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Post by trees on Apr 28, 2008 12:07:17 GMT -5
I am interested in John BRAY b 1818 Gwinear who married first Elizabeth Jane HOSKING b 1822 Crowen M 1845 Crowen And second Grace LEACH b1838 Crowen. John is a son (of a direct line ancestor of my husband) Robert BRAY and Sarah nee RULE. Robert was born about 1782 but I don't know where any information would be welcome. Trees  |
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Post by cornishmaid on Apr 29, 2008 2:10:02 GMT -5
Hi Trees, and a big welcome Having spent about 4 hours yesterday looking for Robert's birth, I am still not much further forward. If you could post the children of Robert Bray and Sarah Rule, this might help with ascertaining Robert's parents. (It might not, but I lives in hope  ) So far I've found 7 children from the IGI, baptised in Gwinear from 1810 to 1828: Thomas, Robert, John, William, Mary, Richard & Joseph Going back to the marriage of Robert and Sarah, the IGI states they married in Gwinear on 18 JAN 1809, whereas Phillimore lists it as taking place on 18 JUNE 1809. Phillimore doesn't state that either party was from elsewhere when they married, so am presuming they both lived in Gwinear previous to their marriage. Back to Robert's birth, the only baptism I found in the right timescale so far is: Parish: North Tamerton; Robert Bray, baptised 3 March 1782; Father: Robert, Mother: Elisabeth. I'm thinking this location was too far away, however. In Gwinear, there were the following marriages: Thomas Bray & Mary Thomas 28 September 1771 Richard Bray & Mary Briant 11 May 1795 The IGI puts Robert's birth date at c. 1784, but it is standard practice for them to assume the husband was 25 years of age when he married. I have broadened the age range from 1779 to 1789. This might mean that Thomas Bray & Mary Thomas may have been Robert's parents, but I can't find a baptism as yet. Although the IGI seems to have Gwinear baptisms listed, I will take a trip to the Cornwall Centre and have a look at the baptism transcription there which covers 1737 to 1812. There may also be further clues on the baptisms of Robert and Sarah's first child. Will keep you posted  |
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Post by trees on Apr 29, 2008 3:18:10 GMT -5
Hi Cornish maid and many thanks for your hard work and interest. I have the same children for Robert and Sarah with the addition of another Joseph(1830) and a Sarah(18330 My husband 's ancestor was Richard b 1826 and we are in touch with a descendant of John.John's son was sent to Canada by Barnados and we would like to help his Grand son sort his line along with ours. The Gwinear Marriage register has 18 JUN 1809 for Robert and Sarah Rule both made marks wit Emader HIGGANS / John PENHALE # Church by banns (#signed as witness on many marriages) please can you check this for me? on the 1851 census Robert is 65 from Gwinear he died in1856 (from an Ancestry Website but that leave two possibles in Free BMD Dec qt 1856 Redruth 5c 191 and Sep qtr 1857 Redruth 5c 159 I think I need the burial reg for an age You can see what we have so far at www.mcmullin.plus.com/thank you again Trees |
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Post by cornishmaid on Apr 29, 2008 4:25:16 GMT -5
Hi Trees. Not a problem, am happy to try and help I'm afraid I don't have immediate access to the marriage or burial registers at the moment. However, at the Cornwall Centre just up the road from me they hold copies of the local newspapers, including the West Briton which covers the Hayle and Redruth area. While I am at the Cornwall Centre looking at the baptisms at Gwinear, I will have a look at the copies of the newspaper for years 1856 and 1857 to see if Robert's death is mentioned. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 29, 2008 10:33:52 GMT -5
Trees - Welcome from me also. Have been trying to take a look at this problem for you also and have had some difficulties. But - it would appear that Robert's first son was named Thomas and his first daughter Mary. I would use that as a starting point and consider that these were the names of Robert's parents. This, of course, brings in the 1771 marriage of Thomas and Mary as provided by Cornishmaid. But it still does not help us find his baptism.  I next tried the Census and had all sorts of trouble locating him. In the end I simply tried a search on every named 'Robert' appearing in the 1851 Census at Gwinear - and BINGO! The Index shows Robert BREA and wife Tally!  Robert is shown as age 65 and born at Gwinear. Sally (Sarah) is (looks like) 67 and born at Gwithian. From IGI I would suggest this is probably Sarah:- Sarah RULE bp. 2nd November 1788, Gwithian, d/o John and Sarah Hmmm - Phillimore & Taylor shows:- JAMES Rule m. Sarah Reed 26th December 1787 at Gwithian In the 1841 Census they are again at Gwinear but this time the name is indexed as BREY.  Robert (60) and Sarah (55) have with them children Mary (15), Joseph (10) and Sarah (8). About all I can do for now. Cornish Terrier |
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Post by cornishmaid on Apr 29, 2008 11:16:49 GMT -5
Well, a disappointing search today for your Robert Bray. I checked right through the baptisms for Gwinear; then I tried Crowan, Camborne and Gwithian, within the time scale I mentioned, and didn't find a thing. I checked Thomas Bray's baptism and that didn't yield any further clues, it simply said: Thomas Bray, of Robert & Sarah, bapt. 12 June 1810 I didn't have time to check the newspaper fiches I'm afraid to see if I could find a notice of obituary for Robert's death, but will try and do that tomorrow. My head hurts ;D |
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Post by trees on Apr 29, 2008 11:51:19 GMT -5
Thank you both for trying I have the 41 and 51 census then Robert died in 1856 from the Ancestry Website.Where is the Cornwall Centre please it sounds a good place to start when we get a chance of visiting please cornishmaid sit down with a nice hot drink and forget the Brays for a while you deserve a break you have been so kind We have lived with the problem a few years now but I'm sure we'll get it sorted one way or another in time. I've been cheeky and listed all my Cornish brick walls on the surname interest board so there's plenty to go on lol Trees |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 29, 2008 14:58:51 GMT -5
I have also had a look at Sithney, St Erth and Phillack to no avail.
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Post by cornishmaid on Apr 30, 2008 11:13:09 GMT -5
West Briton & Truro Advertiser - Friday 5th December 1856 edition Deaths: At Connor Downs, in the Parish of Gwithian, on Sunday last Mr Jonas Johnson aged 62 years, and Mr Robert Bray aged 74 years. Could find no entries in the 1857 edition I'm afraid  This would put his age at approx 1782, which doesn't quite fit in with his age in the 1851 census. However, the location would fit nicely as Connor Downs in just up the road from Gwinear. |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 30, 2008 11:27:22 GMT -5
From all information collated so far I would say that this is probably not far off the mark.
Perhaps we need look at the 'popularity' of the name in that part of Cornwall for that particular period but I am thinking that we may well have the person being sought.
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Post by cornishmaid on May 1, 2008 3:14:17 GMT -5
Have just noticed another item from the Great Briton which may or may not be of interest to you. Issue: Friday September 25th, 1857 - Deaths At Redruth on Monday, infant daughter of James Bray.  |
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Post by cornishglassons on May 5, 2008 6:16:41 GMT -5
I am interested in John BRAY b 1818 Gwinear who married first Elizabeth Jane HOSKING b 1822 Crowen M 1845 Crowen And second Grace LEACH b1838 Crowen. John is a son (of a direct line ancestor of my husband) Robert BRAY and Sarah nee RULE. Robert was born about 1782 but I don't know where any information would be welcome. Trees Hi Trees, Hope I'm not stating the obvious here but I have found one or two births, deaths and marriages in the West Briton by searching at this link: freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wbritonad/Good luck! Carole |
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