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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 13, 2008 19:30:02 GMT -5
Allen - ref the following:-
I don't believe I have seen this one and do not seem to have any details of it.
If possible could you please send me further information?
Ian
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2008 20:46:33 GMT -5
Hello Ian
The reference to Bridget:-
A History of St Ives, Lelant, Towednack and Zennor
In 1769 Thomas Trenwith, Esq., of Saint Ives, is named in the list of subscribers prefixed to the new edition of Carew's ' Survey of Cornwall,' published in that year. This gentleman, who was a lieutenant in the Royal Navy and the last male of his ancient house (being the heir of his uncle, Renatus Trenwith, who was the heir of his father, Thomas Trenwith), in 1760 barred the entail of ' All that capital messuage Barton farm and demesne Lands of in or called Trenwith situate lying and being in the Borough and Parish of Saint Ives in the County of Cornwall then in the tenure of him the said Thomas Trenwith.' Shortly afterwards he devised the same lands by will to Rebecca Trenwith, and died in the year 1796. Rebecca Trenwith died in 1798, after having by will devised the fee simple and inheritance of Trenwith unto the heir or heirs of her great-uncle, Henry Trenwith deceased, provided they could be found, and subject to pecuniary legacies to her servants, Jennipher Leggoe and Bridget Quick, spinsters. If a direct male heir could not be discovered, the estate was to go to her cousin, ' William Lander's son of Plymouth Dock.' In 1803 the heir of Trenwith was advertised for ; it was stated that the said Henry Trenwith was captain of an East Indiaman, and died in India circa 1790. No heir appeared, however, and William Lander took possession, and afterwards sold to divers persons.
Lannanta
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Post by pinky on Oct 12, 2011 3:17:07 GMT -5
Hi
I've just joined today having seen this post.
I'm interested in the Lander Family of St Ives.
In my tree I have:
William Lander and his wife Dorothy and their children
Anna Betty Brown Lander b 1806 St Ives Theodora Rose Lander b 1808 St Ives, d 1843 Exeter John Snelgrave Trenwith Lander b 1809 St Ives, d 1842 Stoke Damerel, Plymouth William Augustus Frederic Lander b1811 Falmouth Henry Renalus Clinton Lander b 1813 St Gluvias Emily Faithful Fortescue Lander b 1816 Breage, d 1816 Breage Louisa Dorothea Lander b 1819 Breage.
I'm interested as some of the middle names of the children i.e. Trenwith, Renalus and Fortescue and thier father William Lander seem to tie in with this post.
Any ideas on how they might fit in?
Thanks, Pinky
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 12, 2011 4:29:12 GMT -5
Hi Pinky and welcome to Penwith Genealogy. The names in this family suggest the possibility that William Lander (husband of Dorothea) might have been the 'cousin' referred to by Rebecca Trenwith. William certainly seems to turn up at St Ives at an opportune time also with his first child baptised there in 1806 - just three years after the advertisement went out for the 'heir of Trenwith'. Finding and proving that link at the moment is a bit of a challenge but I am a little further than I was before I read your post. I now know that William Lander, junr, of St Ives married Dorothea Browne at St Gluvias 25th February 1805 and that a Wm Lander, possiby his father, was one of the witnesses. William may have been baptised at Antony 7th June 1778 son of William and Elizabeth Lander but I have little information to go on other than this record in FamilySearch. Antony is directly across the Tamar from Devonport and Plymouth so the location ties in with Rebecca Trenwith's reference to Plymouth Dock but I have no records for Antony and have not yet been able to find a marriage for William and Elizabeth via other sources. I will do some more research on this as I would be interested in the link between the families also. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 13, 2011 3:06:39 GMT -5
