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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 4:57:33 GMT -5
Hi folks
In about 1793 Alice Quick, nee Tremearne, widow of James Quick, wrote her will. Among the lucky recipients was one young girl, Alice Quick, daughter of Grace May.
After a fruitless search for a marriage between a male Quick and an Alice May I decided to look at the St Ives baptisms and found a baptism for a bastard child named Alice Quick May, baptised on the 24th March 1780.
So I am thinking that the middle name might suggest that one of the two widows sons, Paul or John, may have been responsible for the issue. Perhaps there would be a record of the father of young Alice May being required to support her - would anybody know where I might look for that?
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 3, 2008 2:15:15 GMT -5
Guess what?  - I have an opinion on this. ;D Just who was the father of young Alice Quick May is the question and Lannanta has suggested the possility of either Paul or John, the two sons of Alice Quick as named in her Will. I think John can be safely eliminated because I believe it was he who married Johanna Paynter in 1779, the year before young Alice was born. Paul married two years afterwards, in 1782, and had a son named Hopkin Walters Quick. Alice named young Hopkin Walters in hier Will as son of Paul so I think we could probably eliminate Paul also. So where does that leaves us? The widowed Alice Quick (widow of James) had another son, James, who was baptised in 1746. James was not mentioned in his mother's Will so it is probable that he pre-deceased her. BUT he was not forgotten - because I believe it was he who was the father of young Alice Quick May and he died before being able to marry Grace May. How does that sound? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2008 3:18:48 GMT -5
Hmmm, so that would mean that the two children, James & Mary baptised in 1746 and 1748 respectively in St Ives actually belong to James Quick and Alice nee Tremearne and not James Quick and Alice nee Bauden (of St Hilary and Ludgvan) as I have them recorded - it certainly makes sense and there are any number of burials that allow for the disposal of these two prior to the will of their mother Alice.
Of interest is that the three children mentioned in the will were all baptised at Zennor which may or may not tell us something.
I think that you probably rightly exclude John, but Paul was a mariner, no offence intended ;D and he certainly could have been wayward with his affections prior to his marriage??
It is a pity that the mother of Alice May did not seek out and name the father so as to obtain assistance in the upbringing.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 3, 2008 5:52:13 GMT -5
What we need to clinch this is the burial for James.
If it occurred within a reasonable time of the baptism of young Alice then I think the problem is solved.
However, you are right about Paul and some possible pre-marital fillandering but my interpretation of the Will is that Alice was the daughter of neither John nor Paul.
But let's see if we can get that data on James.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 3, 2008 6:24:08 GMT -5
What we need to clinch this is the burial for James.
If it occurred within a reasonable time of the baptism of young Alice then I think the problem is solved.
However, you are right about Paul and some possible pre-marital fillandering but my interpretation of the Will is that Alice was the daughter of neither John nor Paul.
But let's see if we can get that data on James.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2008 14:50:58 GMT -5
CT There was a burial for a James Quick on the 4th December 1780 at St Ives. So if this was the James in question, he would have been alive at the birth, but maybe he was sick by this time Unfortunatley I do not have any information on the burial other than the date. If this is not the man then the real man may have been a mariner and one of the unfortunates who never came hoime - like his brother Paul. Lannanta |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 3, 2008 16:11:14 GMT -5
That may well be him! But let's look at a couple of other angles on this one. It seems reasonably obvious that James pre-deceased his mother and had died prior to the writing of that Will in July 1787. So if there is no other James Quick buried before then I should think we have our man. But there is one player in this whole scenario we have completely ignored - GRACE MAY! If James did live for nearly 12 months after young Alice was born then there was a reason for him not legitimising her by marrying Grace. As his mother looked after Alice in her Will it is painfully plain that the relationship was acknowledged. It could just about take out the 'don't know, don't care, not my problem' side of things as far as James was concerned. And that leads us to another possible answer - GRACE HAD DIED! In that case there could be no marriage.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2008 21:43:58 GMT -5
