Noall in General

[Cornish Terrier]

For those of you interested in the Noall family I have come across something that may be of use.

The end result came through a lot of hard work trying to sort out the Quick family of St Ives.

Now, I am not exactly sure about all of the Noalls just yet and have not linked many of the early families so this may be of interest to some and not others.

Andrew Noall, mariner, married Margaret Richards at St Ives 1st May 1785 and had two children that I know of, Andrew and Margaret.

Although I have not found a burial for Margaret I believe it was this same Andrew who married Jane Jennings at St Ives 28th June 1791.

By Jane I am aware of four children of whom the eldest was Simon.

Simon married 'Mary' and I have so far linked two children to him and it is his daughter, Mary, who is involved in my 'find'.

Mary Noall was born circa 1822 (probably at St Ives).

25th May 1841 at St Ives
George QUICK, mariner, son of George Quick, mariner
Mary NOALL, minor, daughter of Simon Noall
Witnesses:- Simon Noall, Thomas Williams

31st January 1848 at St Ives
John BRAY, miner, of Uny Lelant
Mary QUICK, widow, daughter of Simon NOALL
Witnesses:- Simon Noall, Thomas Williams

It was obvious this was the same girl but I had not found any details of the demise of George Quick.

That was until I checked the link to the West Briton Online and downloaded all 154 entries relating to Quick. (Even if some of those entries are for words like 'quicker' and 'quickly' )

I found out last night that George Quick died at St Ives 29th September 1844 at the age of 28.
I also discovered that his three-year-old son, also George, had died the previous day.

Now my main problem from here was that I had a baptism entry from the St Ives Primitive Methodist Register that was totally bewildering me.

George Quick c/o Robert & Mary Richards, shoemaker of St Ives was baptised 4th July 1855 (born 16th June).

For almost two weeks I could not find any reason for Robert and Mary Richards naming a child 'George Quick Richards'.
I searched FreeBMD for a marriage for Robert Richards to anyone named Quick and drew a blank.

And then I spotted a name that give me a thought - Mary BRAY.

I did another search (a little more thorough this time) through th St Ives marriages and found:-

5th March 1850 at St Ives
Robert RICHARDS, shoemaker, son of John Richards
Mary BRAY, widow, daughter of Simon NOALL
Witnesses:- Simon Noall, Thomas Williams

So if anyone just happened to be wondering whatever happened to Mary d/o Simon Noall - well there it is, she married three times and 'got lost'. ;D

Perhaps I should check to see if she might have married a fourth time.

[cornishmaid]

;D Ian, You have just made my day ;D. I could find no-one who agreed that Andrew Noall had married both Margaret Richards and then Jane Jennings ;D

I found a burial for a Margaret Noale, age 30, buried on 22 March 1790 at St Ives. This is the same date that daughter Margaret was baptised. The daughter was buried on 31 May 1791 in St Ives.

I am also aware of 4 children by Jane. Eldest Simon Noall married Mary Grenfell, and had 4 children that I can find: Simon 1819, Mary 1822, Jane 1826 and Richard 1832. (Richard is my 3rd great grandfather and no-one else seems to know he existed, even though he is the only child living with the Simon and Mary in the census returns ).

I had the 3 marriages of daughter Mary, born c. 1822, but didn't have a son to George Quick, so thank you for that

Good old Mary

[cornishmaid]

Oh, and I haven't found a 4th marriage for Mary yet... but one never knows

[Deleted]

CT

Sorry to distract you from NOALL, but was George senior, mariner, the son of Richard Quick and Honour JENKYN? I also have a note that his wife was Mary GREGORY.

Lannanta

[cornishmaid]

I would say so.

The parents of the George Quick that married Mary Noall were (as far as I can ascertain) George Quick and Mary Gregory who married 21 November 1802 at St Ives. Their first child was called Richard and was baptised 10 July 1803; two of their other children had the middle name "Gregory". Yet another of their children had the middle name "Jenkyn".

This would seem to fit in nicely. The only other George Quick that it could possibly be would be the one baptised to William Quick and Joan, which doesn't seem to fit at all.

