Just a wee bit off the track now....but still in regard to Zenobia and Thomas Quick Family (via Anthony).... We are hoping to get to Cornwall later this year (now that i think i have broken the back of the family history) and would love to walk in the steps of our ancestors. Do you know if there are any references to land ownership or where I would go online to try and find out this information. I guess it would be mainly around the villiage of Zennor?? Anything you can do to point me in the right direction would be super....Thanks again CT for all your wonderful help...Teresa
Here is a quick hint. Go to the Tinners Arms at Zennor and have a wee drink to fortify yourself. Walk out of there, turn left and head to the sea and go around the back of the church. Follow the track through the farms toward St Ives. You will pass through the farms that you will be familiar with from the census such as Wicka, Trevessa and the like. You will be walking on exactly the same track as they did.
I just had a peak on Google Earth and think I can see the track quite clearly. Do you know if any one has been able to establish old houses/structures in that area relating back to the early Quicks. Cheers Teresa
You won't have any trouble with following the track because they are extremely well used and have to be left in such a condition that they can be used by the likes of you and me. I would say that our ancestors used that particular one to get to church because that is exactly where it goes. In fact in some cases the track goes right by the doors to the houses, through the back yards etc - must be awfully disconcerting to have so many unannounced visitors??
I get the sneaking suspicion that the present farm houses and sheds etc are either the originals that have been added to or updated, but I am sure that some parts of them are very old. Trendrine for example still looks really old in some places and you get to that farm by walking along the sealed road.
Are you okay for carrying your bags etc as I can assist? ;D
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You should get hold of a copy of Wicca - my Farm by Jean Nankervis. lots of anecdotes about the local families and an outline Quick tree.
The "track" is known locally as the Church Path or Coffin Path - look out for the stiles with extra high stones at the side where the bearers would rest the coffin when carrying it across the fields to the church. One of my favourite bits is travelling from St Ives when you get to the point where Zennor church first appears and there are just a few fields to go. look at www.zennor.org/footpaths.html and you'll see what I mean.
Thanks you two for your advice and that site was great by the way. All these little bits and pieces help so much as we will have so much to squeeze into such a short time.... Bags looking like they might be pretty heavy Lannanta ;D
Last night my good friend Mr Google lead me to this message board discussion in respect of the Quicks of Cornwall and I was slowly reading through the first available page with the last post at the very bottom of page 1 being from you dated Apr 29, 2008 at 4:25am.
Then when I went onto the next available page, to my disappointment the discussion leaps forward to September 7, 2008.
The thing is I was really wanting to read your response to the previous post from Amy dated Apr 29, 2008 at 12:39am and in particular what you may have had to say about Generations 1 & 2 mentioned in her post.
My interest in this research comes about from my wife's grandmother Marion Dorothy Quick (b.Dec 1901 Hawthorn Victoria Australia). Her lineage back to Thomas & Zenobia is Frank, Paul, James, James, Robert, Paul, Paul, Francis, Thomas). Marion died April 2005 in the small country town of Berrigan NSW Australia having lived to the ripe old age of 103.
Anyway what has drawn me in particular to your responses on this board is that elsewhere across the WWW I keep finding lots of errors and seemingly baseless assumptions that seem to be simply copied from family tree to family tree. For instance, in my opinion, the 8 trees that I can access at Ancestry all "run off the rails" when they get to Thomas & Zenobia. Not only is the supposed lineage of Thomas Quick back to Devon families that seem to have children born in both Devon & Towednack within the same family but there is also the often repeated assumption that Sinobyl is a Surname and that Zenobia was born miles away in Poughill.
Given that the posts I'm referring to were so long ago in 2008 I'd be most interested to see where your research over the last 10+ years may have taken you to in respect of the families of Thomas Quick & Zenobia as well as Francis Quick & Elizabeth Paule.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 21, 2019 11:13:19 GMT -5
Just for the record - here is an almost verbatim copy of my initial reply to Peter via a PM.
Anything you read about Quicks in Cornwall beyond Thomas and Zenobia is, in my opinion, total rubbish. The name Sinobyl does appear in one of the early Bishops Transcripts but as a FORENAME and NOT a surname. It is merely a bastardization of Zenobia'. I have checked through all the surviving early BTs for Zennor and Towednack as well as the legible pages of the original Zennor Parish Register and the only Quick entries are:-
Phillipa daughter of Thom: Quicke and Synobye his wife baptized 22nd November (year not known but is probably about 1623 judging by surrounding entries) (she married Israel Michell at Zennor in 1640) Elizabeth daughter of Thomas Quick baptized 24th February 1628 Elizabeth filia Thome Quicke buried 4th April 1629 Anthony son of Thomas Quicke and Sinoby his wife baptized 5th October 1634
I very much doubt that there would be even one Family Tree on Ancestry that is accurate when it comes to the Quick family of Cornwall and any that mention any family before Thomas or even a maiden name for Zenobia are FANTASY!
Thanks CT. So the above response notes the Parish records for Phillipa, Elizabeth & Antony.
Your April 2008 post indicated that you were aware that Thomas and Zenobia had 6 known children with possibly two others and that you had Wills for three of the sons, Francis, James and Anthony.
