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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 17:56:19 GMT -5
Good morning
I am now trying to wade my way through three families where the father was named Richard QUICK, but, as usual for me, it is not clear which Richard is which and I am not sure whether or not my list of baptisms is complete enough to rely on.
The first family is three children Ann, Jane & Mary bap 1720 to 1724 in St Ives to Richard and Ann. My best guess for this Richard is that Richard c 1687 of Zennor and Ann being Ann LUKE married in Uny Lelant in 1719??
The second Richard occurs a generation later also in St Ives (St Ives must have been full of QUICKs??!!). He is also married to an Ann but I cannot find a marriage for them. I was thinking that this Richard may have been the son of Edward of St Ives or James of Zennor but that is also all hypothetical. Their children James, Richard, James, Elizabeth & William baptised betwen 1744 and 1758 in St Ives.
The final Richard is of the same generation as the previous one but is living in Ludgvan. His children Jane, Elizabeth, Ann & Richard were baptised in Ludgvan from 1744 to 1751. The baptisms do not name the mother so I have no idea who she is - or for that matter who he is.
I would appreciate any information that will help to establish who these Richards are and to which families they belong.
Kind regards
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 11, 2008 13:27:35 GMT -5
A very 'quick' response for now.
Richard#1
My records show him as bp. 1693 Zennor s/o William Quick and Elizabeth (nee Stevens) Married 1719 at Lelant to Anne LUKE.
Richard#2
My records show him as bp. 1714 Zennor s/o James Quick and Mary (MN not given in PR) married at Gwinear in 1701. James was, I believe, son of James Quick and Jane (nee Knight). Married 1743 at St Ives to Ann MATTHEWS.
Richard#3
My records show him as bp. 1718 Towednack s/o Henry Quick and Jane (nee Quick). Married 1743 at St Buryan to Elizabeth ROW.
You can add another child to this Richard. He apparently had a son named William who was named as executor in the Will of John Quick, his uncle, in 1777.
Very short answer but should have been in bed a couple of hours ago.
Still got to have a snack and a cup of coffee before I do get to bed though.
Hope this helps and I am 'reasonably' sure of my data but would welcome corrections if there are any required.
Ian
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2008 16:53:41 GMT -5
Hi Ian
Good to see you up and about so to speak.
The Richards all make sense with one little query only. You say that Richard #2 married Ann Matthews, however in the Phillimore it shows her as Elizabeth Matthews. Could she have been Elizabeth Ann??
Allen
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 12, 2008 1:49:34 GMT -5
An interesting question. My database records that the details of marriage were taken from the St Ives Parish Register where the name was recorded as 'Ann Matthews'. Details of the first three children are also from the Parish Register and the name, in each case, is recorded as Ann. The IGI shows the mother as 'Ann' in every case yet, as you say, Phillimore records her as 'Elizabeth'. I think we can put this down to an error in Phillimore and, I must say, I have found a few errors in those publications over the years. Just goes to show that nobody is perfect and it is, after all, just another Transcript. Now, I had information that Ann was the daughter of Abraham and Elizabeth Matthews (nee Pollard). Just checked IGI and Ann was bp. at St Ives 14th April 1719 d/o Abraham Matthews and Elizabeth. Abraham Matthews, of Sennen, married Elizabeth POLLARD at St Ives 28th April 1710. (Phillimore) So that should cover your question adequately I should think. Time to think about getting ready for work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2008 3:03:34 GMT -5
Hello Ian While looking at the various Richards I note that Peter Baragwanath QUICK was the son of Richard & Jenny BARAGWANATH who themselves were married at St Hilary in 1781. Typically I have not worked out where this Richard comes from as yet but while looking around I came across a court hearing where Peter B. took about removing a certain William QUICK from a dwelling in Trevelga. This William was the nephew of Betsey CHRISTOPHER (nee QUICK) and my best guess at the moment is that Betsey was the daughter of William & Elizabeth HOLLOW? Are you familiar with these QUICKs and if so can you shed some light on them. Allen
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 12, 2008 14:36:20 GMT -5
I have not yet identified this particular Richard Quick however I am certain that his wife Jane (Baragwanath) was the following:- Jane Baragwanath bp. 21st January 1752 at Zennor d/o John BARAGWANATH and Catherine (nee TREWHELA) I have four children for this couple with all baptised at St Ives. Peter B Quick was buried at Towednack 'of Trevalgan, St Ives' in 1853. Richard jnr was buried at Towednack in 1855 'of Trevalgan, St Ives'. William was buried at Towednack in 1855 'of Trevalgan, St Ives'. Jane I currently know nothing more about. And you are correct in your identification of Betsey Christopher's parents. Time for me to break off for a snack before bed. Be online again tomorrow night.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2008 18:36:18 GMT -5
Morning Ian
Yes, the name Peter was relatively uncommon in the QUICK family, especially in the 18th century. The two earliest ones that I have recorded are: 1. Peter, son of Beaton & Unknown, bap 30/8/1702 at St Ives, buried 17/9/1720 at St Ives. 2. Peter (Petrus), son of Richard & Alice WILLIAMS, bap 7/8/1803 at Gulval.
As these are the only two it perhaps follows that the marriage between Peter QUICK and Ann MATHEW at Paul on the 7/10/1727 was this second Peter. This couple had three children that I can find at the moment, Peter in Paul in 1728 and then Matthew and Robert in 1739 and 1743 respectivley, but in Ludgvan. I realise that I may be making an error here saying that these three children are siblings because there is an unexplained gap between them as well as a different parish.
