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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 19, 2008 2:09:50 GMT -5
The previous thread has prompted me to take a look at a part of my own family that I have neglected. I have not looked at this since March 1995, a time during which my access to relevant data was sadly lacking. William TROON Lobb m. Mary TREWHELLA at Ludgvan 8th August 1850. Until now I had nothing more on this couple exept, of course, Mary's ancestry. Mary was the sister of John and Robert TREWHELLA who went to Italy as railway contractors and were involved in the building railways around Palermo, Mt Etna and others. They were resident in Sicily and I have quite a deal of information about them if anyone is interested. I have just found William and Mary LOBB (no sign of TROON) in the 1851 Census at Canons Town, Ludgvan. William was then aged 25 and stated he was born in Ludgvan. Now about to try and find a bit more but should anyone have any data on this particular fellow and his ancestors/descendants I would be very happy to discuss it. For David and other MARTIN researchers you may be interested to know that another sister, Elizabeth Ann TREWHELLA married George MARTIN at Ludgvan 7th April 1853. I currently know nothing more about George MARTIN so information welcome.
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Post by londoner on Sept 19, 2008 3:13:55 GMT -5
1841 Census: HO107; Piece 142; Book: 11; Civil Parish: Ludgvan; County: Cornwall; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 22; Page: 10; Line: 16; GSU roll: 241264.at White Cross: William Lobb 15 and on the previous page: Joseph Lobb 50 copper miner Johanna Lobb 45 Grace Lobb 20 Johanna Lobb 20 Joseph Lobb 15 Jane Lobb 12 Elizabeth Lobb 8 Henry Lobb 4 IGI has a baptism at Gulval William Troon (or Froon) Lobb 26 Mar 1826, parents Joseph and Jane and from Gulval baptisms on WPR: 26 Mar William Troon c/o Joseph (Miner) & Jane Lobb of Tregear, Ludgvan only marriage for them is an assumed submitted entry so we need to keep searching IGI has a Joan Blight Troon bp 31 May 1795 to William & Jenefair - this could possibly be Johanna (although perhaps too old) - in 1841 William is working/living at the farm of a Richard Blight
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Post by cornishmaid on Sept 19, 2008 3:33:53 GMT -5
You got there before me A Joseph Lobb married a Joan Blight Troon on 27 January 1817 in Ludgvan. Joan's baptism would fit in with Johanna's age on the 1841 census nicely. (Joan's parents likely to be William Troon & Jenifer Blight who married at Ludgvan on 18 December 1790.) The only other marriage I can find is between Joseph Lobb and Jane Sanders at St Austell on 13 November 1803. There were no notes to say that Joseph was from Ludgvan, so I'm thinking that this marriage was too early and too far away to be the correct one.
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Post by londoner on Sept 19, 2008 4:50:13 GMT -5
Nice teamwork ! What are you doing stuck indoors when the sun is (AT LAST) shining? ;D Do you thing that the 5 month William Henry who is staying with his grandmother Johanna in 1851 is the son of William & Mary?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 19, 2008 4:52:34 GMT -5
William Troon Lobb was baptised at Gulval 5th March 1826 'of Tregear, Ludgvan'. This is the only entry for the name LOBB at Gulval 1813-1837. At Ludgvan there are only ten entries for the name in IGI and all except one belong to this family. William's parents are recorded as JOSEPH and JANE yet all other baptisms for this family as recorded in IGI show the mother as JOAN. I cannot locate a marriage for them in IGI so would appreciate any help here as I do not have the Ludgvan records which would be, I think, probably where they married. In the 1851 Census at White Cross, Ludgvan, Jane is now 'Johanna', age 56, born Ludgvan. It looks probable that Joseph was baptised at Perranuthnoe 1st June 1788 s/o Joseph and Grace (nee HOSKEN) who married at Perranuthnoe 29th March 1783. Nother problem with Joseph LOBB is that there were two supposedly born about 1834 at St Erth. The name of the mother in each case was Mary and both married in 1856 at St Erth. I have one baptism for Joseph s/o Joseph and Mary 11th September 1834 at St Erth. The other bloke appears in the 1851 Census with his mother and siblings. Joseph s/o Joseph married Sarah TREZISE 6th April 1856 at St Erth and I have two children for them (Joseph 1856 and Francis 1859). Joseph s/o Henry married Jane Emily TREVASKIS 1st November 1856 at St Erth and I have nine children for them. Returning to William Troon Lobb I have found Mary in the 1861 Census with children Joseph and Elizabeth. She is recorded as being married so William is obviously elsewhere but, given that he seems to have been recorded simply as 'William' in most records I have now seen, it might be difficult to locate him. (But I will try.) Also need to find out where the TROON came from.