NB: The middle name "Wedge" is also used for 2 of George and Mary's children, so some connection with that name may be of relevance

[Deleted]

Hi Cornishmaid

I have only recorded the first two of the children, Richard as you have already stated and;
George - 2nd June 1809 (buried I believe 4/10/1815).

Would it be possible to see who the other children were pleae?

Lannanta

[cornishmaid]

Certainly . The other children I have are:

William Gregory bapt. 24 March 1815
Mary Gregory bapt. 3 January 1817
George bapt. 30 August 1818
Charles Wedge bapt. 22 May 1820 (Twin to John Jenkyn)
John Jenkyn bapt. 22 May 1820 (Twin to Charles Wedge)
Thomas Wedge bapt. 19 February 1823

It makes sense that the first George would be buried in 1815, so I would say that burial you have is the correct one.

Hope this helps

[Deleted]

I see that a George Quick died the year before the marriage of George and Mary Noall. If you have access to the burial records do you know if this was George senior the mariner?

Allen

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Gang ;D

All Quick data displayed here is correct as I know it and Yes - George (father of George) is the one buried in 1840, a year before the marriage of his son to Mary Noall.

Cornishmaid me darlin' - would appreciate some more detail on that section of the Noall family (dates etc.) and also the marriage details for Richard. (I will no doubt find them when I work back through the St Ives Marriages but ....).

All seems to be progressing well here AND I sort of got away from the Quicks for a while.

Must check remaining messages then off to bed.

Hooroo 'til tomorrow.

[Cornish Terrier]

A little 'find' while I was offline over the last week or so.

I believe I can now say that I have found my 'Noall Link'.

For years I have had a 'dead end' with my ancesor William Noall who married Nancy Kernick at St Ives in 1810.

Their daughter Betsy was my 2xgt-grandmother and wife of Benjamin Trewhella.

Up until last week I had found information on all the children of William Noall except his eldest two daughters, Ann and Honor.

I knew of Honor because she appeared in the 1841 Census with the family but I still have only an approximate year of birth for her. (Cornishmaid - please?)
Honor was, according to Census records, born at St Ives about 1813.

Ann I knew of because I had found her baptism in IGI.

Whilst working through the St Ives Marriages I came across a marriage for Thomas TOMAN and Ann NOALL (d/o William) 6th August 1840.
Ann's age when married (as well as in the later Census) fits perfectly with her having been daughter of William and Nancy but the 'clincher' was that her sister Thomasin Kernick MICHELL was a witness. (Problem one solved.)

I then found a marriage for Honor Major Noall d/o William to John CRUSE at Lelant in 1858.

Next step was to see if there had been a NOALL who married someone named MAJOR. (Honor's age also fit very neatly with her being daughter of William and Nancy).

What I found was the marriage of Alexander NOALL to Honor MAJOR at St Ives in 1779.

Alexander and Honor had a son named William baptised in 1788 and this was a perfect match for 'my' William.

All evidence suggests I am correct but would welcome comments. ;D

[cornishmaid]

Nice to have you back

Unfortunately I haven't managed to find a baptism for Honor, born c. 1813, in St Ives. I also checked Lelant and Towednack but couldn't find her. Strange
The only Honor Noall I could find baptised around that time was daughter of James Noall and Eleanor Leddra, baptised on 16 January 1816

I still can't fit your Noalls in with mine, but I'm sure they slot together somewhere

[Cornish Terrier]

Another strange one - no baptism found for Honor.

I just had a similar problem with the Rowe family mentioned on another thread.
I have baptisms for all children of the family except the second last child. All were baptised at Madron and the the Census records show that the 'problem child' was also born in that Parish.

I am sure I have many other occurrences of this too ....

As for Honor - well I am now pretty much sure my summary is correct and I only came to the result shown by accident.
You see, Honor was just that in the Census - Honor.

It was only finding that marriage that gave me the link via the name 'Major'.

Next thing I need to do with the Noall family is to locate the information you have posted or sent me regarding your own line and have another look at it.