Joseph Glasson d 1720 mentions in his will sisters Mary Mitchell and Elizabeth Nicholas Kinsmen Peter Wallish, Jane Wallis and Joseph Paul of Sennen &
his wife Blanch Glasson, d 1724, mentions: Elizabeth daughter of Thomas Nicholas Elizabeth daughter of Joseph Paul Simon son of James Mitchell Arthur & James, sons of Nicholas Berryman of Paul Jane daughter of Peter Wallish
There was also an Eleanor Glasson buried at St Levanin 1694. Does anyone have any more information about there Gl?assons
Last Edit: May 20, 2008 8:15:45 GMT -5 by londoner
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 20, 2008 16:40:58 GMT -5
Let me try this for about the FOURTH TIME tonight.
Each time I wrote a reply earlier tonight I hit the 'go' button and lost connection without the message being sent. And each time the connection was restored I tried (unsuccessfully) again until I lost connection altogether for about five hours.
I cannot tell you much about Joseph Glasson or his family as he is basically 'out on a limb'.
The only knowledge of any relatives I have so far can be found in the two Wills (above) and via recent notes in the Mitchell thread.
However I can give you this much:-
Joseph GLASAN & Blanch ______ married 23 November 1678 at Paul
About all I have been able to find out over a number of years.
Just noticed that the version of the will on Kathie's database is slightly different -
JOSEPH GLASSON, husbandman, of St. Levan*
written: 3 Jan 1720 proved: not given
brother: JOHN GLASSON's children 1 sh. each sisters: MARY, MARGARET MITCHELL & ELIZABETH NICHOLAS 1 sh. each kinsman: PETER WALLISH 1 sh. kinswoman: JANE WALLISH bed & furnishings after death of my wife BLANCH & 3 L kinsman: JOSEPH PAULL of Sennen right in Chynoly? in St. Levan after death of my wife wife all the rest
So was it Mary or Margaret who was the mother of the Michell boys?
Sorry for butting in...but...Andrew Michell's Will of 1703 mentions, "My dear mother Mary Michell". I for one am going for Mary, not Margaret...one would think a son would know the name of his own mother. But where the hangman does Margaret fit into the Mitchell thread?
Seems reasonable to me that Margaret could have been sister - in - law to Joseph hence the 'sister' bit, but what has happened to Margaret MITCHELL? We already know that Mary was the mother of Andrew. Perhaps the 'Mitchell' bit was a 'typo' error. Speaking of which...should Nane Rawling really be Jane?
I think it more likely that Nane = Ann but without checking the original register coould be either. and I just found their marriage at Sancreed which also says Nane: 29 Nov 1655 RALINGE Thomas RANDELL Nane and looking down the same list just killed my theory - Blanch Rawling m William Rogers in 1694 so she's not the one - back to the drawing board.
I guess we need to look for a marriage of Margaret Glasson to a Mitchell to solve the Margaret Mitchell puzzle - but it was probably (like that of Mary to he who must now be considered the earliest James) before any of the available records if it was at St Levan. OR was she Mary-Margaret, just the one person?
Last Edit: Jun 5, 2008 11:19:34 GMT -5 by londoner
Problem with names....Mary/Margaret...Move on another 100years and in the 1841 census for Boscarne Vean we find MARY Trezise aged 29 and BIRANI Trezise aged 2 living with James Mitchell. However, on 10 Jan 1830 at St Buryan, JAMES TREZISE marries MARGARET Grenfell Mitchell, born 1812 and they have a child BONONI JEHABOD Mitchell Trezise (poor little begger...Just imagine..."Bononi Jehabod...tea's ready. Come and eat it before I give it to the dog") born 20 Dec 1839. Ages and names fit...except MARGARET became MARY in the census. Do we have a 'Margaret -Mary' problem in the Mitchell family? As for Birani/Bononi...should this not be the Old Testament name Benoni (Son of my grief/sorrow...mother Rachel died giving him birth but father Jacob later called him Benjamin) and Jehabod may possibly be Ichabod.