Well, we have yet another example of errors in printed works! The extract presented by Lannanta mentions that Thomas Trenwith died in 1796 leaving the estate of Trenwith to Rebecca Trenwith who in turn died in 1798. I now have copies of both Wills but even before I received them I checked the St Ives Burial records:- Thomas Trenwith was buried at St Ives 14th October 1796 No problem with that but ............ Rebecca Trenwith, spinster, was buried at St Ives 26th October 1796Rebecca was buried just twelve days after Thomas who was actually her brother. But so far I have been unable to find any record of birth or baptism for either of them. Thomas Trenwith wrote his Will 30th September 1796 and aside from the Fee Simple of Trenwith he also left 'my ffield or moor under Penbeagle' as well as the residue of his estate. Rebecca was also named Executrix. 'On the first day of December in the year of our Lord one thousand sevenhundred and ninety six administration (with the Will annexed) of all and singular the Goods Chattels and Credits of Thomas Trenwith late of the Borough of Saint Ives in the County of Cornwall Esquire Deceased was granted to the Reverend Lewis Morgan Clerk, Nathaniel Hickes and John Stevens Esquire the Executors of the Will of Rebecca Trenwith spinster now also Deceased ___ ____the sister of the said deceased sole Executrix and Residuary Legatee named in the said Will having been first sworn by Commission ____ to Administer the said Rebecca Trenwith survived the said Testator but died without taking upon her the Execution of the said Will' CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 13, 2011 3:22:45 GMT -5
The Will of Rebecca Trenwith was written 20th October 1796 and proved at London 19th November 1796. It is more than two pages so I will simply try to list the beneficiaries and then see where the information might lead. Elizabeth wife of Nathaniel Hickes of St Ives - One Hundred Pounds Miss Sarah Price daughter of Mr Evan Price of St Ives, mariner - One Hundred Pounds Miss Mary Morgan daughter of The Rev. Lewis Morgan of St Ives, Clerk - Fifty Pounds William Morgan and Catherine Morgan, son and daughter of the said Lewis Morgan - Twenty Guineas each Mrs Mary Rogers wife of Mr Rogers of point? - Twenty-one Pounds John and Jane, son and daughter of Mrs Jane Hawkins - Twenty Guineas each Mr Richard Hichens son of the late Thomas Hichens of St Ives deced. - Twenty Guineas Ann Leggo spinster, 'my servant' - Twenty Guineas Jennipher Leggo spinster, 'my other servant' - Eight Pounds per year payable quarterly during her natural life out of my Barton (or Estate) of Trenwith in the aforesaid Borough of St Ives with a Power of distraining for the same on non-payment thereof when due Bridget Quick of the same Borough, another servant Eight Pounds per annum etc. out of Trenwith (same conditions) “Also I give devise and bequeath unto William Landers son of Plymouth Dock in the County of Devon the Fee Simple and Inheritence of the Barton of Trenwith and other my Lands in the aforesaid Borough of St Ives provided no heirs of my Uncle Henry Trenwith can be found out to possess the same and to his heirs and assigns for ever but not otherwise”“Also I give and devise unto the Revd. Lewis Morgan of the aforesaid Borough of St Ives Clerk, Nathaniel Hickes and John Stevens Esqr. of the same Borough the aforesaid Barton of Trenwith and other my Lands in the same Borough or elsewhere in Trust for the heir or heirs of my Great Uncle Henry Trenwith aforesaid subject to the payment of the aforesaid several annuities payable thereout and aforesaid” “Lastly all the rest residue and remainder of my Goods Chattles Ready moiety?, money in the Funds or Bank of England I give and bequeath unto the Children of my cozn. William Lander of Plymouth Dock aforesaid and do hereby appoint them, the aforesaid Lewis Morgan Clerk, Nathaniel Hickes and John Stevens my Executors in Trust to see the several matters in this my last Will and Testament performed" Witnessed by Sarah Morgan, Jane Hichens and Jane Price Guess I went past the 'simple' stage but the last few paragraphs seemed important enough to show in more detail. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 13, 2011 4:23:30 GMT -5
