Trestrail family

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Richard Trestrail (b.1832 Crowan) married Patience Eustice (b.1838 Crowan) , s Richard Henry Trestrail (b,1861 Crowan) s Francis James (b 1863 Camborne) d Elizabeth Mary ( b. 5 dec 1865 Crowan) s John Eustice ( b. 1868 Helston) d Lily ( b.1873) d Sarah Jane ( b. 1875 Camborne) s Edward ( b 1879) I can only trace one branch of the family fairly well that of John Eustice Trestrail.. I know that Richard was the son of Richard Trestrail ( b 1767 d 27 june 1846) He married Ester Smith ( b abt 1796 , d 1879 Tuckingmill), I also think he had a previous marriage to Susanna Smith ( 13 Aug 1827 in Helston Parrish Church)
I doubt that all this data is correct. I hope to get any confirmation I can

[Cornish Terrier]

I do not currently have enough records available for the Crowan area so may be of very limited help at the moment.

However:-

I know that Richard was the son of Richard Trestrail ( b 1767 d 27 june 1846) He married Ester Smith ( b abt 1796 , d 1879 Tuckingmill), I also think he had a previous marriage to Susanna Smith ( 13 Aug 1827 in Helston Parrish Church)

I think there must be a typo here with the year of birth of the elder Richard Trestrail.

Have you checked the relevant Census Records and BDM Records for these families?

I will try and see if I can find any PR information regarding Crowan but, at this stage, cannot promise any positive result.

You could try the Online Parish Clerk for Crowan who may be able to help.

If you do a web-search on "OPC" you should find the site ok.

Will try and have a bit of a look round and see what I can find.

What may prove interesting in the long term relates to the only Trestrail I have in my database. (Information is second-hand and I have not yet checked it):-

23rd July 1743 - John TRESTRAIL married Mary TREWHELYEA (Trewhella) at Kenwyn

I currently have no children recorded for this couple so things may become interesting.

Ian

[londoner]

In 1841 at Cathebedron, Gwinear:
Richard Trestrail 74 (cooper)
Esther 45 (copper miner)
Richard 7
Mary 15

1851 Richard 16 is possibly the one at Gwithian, servant in the Christophers home.

1861 at Halan Coose, Crowan
Richard 28
Patience 22

1871 at Penponds, Camborne
Richard 36
Patience 31
Richard 9
Susan I 7 ( i think this must be Francis James)_
Elizabeth Mary 6
John 2

1881 at Penponds, Camborne
Richard 49
Prudence (!) 42
Richard H 19
Francis J 17
Elizabeth M 16
John E 14
Lily 8
Sara j 5 (dumb)
Edward 2

1891 at Penponds Richard 59
Patience 53
Mary (Eliz) 25
Lily 18
Sarah 15 idiot
Edward 12

at Roskear fields
Richard H 29
Lucy 29
Esther Ann 2
Henry Trestrail m Lucinda Hosking apr/may/jun 1882 Redruth 5c
289
Lucinda Mary b & d 1885
Lucinda age 33 d 1893
Richard Henry m 1894 Jane Eathone Redruth amj 5c 320

1891 Camborne
Francis J 28 Gardener
Lydia 38
Gertrude 1

Francis James Trestrail m Lydia Thomas Jan/feb/mar 1889 Redruth 5c 312

1901 at Penponds
Patience 63 widow
Mary 35
Sarah 26 imbecile
Edward 22
William Lang 28
Lillie Lang 28
Lillie J Lang 2

William Lang m Lillie Trestrail oct/nov/dec 1892 Redruth 5c 369

1901 Camborne
Lydia 48 (married so Francis must be away somewhere)
Gertrude 11
Winifred Clemens - neice 7

1901 at 9 Centenary Row
Henry (Richard?) 1862
Jane 1861
Esther Ann 1890

There is a birth 1908 R Ruth 5c 186 Richard Henry L Trestrail who might be a further offspring
Deaths for Richard Henry 1918 and Francis James 1914
There is a possible marriage for Edward 1906 to either Eliza Jane Mitchell or Mary Elizabeth Odgers.
I haven't followed up John E as you say you know about him.

Family search has user submitted details for Richard the Elder (1797) as son of Richard Trestrail who m Alice Johns 7.Nov 1760
He in turn was the son of William & Elizabeth b abt 1735 Thes would need further research to confirm.
I guess poor Elizabeth Mary stayed at home to help look after Sarah - interesting how the description of her problem changes over time.

Hope this helps

[Cornish Terrier]

Thankyou 'londoner' - you are doing a wonderful job here.

I do not currently have the resources to scour Crowan so will leave this in your capable hands whilst I work on other things for which I have some information or knowledge.

If you have read all new messages you will find that Mike may have helped me find the parentage of a direct female ancestor so I have been a little excited about that and trying to pursue a few things there. (See the Trewhella Thread.)

Must check any further new messages before I head off to bed.