The Peter above, bap 13/7/1728 at Paul, appears to have gone on and married Ann HICKIN in Phillack in 1751.
The next, and last, Peter that I have is the abovementioned Peter Baragwanath QUICK, bap 4/2/1782 at St Ives, son of Richard and Jane BARAGWANATH - Jane was from St Ives thus explaining perhaps the place of marriage. The nearest Richard I have to explaining him is the son of Richard and Elizabeth ROW, but the only reason I have to say that is this Richard is the nearest I have in age - he would have been 30 when he married Jane (bap 28/12/1751).
Appreciate your thoughts or anybody's input please.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 13, 2008 12:11:00 GMT -5
I have so far not yet allocated this Richard to any parents due to lack of at least reasonably convincing evidence.
However, after reading your note and taking another look at the possible candidates I must agree that Richard and Elizabeth (Row) could well be the prime candidates.
The elder Richard was 'of Ludgvan' when married and all children for whom I have baptisms were baptised at Ludgvan.
Ludgvan borders St Hilary so it becomes perhaps logical that Richard at St Hilary in 1781 belongs to the Ludgvan family.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2008 15:09:18 GMT -5
Hi Ian
Just as a matter of interest do you have Phillipa QUICK in your database? She is a stray for me that married Jakeh Glasson and has always been a mystery as to where she fits in. I do know taht her parents were Thomas Quick and Joan Williams (married 1798 at St Ives) but have not established the pedigree of Thomas.
Allen
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 14, 2008 0:53:10 GMT -5
This Thomas Quick has been another problem for me over the years and I just have not been able to determine where he might belong. I do believe he was married twice but I have not yet been able to determine if there were any children from the first marriage. Thomas Quick, of St Ives, m. Jane Michel at Zennor 12th May 1789 Jane was named in the Will of her father Robert (m. Jane Quick) in 1795 as 'Jane Quick'. Now - I could be incorrect here but I have identified Jane as being the only likely wife of a Thomas Quick who would fit the next scenario. And if I am correct then she died some time between 1795 and 1798. Thomas Quick, w., cordwainer m. Joan Williams at St Ives 11th June 1798. What is needed is a search for, and identification of, a burial for a wife of a Thomas Quick sometime before June of 1798. I would expect this to probably be at St Ives but .... Will have to try and tackle old Thomas Quick again in the near future but it ain't gonna be easy.
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Post by cornishmaid on Apr 14, 2008 4:02:30 GMT -5
I'm afraid I haven't had time to read the whole thread, but I have a couple of options for your latest post on this CT: You say that Thomas Quick, of St Ives, m. Jane Michel at Zennor 12th May 1789 and that she may have died some time between 1795 and 1798. (No idea how to copy part of your post into mine I'm afraid ). I have found 2 burials of Jane Quicks at St Ives, as follows: Jane Quick, buried 11 November 1795 Jane Quick, buried 26 September 1798 Unfortunately no ages are given. Now, as to the question of whether there were children from Thomas Quick's first marriage to Jane Quick, I found the following burial at St Ives which looked quite interesting at first glance: Jane MITCHELL Quick, buried 12 October 1797 I then, however, found a baptism of a Jane Michell Quick on 26 April 1795, but parents were Israel Quick and Catherine. I can find no other baptisms in the correct time scale at St Ives for any children of Thomas Quick and Jane Michell. There are baptisms for Thomas Quick and Jane but these range from 1734 to 1747, then another in 1799.
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Post by Isambard on Apr 14, 2008 9:28:58 GMT -5
-------- You -------- (No idea how to copy part of your post into mine I'm afraid ). ------. Cornishmaid-you should be able to do a normal copy and paste ie. mouse over the part to be copied from the original message to highlight it, copy it to your clipboard, then paste copied part from your clipboard into your message. Works for me Tom
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 14, 2008 11:11:26 GMT -5
As 'isambard' says it is quite easy to take part of my text to place into your message using the 'copy and paste' function. You can start your mouse pointer over the beginning of the section you wish to copy and then drag (whilst holding the mouse button down) the cursor to the end part of the text you wish to use. Then release the mouse button and the segment of text will be highlighted. Next step - Just above the 'Message:' panel you will see two toolbars. The top one is 'Add Tags:' On the second row of buttons go to the second last button which has a blue arrow pointing right. This button is called 'Insert Quote'. Click on it and it will add the following to your message: "" Now place your mouse pointer between ][ Right click Copy This will add the selected text to your message just like the following. This is very interesting and may help prove my theory. The second burial may be discounted as it occurred more than three months after Thomas married Joan Williams (11th June 1798). May have to account for a few other Jane Quicks before being able to say this is what I have been looking for but ..... Thanks again.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 14, 2008 11:14:56 GMT -5
Ooops - my example did not work properly. (I suspected it might do that.) Ok - I will try a different way of describing the initial part of things. When you click on the 'Insert Quote' button it will place something similar to the following into your message:- (Quote)(/Quote) Where I have used () substitute for [] and insert your copied text in between the two. Should work this time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2008 16:26:20 GMT -5
I see that when Thomas married Jane MICHEL in 1789 at Zennor he was listed as being of St Ives. Does that mean necessarily that he was born in St Ives, or maybe that he simply belonged to the St Ives parish?
The reason that I ask is that the nearest Thomas I have in my slowly increasing list of QUICKs is one baptised in Zennor in 1759 to Thomas & Elizabeth STEVENS. I was thinking that he may have moved to St Ives but I am not sure how the sojourner thing would actually work in this type of case?
Lannanta
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