This seems to get even more complicated! When reviewing the list of available Trenwith Wills I notieced three others of possible interest One was for a Renatus Trenwith of London dated 1682 which was of interest because of the name. Unfortunately there is no mention of family in Cornwall. The next was that of Henry Trenwith, mariner, dated 1702 which again seems to have no mention of Cornwall. But the third ............................. Elizabeth Trenwith of Penryn dated 1759 is three and a half pages followed by two codicils. The Will was actually written 5th March 1749 and Proved 2nd January 1759 but the Probate details do not seem to be included. It will not be easy to transcribe this Will and I am not even planning to try just yet. But it begins with mention of the Poor of St Ives who receive 'no pay from the Towne' to be bequeathed five pounds. Thereafter there is mention of Penryn and Falmouth and numerous relatives including her brother William Williams. Mentions of cousins Parminter in Bristol as well as Thomas cousins in Bristol along with 'kinswoman' Hicks of Plymouth. And then there is 'cousin Thomas Trenwith' gets a 'Guinea of Gold to buy a Ring in Remembrance of me together with his uncle Renatus Trenwiths Picture and his Grandfather Trenwiths Hatchment?'. She then mentions her cousin Henry Trenwith and cousin Rebecca Trenwith and, interestingly, her widowed cousin Rebecca Launder of Hellstone. There are more bequests and provisions here before we get to the most interesting section of the Will - the mention of Trenwith itself! It appears that Betty Parminter is named 'heire' of Elizabeth Trenwith and then:- “I do hereby order and direct that my said Executors shall Pass? Accounts with the person who shall be Heir or Inheritor of the Lands and Inheritance of Trenwith after my decease on Account of my holding those Lands in Jointure for my Life and my Will and Meaning is that they my Said Executors shall be accountable to such Heir or Inheritor as aforesaid for all such Sum and Sums of Money as I shall or may have received yearly out of the said Lands over and above the annual Sum of Fifty Pounds Sterling Free and clare of and from all Rates Taxes Charges and Reprizes whatsoever in the manner and according to the Form and Method of the Accounts already made up and passed by me with my Cousin Thomas Trenwith Provided always and my will and meaning is that if my said Cousin Thomas Trenwith or the Heir or Inheritor of the said Estate and Lands of Trenwith for the time being shall neglect or refuse to pay unto my said Executors all such sum and sums of Money as shall be due and owing to me at the time of my death either in my own Right or in the Right of my late daughter Elizabeth Trenwith deceased out of the said Estate and Lands of Trenwith aforesaid within a reasonable time after my death or if the said Thomas Trenwith or the Heir or Inheritor of the Estate and Lands for the time being shall put my said Executors to any unnecessary Costs and charges in recovering the said debts then and in such case all every and singular the Legacies hereby above given and bequeathed to the said Thomas Trenwith Henry Trenwith and Rebecca Trenwith respectively shall cease to be paid to all intents and purposes whatsoever and I do hereby impower and authorize my said Executors and the Survivor of them to pay over unto my said Heire Betty Parminter all such sum and sums of Money as shall come to him or their hands by and out of the Residue and Remainder of my Real and Personal Estate after payment and satisfaction of my debts Legacies and Funeral Charges and of all Costs and Charges of executing and performing the Trust hereby in them reposed taking her Receipts of discharges for the same which shall be as good and effectual in the Law as if She was Sole and unmarried or to lend the same or all or any part of the Legacy given to my Cousin William Thomas ………………………………..” In the first Codicil the amount left to Rebecca Launder is reduced from Thirty Pounds to Ten Pounds. A further sum of Ten Pounds is then left to be equally divided among ‘such child or children as she shall have living …………’ Cousin Rebecca Trenwith is bequested an additional Five Pounds over and above the Five Pounds already bequeathed. The second Codicil reads ‘And I do hereby also Give and bequeath unto my Cousin Thomas Trenwith the further sum of twenty Pounds to be paid or allowed him on Settling Accounts with the Executors upon my death’ dated 20th December 1753 Not easy to read but I think it gives us some idea. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 13, 2011 4:55:05 GMT -5
A little progress! Mr Renatus Trenwith married Mrs Elizabeth Williams 14th October 1707 at St Gluvias I believe the deceased daughter Elizabeth will be:- Elizabeth daughter of Renatus Trenwith, Gent. baptised 19th June 1708 St Ives This now indicates that this was the 'uncle' Renatus Trenwith whose Picture was bequeathed to Thomas Trenwith. Now we just have to fill in the gaps! CT
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