My current understanding of this family is as follows:
Thomas Quick (b. bef 1600) married Zenobia (Synbbye) (b. bef. 1600) some time around 1619 in Zennor. Their children all born in Zennor were: - Francis (b. abt 1623 d.1689). He marries Elizabeth Paule (b.1622 Towendack d.1669 ) - Phillipa (bap. 1625 according to OPC transcription) - Elizabeth Quick (b. 1628 - d.1629) - John (b.1630) - Antony (b.1634) - James (b. 1636)
Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 21, 2019 21:15:33 GMT -5
I believe there are likely three more children.
Francis' prospective birth is, I think, taken from the Rosewall Deposition where the ages of many of the deponents were recorded. I don't have that in front of me right now to confirm the age given but in any case those ages would be arbitrary and based on when each person thought (or had been told) they were born.
For Phillipa the only clear thing is that she was baptized sometime during the period 1622-1625. The OPC transcription will have noted the penciled date (? 1625) which is written on the page but that is an 'educated guess' on the part of the archivists. After studying the other entries on that particular page and making comparisons with available marriage records of that period I have determined that about 1623 is more likely for PHillipa.
For daughter Elizabeth the dates are clear enough although you do have to enhance the images.
The other three children I have that are not on your list are included for a couple of reasons. First of all is the fact that there appears to have been but one Quick family in West Penwith in the first half of the 17th Century and secondly by name association.
EMBLYN - possibly born about 1636 - her inclusion is based on the record of her marriage at Gwithian in 1657.
John Robart and Emlen the daughter of Thomas Wicke (quick erased) desed were married
Their first daughter was named Zenobia (Nobe daughter of John Robart bp. 5th January 1660 Gwithian) and they had several children all baptized at Towednack. Although no marriage record has been found I believe she married James Woolcock who died at Towednack in 1729. I don't have a baptism for her but I believe the next daughter was Jane who married David Curnow at Towednack in 1692. And a third daughter, also with no baptism found, was Elizabeth who married Baldwin Hingston in 1700. There were also three sons. John Roberts wrote his Will in 1709 and it was proved in 1715 at Towednack.
JANE - again no baptism but possibly born around 1638. She married William Symons at Ludgvan in 1667.
THOMAS - no baptism and no marriage found but he married sometime during the early 1670s to an unidentified Prudence. Their children were Zenobia, Prudence, Thomas and Martha. Thomas was buried at Towednack in 1717 and Prudence remarried a month later to Hugh Geene at Towednack.
Thomas (b. bef 1600) can now be regarded as having a death date of before 24 Jan 1657.
Secondly while I can't find reference to Francis it seems that by relying upon the Hawkins vs Roswell Deposition that we might alter James to be born about 1632 instead of 1636. There is reference to a Thomas Quick of Towednack, yeoman, age 34 but he must surely be a different Thomas because that represents a birth date of 1646 and Zenobia would have been approaching 50 by that time.
Lastly, I'd come across the name Emblyn / Emblin a few times but it wasn't making sense until your advice above about the lack of Quick families in in West Penwith in early 17th Century. Your assumption in respect of Emblyn, Jane & Thomas is not only quite plausible on that basis alone but is certainly further reinforced by name association. I've used the same assumptions with other families in my tree including the Jephrey / Jefferie /Jeferies family of East Hendred, Berkshire.
So this then all leads onto Quick Generation 2 via Francis (b, bef 1623 d.1689)and Elizabeth Paule (b.1622 Towendack d.1669). Apart from their son Paul (b. 1651 d.1710) I have names but unfortunately quite conflicting date information for the following other possible children: - James (b abt 1645) - Thomas (b. abt 1647) - Edna (b. abt 1648) - Israel (b. abt 1652) - Francis (b, abt 1654) - Jane (b. abt 1657)
If anyone had any more information on this family it would be appreciated.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 22, 2019 11:26:58 GMT -5
There is reference to a Thomas Quick of Towednack, yeoman, age 34 but he must surely be a different Thomas because that represents a birth date of 1646 and Zenobia would have been approaching 50 by that time.
As indicated earlier the ages mentioned in these documents are likely to be less than accurate. Remember that this was the 17th Century and two hundred years later we still find ages in the Census, BDM Certificates and other documents that are often out by many years!
However, applying the same scenario as before regarding the number of Quick families in West Penwith, this Thomas is more likely to have been the son of Thomas and Zenobia. That Zenobia would by then have been approaching 50 is no great concern and I suspect she was probably several years younger. The rule of thumb that I apply for women to have been having children in those days is from about age 16 to about age 48. There would have been some having children a little younger and I have seen examples of a couple of women who would have been 49 or possibly 50. But I have seen many, many examples where the woman was about 48 - especially when you find a family where there were more than 20 children!!
Remember also that this Thomas is the one suspected to have married Prudence. Their first known child was named Zenobia and married in 1695 so there is a good chance she was born before 1677.
The family I have for Francis and Elizabeth is as follows:-
Israel - no birth/baptism details and also no marriage details but there are records of four children for him with the earliest known being son Francis who was buried at Towednack in 1669. Paul - also no birth/baptism or marriage details but married his cousin Jane Quick and had about 9 children. Edna - probably born before 1655 as she married Adrian Stevens at Lelant in 1673. Matthew - married Sarah Major at Towednack in 1685. James - nothing known about him but he is likely the father of the Israel Quick 'mariner of HMS York' whose Admon. was granted to his father James in 1710. Francis - buried at Towednack in 1690 Thomas - I believe he is probably the Thomas Quick who married Jane Jones sometime before 1695 and probably at Madron.