CT I have another Quick problem which I think includes this same Alice Quick nee Tremearne, as I said I think. Firstly I have a copy of a will written by James Quick, mariner, of Zennor, who wrote the will because he was about to depart on a voyage or cruise to sea. In the will he leaves everything to his wife Alice and makes her the sole executor. This will was written on the 1st September 1756.  Okay then, so on the 29th July 1775 administration is granted to the widow and relict of James Quick, late of the Parish of Zennor, who has allegedly died intestate, that widow being Alice Quick. But  on the 18th May 1787 the abovementioned (got that word out of the will ;D) will of 1756 is produced by the widow and the will is subsequently proved at Zennor on the 18th May 1787 with Admon granted to the Executrix named in the will. Now I have another document which I am guessing, and it is becoming more apparent as I try to lay it out, is concerning the same James Quick. This document is for the Administration of the goods etc of James Quick, late of Zennor, who died intestate. It is granted to three people - Alice Quick of Zennor, widow, John Quick of St Ives, master and Richard Jennings of the same place, shipwright. This document is dated 29th July 1775. Attached to this document is an oath, which includes the following - "you shall swear that James Quick your late deceased husband died without making any last Will or Testament so far as you know or believe". Admon grated to Alice Quick on the 29th July 1775 at Zennor. So I think that I have solved my own queries just by setting them out. That is, Alice did not know about the first will of 1756. James must have died some time between 1756 and 1775 and it was believed by Alice that he had died intestate. Prior to 1787 she came into possession of the Will of 1756 and presented it, as all good and noble people would. ;D Both documents therefore concern the same family. James Quick and Alice Tremearne. John Quick the master is their son, baptised 1753 and first married to Joanna Paynter in 1779, and later to Alice Quick, daughter of James & Catherine. Richard Jennings was the son in law of James and Alice being married to daughter Alice, and is most likely the person that the son John Quick, master, named his son Richard Jennings Quick after in 1789. Lannanta |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 5, 2008 7:25:35 GMT -5
Lannanta - I think, pending review, that I can agree with pretty well all your comments here. ;D But I do have to query why it was youngest son, John, who was involved in the Admon. and not one of his older brothers James or Paul. We know Paul was still alive because he married Prudence Walters in 1782. (And there is another oddity - I know she was daughter of Arnold and Prudence and I have their marriage and some burial details but I cannot find any further information about the family, including a baptism for Prudence!) And if my theory regarding Alice Quick MAY is correct then we know that James must still have been alive until about 1780 anyway. I will return to this later but have decided that I will first investigate Alice Tremearne's family. Looks like Alice was baptised 15th July 1715 at St Ives d/o Paul and Mary. And it also appears that this was Paul Tremearne's second marriage having first married Cecilia PEARCE at St Ives 14th January 1693. I can find only one daughter of that marriage, Elizabeth in 1694, and Cecilia was buried at St Ives in 1696. Support for the second marriage is that Paul and Mary Tremearne baptised a daughter Scisilia at St Ives in 1703. But there is one more thing about this family that could prove useful!  Somewhere in the back of my mind is the niggling thought that the name TREMEARN turns up at Zennor or Towednack sometime around 1700 or soon after and I think it has something to do with a Will. Shall investigate further and post my findings here. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 5, 2008 9:50:45 GMT -5
It appears at the moment that Alice TREMEARNE's brother Paul was the direct ancestor of Charles Newman TREMEARNE who married Mary Jane TREWHELLA at St Ives 11th June 1857.
The direct line includes Mariners, merchants and Gentlemen.
And it also begins to look like St Ives and Paul are the main Parishes involved with a scattering of the name at Perranzabuloe, Gwithian, Breage and odd events at Phillack, Penzance and Madron.
Next step might be to see if any of this can provide more information on the family of James and Alice (Tremearne) QUICK.
