - TREWHEELER HONOUR MARAZION 09-Feb 1853 Age 57 all from another useful site: freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/con/marazion.htm
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 29, 2008 4:15:41 GMT -5
Boy! am I glad you are on the ball. That burial for Mary makes perfect sense. I had neglected to take notice of the fact that she was 'head of household' at Marazion in 1881 with her sister Ann. Because she and James were at St Agnes in 1871 I allowed myself to be led astray. James was deceased prior to the 1881 Census and there is only one Death event in FreeBMD that could be him and that was in the Truro R.D. in 1879. And as Mary did not appear in 1891 I located a Death record, also at Truro, in 1890 that I took to be her. SLAP ME please someone! - Never Assume and take things for granted. Yes - Elizabeth buried 1880 was Mary's sister. Refer to the PERROW thread - this was Honor (nee PERROW) who married William TREWHELLA at St Hilary in 1824. She was daughter of Anthony and Honor but notice that her age at burial is not correct. Honor was baptised in 1787 which would have made her about 66 when she died. (And in the 1851 Census she was 64)
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Post by davidkingmartin on Feb 12, 2009 10:23:03 GMT -5
This is about another Catherine Trewheller, possibly of Sancreed, 1684 (or 20 Oct.`94), died c1760. She married a John Martin, b29 Sept.1684, Sancreed (from Sancreed on-line records), died 6 or 18 July 1740. There are two John Martins who died the same month, one described as Snr, the other as Jnr (Father and son? In which case one of my bap.dates is very wrong! ). John`s father is recorded as George Martyn who married Katerine Elis (bap.1641?) on 1 Jan. 1678?. The question mark is in the Sancreed transcript. George may have been born 1650 (not on record) and died 7 Feb.1724 (on record, if this is the "correct" George. Catherine Trewheller`s g-father appears to be Thomas T. 1628-`85, who married Katherine Boswin (not in Sanceed records). Thomas is a brother of JamesT. (of the Isles of Scilly) who is the father of Phillipp (Philliss) Trewheller....who married Lambert Martin (who died 26 Dec.1723, Stithians) from whom I appear to be a direct descendent through his son John and Catherine (Curnow), his wife. ie Catherine of 1684 (or `94) is related to Phillipp and a distant relative of mine. I am seeking the descendents of the Sancreed John/Catherine. Hence this posting.
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Post by Mal on Feb 12, 2009 11:51:54 GMT -5
Are any of these connected to the Colensoe family? I have a Katherine Trewheela married to John Colensoe, 1638 daughter of James Trewheela of St Erth, (died at Towednack). James was the Churchwarden at St Erth, born about 1582. The family appear to have moved on to St Buryan at a later stage.
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Post by davidkingmartin on Feb 12, 2009 13:45:49 GMT -5
Yes, I think (NB unverified data!) I have found "your" Catherine Trewheller (var.), m to Thomas Colensoe , with 11 children. TC b1614 Madron, but died (or buried?)St.Buryan: his father is Thomas 1580 and mother Jane 1595-1624. Katherine/Catherine has nine siblings, the father being James 1582 (as you suggest).
"My" Catherine 1684 or 1694 would appear to be a g-gchild of James 1682. John Martin 1684 is her husband.
DKM
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Post by Mal on Feb 13, 2009 7:59:27 GMT -5
oops... I made a mistake, it was Thomas Colensoe, John was the son of Thomas and Catherine. There are quite a few Trewhellas at St Erth, the frustrating thing is that the wives/mothers' names are not recorded on the early records. I can't find a complete record for Catherine's baptism, and I am not sure about her mother. There is a Jane Trewheller who dies around 1670 (widow) but we cannot be sure that be James' (the elder) wife.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 13, 2009 8:42:30 GMT -5
David - you have me totally confused and lost now! I have no record of the marriage of John Martin and Catherine Trewhella so would very much appreciate whatever details you can supply about this event. I do have record of Catherine TREWHEELA bp. 19th October 1684 at Towednack d/o Matthew. No marriage found for Matthew but it appears likely it was he who married Phillis BENNETS at Gulval 7th November 1690. Matthew had three children prior to that marriage - Matthew bp. 3rd October 1679 Towednack, Mary bp. 30th April 1682 Towednack and Catherine. This part of the family is still a mystery to me. This is not correct - James (of Isles of Scilly) appears to have been not married and his Will is indicative of this. Phillis was, I believe, most likely the daughter of James and Blanch TREWHELLA with this James being probably the man buried at Towednack 9th March 1698. From my reconstruction of the family I believe James (of IOS) to have been a brother to Phillis (married Lambert MARTIN) and therefore a nephew of the Thomas who married Katherine BUSWIN. James' Will was written 29th January 1699/1700. If you have details of children to John and Catherine I would be interested in those also so that I may try to reconstruct events for myself. You most certainly have me intrigued! CT
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Post by davidkingmartin on Feb 13, 2009 13:31:47 GMT -5
CT:I have no details of the children, if any, of John 1684 and of Catherine. Hence the earlier posting. I came across Catherine (Katherine) while trawling various websites in search of relatives of Phillipp (var.) Trewheller, who is married to "my" Lambert Martin.Having "identified" John M.of Sancreed as a possible spouse, I searched the Sancreed on-line records and found the bap.record (29 Sept.) with the father`s name, George Martyn 1650, but no marr. record to confirm the Catherine link. Unfortunately, I have uncovered a real muddle. The Sancreed burial records have two John Martins dying in the same month (July 1740), one listed as "snr", the other "jnr". If "snr" is the father, then George cannot be the dad! (I have to assume). There are 2 John Ms listed, both the sons of George. The DOBs rule out "snr" as being the father. SO...there could be more than one George in the area...ie 2 different families.
You mention Catherine 1684 as being d/o Matthew. I agree., and that "no marriage found", suggesting Phillis Bennets, of Gulval as a likelihood.....and that Matthew has 3 children before that marriage to PB...which suggests an earlier wife. Could that be "Alse Phillips 1661" (from an unsourced "trawl" of mine)?
I am trying to "link" Catherine Trewheeler (..heller) 1684 to Phillipp (var.) Trewheller, wife of Lambert M., as I have indicated, and collect more data as regards the Trewheller antecedents...which brings us to your second point re James of the IOS. I am still puzzling that one out!
David.
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