Ian

[strayler]

Hi Guys,
I only discovered this site today & thrilled to find a site with so many helpful people.
Richard Trestrail & Ester Smith are my 3x greatgrandparents. 'londoner' is spot on with her research ( Francis was in South Aficia during the 1901 Census & the family followed him in 1903 & Edward married Eliza Jane Mitchell- Richard Henry Leonard is their son).
Richard & Ester isn't a brick wall - it appears to be a Cornish granite hedge! The earliest reference to Richard Trestrail & Ester Smith I found is the bapt. of Alice, 28 Sept 1823, Phillack, dau of Richard Tristrail & Ester Smith. I have found no evidence of a marriage between Richard & Ester- the closest being Richard Trestrail & Susanah Smithin 1827. After that their children were bapt in Crowan with both parents listed as Trestrail, & one later in Gwinear.
The main problem comes from the conflicting evidence of Richard & Esters DOB. Richard's death cert looks to be "27 June 1846 aged 60" On the West Briton site for 3 July 1846 it gives his age of date as 60. But the age given in the 1841 Census for Richard is 74 (I realize that ages given are unrealable in the census). But there is a Coroners Inquest dated for 28 Jan 1841 on the West Briton Site for the death of Elizabeth Trestrail aged about 6 dau of Richard Trestrail aged about 74 & mother "who is much younger" (Elizabeth was bapt at Crowan 21 Sept 1835).
Familysearch has two "Richards" bapt within a five year time frame- Richard bapt 24 June 1762
son of Robert & Alice(Henwood) & Richard bapt 18 July 1867 son of Richard & Alice( Johns).
At least Robert & Richard were brothers whose parents were Richard & Elizabeth (Lee). Their marriage in 1714 was the earliest mention of a Trestrail in the Redruth Parish Register. Richard possibly came from Kenwyn - based on family search- but unable to prove it.

Dave.

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Dave and Welcome.

Whilst not immediately able to help on this one (I will look further into it) I will make a couple of comments.

If 1714 is the earliest record of the name in the Redruth PRs then it goes without saying that the family were from elsewhere.

IGI shows the name early in the 1600's at Kenwyn but a look at my 'Handbook of Cornish Surnames' shows the possibility that the name may have originated in Probus.

But this does not help the immediate problem of the mid-1700's so we need to look at what options might be available.

Have you checked on the availability of Trestrail Wills, for example.
Another option might be to check the A2A Catalogue for references. That is a resource that can be quite useful.

If Kenwyn looks like being near the forefront of the picture I would suggest contacting the Online Parish Clerk for some help.

Unfortunately the Kenwyn PRs don't seem to be readily available apart from some scattered information so the OPC would be worth contacting.

I never looked at the Kenwyn PRs when I was in Cornwall but now wish I had done so.
Unfortunately, as there did not seem to be a lot I required from that Parish, I decided that what I already had via IGI was enough.

Woe Is Me!

I have only one Trestrail connection in any of my families - John TRESTRAIL married Mary TREWEELA in 1743.

Many years ago I received information from one Rev Canon Barfett who had delved into the Trewella family history as his son had married a Trewella girl.

He had the above-mentioned marriage recorded as having occurred at Kenwyn 23rd July 1743.

There is no sign of this and nor of any children to John and Mary in the IGI.

But the event is certainly recorded in Boyd's Marriage Index as 1743 so I must wonder where Canon Barfett found the exact date.

And I wonder if there might be a connection somehow to your own Trestrail family?

I will take another look at this later on and see if I can find anything of help but otherwise consider my suggestions and let me know how you fare.

CT

[strayler]

Hi Ian,
Many thanks for that. The name Trestrayle is both a place name & occupation & still exists in Probus today. Kenwyn & Kea seem to be the main cluster of Trestrails during this time but I beleive that the IGI only has 50% coverage of Cornwall.
I have looked at microfilm of Kenwyn held at County Hall some years ago. Most of the bapt do not give the mothers name- just the fathers! I have also tried the wills but will no real breakthough.
One Will that I really wanted to view was of Peres Trestreale, of Illogan, 1581-2. Unfortunately this has been lost! His burial was recorded in the Illogan PR as 10 July 1581 & a "Jane Tristraile" was buried 10 July1597. This is the only example of any Trestrail being west of Truro before 1714.
We have, in the Cornish Subsidies of Henry VII, 1525 John ofCreed, 1543 John of Kenwyn & 1543 John of Veryan. Cornish Muster Rolls 1569- John of Kenwyn. C17 wills for Veryan, Tregony & Kea. Cornwall Protestant Returns 1641 John of Cuby, Symond of Kenwyn & John of Kenwyn. Hearth Poll Tax 1660 -1664 Hugh of Fowey, John of St Dennis & John of Cuby.

I checked my notes & found the the entry for John Trestrail & Mary Trewheller dated 23 July 1743 .
It is recorded in "Phillimore & Taylor, Cornwall Parish Register Marriages ,vol 22, Kenwyn 1662-1812". Phillimore & Taylor is similar to Boyd's. So it looks likely that the event took place.
It is possible that the entry was overlooked when the IGI transcribed the PR or they misread the entry.

Dave.

[Cornish Terrier]

Thankyou Dave - you've obviously done some searching on this family.

But we still obviously have a problem that needs some answers so I will keep a look out for anything that might help.

Your mention of the marriage of John Trestrail to Mary Trewheller appearing in Phillimore is most interesting.
I checked through all (I thought) Phillimore & Taylor volumes many years ago at the State Library of Victoria in Melbourne and must have missed that one for some reason.

I also downloaded quite a few additional Parishes from UK Genealogy Archives a few months ago but Kenwyn was not amongst them.

Will log in now and see if it is available as it may not have been when I last checked.

Will post a note here should I find anything of help.

Ian