More as I find it.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 5, 2008 10:44:22 GMT -5
I have located that 'niggling' reference to the TREMEARNE family in my Wills  :- ANDREW HARVEY of Zennor Will written February 1712 Will proved 27th October 1713 daughters: CHRISTIAN MARY named: MARY TREMEARNE PAUL TREMEARNE MATTHEW MADDERN URSULA TREMEARN JOHN STEVENS grandsons: WILLIAM STEVENS ANDREW STEVENS named: EDWARD STEVENS MATTHEW STEVENS VIVIAN STEVENS brother: BENDIGO HARVEY grandaughter: ALICE STEVENS (exec.) witnesses: JOHN OLLIVER MATTHEW PHILLIPS ANN RETALLACK Just now I have no real idea how it helps.  I have not seen the original of this Will so do not know if there is anything else in it (even wordking) that might tell us more. And I have Andrew's daughter Mary as having married Matthew MADDERN at Zennor in 1693. But I now have doubts about that having looked at the details of the Will again. That remark was purely because Andrew HARVEY named his daughters simply as Christian and Mary. But then he mentions Paul and Mary TREMEARNE, Matthew MADDERN, Ursula TREMEARNE and John STEVENS and I now see things a little differently. Christian HARVEY m. William STEVENS at Zennor 22nd July 1689 and a son, John, was baptised in 1694 who appears to have been the eldest son. So was Matthew MADDERN a son of Mary rather than her husband? Was Mary widowed and then married Paul TREMEARNE? And who was Ursula TREMEARNE ? - that may be the key. More investigation now required. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 5, 2008 11:14:09 GMT -5
The plot begins to thicken. ;D JANE STEVENS, widow, of Gwithian written: 4 March 1679 proved: 8 March 1679 daughter: KATHERINE TREMEARNE 4 L son-in-law: JOHN TREMEARNE 1 sh. granddaughter: DORCUS TREMEARNE 3 L granddaughter: JANE TREMEARNE 3 L son-in-law: JOHN ELLIS 1 sh. daughter: JANE ELLIS 1 sh. 6 granchildren, ss & dd/o the said JOHN ELLIS 6 L between them when 21 son: JOSHUA STEVENS 1 sh. daughter-in-law: JANE STEVENS 1 sh. daughter-in-law: MARY STEVENS 1 sh. son: FRANCIS STEVENS 1 sh. granddaughter: JANE STEVENS 5 L granddaughter: MARY STEVENS 3 L cousin: JOHAN SANDERS 40 sh. cousin: NATHANIEL ROBERTS 10 sh. cousin: JANE HARRIS 2 sh. 6 d. HUGH GEENE 2 sh. 6 d. son: THOMAS STEVENS all the rest & executor Jane ( ) Stevens witnesses: JOHN CHARLES?, ALIS ( ) WHITE, JANE CHRISTOPHER Inventory 4 May 1680 by HENRY GUBMOE & JA: CRASE AP/S/1542 .......... William STEVENS m. Jane CARTHEW 17th June 1633 at Gwithian John ELLIS m. Jane STEVENS 9th November 1667 at Camborne Jane d/o John and Katherine TREMERNE was baptised at Phillack 14th October 1672 There is no marriage for John and Katherine at Gwithian or Phillack BUT there IS the following at Paul:- 27th April 1664 John TREMEUNE m. Katheren _______ ;D Dorcous d/o John TREMEARNE bp. 11th March 1664 at Paul Now, the questions is - was Paul TREMEARNE also a son of John and Katherine? I have not yet found another reference to Ursula but will continue looking. Suffice to say that this is getting most interesting event though it has diverted somewhat from the original query. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 15:20:29 GMT -5
Good evening
I was wondering if anybody had the marriage of John Quick to Alice Williams in 1825 at Germoe in their records?
The reason for asking is to see if the death/burial at the Madron Penzance Chapelry for Alice Quick in 1859 of Alverton Tce could have been the lady mentioned above.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 5, 2017 19:03:47 GMT -5
I had not placed that 1859 burial before but on looking at it now I do believe it might well be Alice Williams. My difficulty was that I had never been able to find Alice or John in the Census until the 1871 Census where John was listed as a widower. All I knew was that Alice died sometime between the 1825 marriage and 1871. But I have now checked all other Alice Quicks in my database and all other possibilities are accounted for so I will pencil Alice Williams in now as buried at Penzance 1859. BTW - in case you have not placed him I believe her husband was the John Quick baptized at Falmouth in 1802 son of George Quick and Mary Hosking. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 2:13:29 GMT -5
Good morning
Thank you for your research. I would agree that being Alice nee Williams seems to be the only logical option.
However, you have me at a disadvantage as I do not know who the George is that you refer to - other than he is likely the husband of Mary Hosking and married at Falmouth?
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- I have an opinion on this. ;D
on the 18th May 1787 the abovementioned (got that word out of the will ;D) will of 1756 is produced by the widow and the will is subsequently proved at Zennor on the 18th May 1787 with Admon granted to the Executrix named in the will.
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