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Post by londoner on Sept 19, 2008 5:04:56 GMT -5
Tut Tut CT - you didn't read what Cornish maid & I found before you posted re TROON name!
Young Joseph s/o/ William & Mary was bp 2 may 1852 at Ludgvan (IGI)
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 19, 2008 5:09:01 GMT -5
A GREAT effort m'darlin's! I had just completed my last when I did a check of IGI looking for 'Johanna' bp. Ludgvan 1794 +/- 5 and found Joan Blight TROON. This is her - especially as her father was Wm TROON which would be the name assigned to the husband of Mary TREWHELLA. And now I also have the marriage thanks to you both. Now I need to locate marriages for a couple of other Joseph LOBBS to try and sort out a little mess I have suddently found myself in. (See my latest note re Joseph X2 bn. about 1834.) That part of things is now looking good thanks to you both. I will attempt to track a little more of William TROON and Jenifer BLIGHT but first must return to Mary TREWHELLA and William Troon LOBB. Mary and her sister Elizabeth (m. George MARTIN) are the only two members of that family that I have not tracked down properly so will concentrate on them for a bit I think. If you find any more little gems like that you know who to call!
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Post by londoner on Sept 19, 2008 5:32:55 GMT -5
Found Johanna and grandson William Hanry in 1871 - with daughter Jane and husband .
Elizabeth L Dudley 3 Francis Dudley 44 Jane Dudley 41 John Dudley 16 Joseph L Dudley 10 Richard Dudley 13 Thomas Dudley 5 William H Lobb 20 Johanna Lobb 76 mother in law
but no sign so far of William & Mary and their family
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Post by londoner on Sept 19, 2008 5:50:51 GMT -5
Elizabeth Ann & George Martin : 1841 Crowlas,1,Richard Martin,35,,Miner,In county, Elizabeth Martin,,40,,In county, Christian Martin,,21,,In county, Anne Martin,,15,,In county, Richard Martin,12,,,In county, George Martin,9,,,In county, William Martin,7,,,In county, Mary Martin,,3,,In county, Johanna Martin,,8m,,In county,
1851 George is lodger in Ludgvan - presumably his brother and married sister Christian Bennetts 32 Elizabeth Bennetts 2 James Bennetts 35 Daniel Martin 16 George Martin 19 Richard Martin 22
1861 George is alone in Wales and this looks like Elizabeth in Ludgvan (Canons Town): Elizabeth Martin,Head,M,,34,Dress Maker,Ludgvan Cornwall,, Robert Martin,Son,,7,,Scholar,Ludgvan Cornwall,, Elizabeth Ann Martin,Dau,,,3,,Ludgvan Cornwall,, George Martin,Son,,8m,,,Ludgvan Cornwall
1871 Wales - Llantwit Fadre Elizabeth Martin 43 Elizabeth Anne Martin 13 George Martin 38 George Martin 10 Richard Martin 2
1881 Llantrisant Glamorgan Wales George Martin 48 St Ives underground timberman Elizabeth A. Martin 53 Ludgvan George Martin 20 Ludgvan painter Richard Martin 12 Pontypridd Robert Chick 27 N Petherton son-in-law Elizabeth A. Chick 23 Ludgvan daughter Elizabeth A. Chick 2 Pontypridd grand da Bessie F. Chick 5 Pontypridd grand da Robt.C. Chick 7mo Pontypridd grandson
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 19, 2008 6:08:52 GMT -5
Not sure that any of this is helping with the other Thread but ..... Got caught going backwards with the TROON family for a few minutes as I decided to see what siblings Joan Blight Troon may have had. IGI has only 34 Baptisms for the family at Ludgvan and they involve a couple of other names of interest - TRESIZE and CURNOW - so will continue for a little bit and see if it helps. And William TROON appears to be the son of William and Elizabeth (nee VELLANOWETH) who married at Ludgvan 12th June 1763. Looks like there were only two TROON men having children baptised at Ludgvan - William and Roger - and it would appear they were brothers. William named a son Roger but Roger seems to have had only daughters. The Henry TROON who married Elizabeth CURNOW in 1795 looks to have been a brother to the William who married Jenifer BLIGHT. Just need to track down baptisms for William and Roger and then I should be able to move forward again.