Last Edit: Jul 3, 2008 6:30:13 GMT -5 by tonymitch
Hi Tony, just checked 1841 and on the original it is clearly Margt - just a transcription error. Have you found James and the two older boys James & John anywhere in '41. Or even James in '51. Margaret & the children are in St Just in 51 and by '61 she is in Guernsey - widow. L
Hi there, So it is Margt....interesting how transcriptions can throw a fellow. Initially I had Mary with child (unknown gender) named Birani TREZIRE. Thought it was a girl! Haven't looked for any Trezises at all. Just discovered that Mary/Margaret was in fact Margaret Grenfell Mitchell. I had assumed that she was just 'staying' at Boscarne Vean during the census. Will look into this when I have a spare moment.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 2, 2008 8:26:59 GMT -5
Thought I would take another look at the Blanch Glasson problem for a few moments.
There are a number of problems with her identification as we all know.
1. We have no 'real' indication of where she was born although the fact she was married at Paul may be suggestive. 2. She was 'of St Levan' when she left her Will but is not buried there. 3. We have at least two Parishes, Sennen and St Levan, for which we have no available records for the critical period.
But there is another possible means to our end - as both Blanch and Joseph Glasson died in the 1720s then we 'should' be able to find a burial record for them.
I have checked Sennen, St Levan, Sancreed and St Buryan with no result. There is no indication of any connection with St Just or Madron at any stage.
And that leads us back to Paul.
Unfortunately I don't have access to Paul burials for the right time period either but ... logic suggests this is where they would be.
So, based on that I did a search (via IGI) on Paul baptisms for all girls named Blanch and found 16 'possibles' between 1628 and 1663.
Of those 16 there were three Tonkins, two Noys, two Roberts, one each of Wiles, Boson, Jenkyn, Thomas, Tremethack, William, Tremearne and Carbas for a total of 15.
And there was one standout - Blanch BERYMAN.
Bp. 2nd March 1643 at Paul d/o Arthur BERYMAN.
I have to assume here that I have pieced together the Berryman families at Paul correctly.
Amongst her siblings Blanch had a brother named Nicholas who had a son named Arthur.
I can find only one occurrence of an Arthur Berryman (var.) whose father was Nicholas and that is the above.
In her Will Blanch Glasson mentions a bequest to Arthur and James Berryman, both sons of Nicholas Berryman of Paul.
Her other bequests were similar to that in her husband's Will yet he did not mention the Berryman family at all which indicates a relationship to Blanch.
Nicholas Berryman had ten children of whom only two, Arthur and James, were sons and, although Nicholas died about 1707, it would appear that these are the men mentioned in the Will.
It is therefore logical that Blanch 'must be' Blanch BERYMAN. ;D
Being baptised in 1643 puts her at about 35 when she married Joseph Glasson and possibly accounts for their being no children from that marriage. (At least none that survived.)
And I think that it is at Paul we will find Joseph and Blanch buried having been there 'home' Parish.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 2, 2008 9:55:30 GMT -5
BTW - the earliest Glasson (Glazan etc.) at Paul is 1755.
in 1641 there are no Glassons mentioned at Paul, St Buryan, St Levan, Sennen, St Just or Madron.
But at Sancreed we find - Richard GLAZAN.
Let's see what we can find in the Sancreed OPRs:-
27th September 1610 Richard Glasen m. Elysabeth 29th January 1639 Martin Maderne jnr m. Mary Glazen
26th November 1610 John s/o Richard Glazon 27th December 1612 Marye d/o Richard Glasen ? January 1615 Thomas s/o Richard Glason 5th December 1617 Thomas s/o Richard Glasen 2nd November 1620 Sebell d/o Richard and Elizabeth Glazon 25th May 1623 Richard s/o Ric and Elisabeth Glasan
No more until 1747
3rd February 1622 Richard Glazon 19th October 1652 Elizabeth Glasson, widow
To end of 1749
So we know there was an early Glasson family at Sancreed - but where did they go from there? They were not at St Buryan or at Paul so, unless they moved quite some distance away and then returned, they must have been at Sennen or St Levan.
Now, returning to the identity of Blanch Glasson - there is one other possibility.
The Berryman children may have been children of her sister.
Nicholas Berryman's wife was named Dorcas and they were married at Paul in 1676/7.
So, searching only for someone named Dorcas baptised at Paul I found only one surname-match with the list above for Blanch.
That name was TREMEARNE but the problem there is that she was baptised in 1664/5 so would have been only 12 at marriage.
It is looking more and more like Blanch BERYMAN was the one who married Joseph GLASSON.