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Post by londoner on Sept 19, 2008 6:20:33 GMT -5
I'm going to take my own advice and getout in the sun while it lasts - looks like Elizabeth died before 1891 at Llantwit Farde: George Martin 58 Maria Martin 44
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 19, 2008 6:40:04 GMT -5
Aw Gee! - while you two were busy posting I was still trying to compile my note. However, looks like we are going back into HELSTON for the earlier TROON families but I might leave that for the time being as, based on IGI, it is going to get a little confusing with a number of William TROONs baptised fairly close together. Johanna's grandson William Henry LOBB - any idea yet whose son he was? I have not yet started on the family of George Martin but will do so, along with your notes, after I cook something to eat. Will also have a bit more of a hunt round to see if I can track down William and Mary. They could be anywhere - including ITALY given that is where Mary's brothers were. Think I might re-check the Census first and then take a look at FreeBMD to see if anything turns up there. But food first!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 19, 2008 7:47:53 GMT -5
Thanks again Londoner. Have just started looking at the MARTIN side of the problem and remembered something I added in a post to David recently in another Thread. By accident I had found a Birth record in FreeBMD for Robert Trewhella Martin. Checked it out and it turns out he is the son of George and Elizabeth and obviously named after Elizabeth's father. I'll continue to put this lot together and then take a look at the rest of the Board as I have been neglecting it tonight.
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Post by davidkingmartin on Sept 19, 2008 7:55:44 GMT -5
This info. may be irrelevant, but perhaps not:
Elizabeth Ann Trewheller b.1827, m.George Martin (my dates are a few weeks "out" from those quoted on this thread). Father of Elizabeth: Robert b.1790. Mother: Mary Repper, b1790, Cornwall.
Siblings of Elizabeth incl. Mary 1823-1824 Mary 1824-. She married William Troon Lobb b.1820.
Other siblings: John 1818-1878 Robert 1830-1909. An earlier Robert died young. William 1820-1832.
Elizabeth A T died Pontypridd, Wales, 1883 aged 56.
All above ages "match" those quoted on this thread, where known.
George Martin: b1833. Parents: Richard and Elizabeth. Four children, incl. Robert, Elizabeth and George.
Source: unreliable! (trawling on internet). More detail available.
The Martins may not necessarily be relatives of mine.
David.
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Post by londoner on Sept 19, 2008 8:14:07 GMT -5
Joseph s/o Joseph married Sarah TREZISE 6th April 1856 at St Erth and I have two children for them (Joseph 1856 and Francis 1859).
The 1856 Joseph was bp 28 Sept 1856 @ Ludgvan to Joseph & Sarah. No sign of them in 1861 (England or Wales) so probably gone wherever William & Mary went!
Haven't identified William Henry's mother - if not Mary could have been one of Johanna's daughters Grace d 1869 Johanna m William Harris 1845 so not her Jane m Francis Dudley not likely to be her Elizabeth cant find after 1851 Also cant find their brother Henry after 1851 was there a mass exodus of Lobbs from Ludgvan?
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