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Post by cornishglassons on Aug 6, 2010 7:55:18 GMT -5
Hello Glasson researchers and in particular Carole You may have been watching the thread on Robert and Ann Glasson of Crowan: and noted that in the census we had a family predominantly calling themselves Glassons, when in fact that were Spurs. The marriage parish entry kindly supplied by CT shows that Robert was actually Robert Glasson Spur and that his father was Robert Glasson, an innkeeper. Robert Glasson Spur was illegitimate. My records only show one innkeeper in that era and that is Robert Glasson, baptised in 1789 at Crowan, and the son of William Glasson and Mary Williams and the Robert mentioned in this thread (1789) - became the husband of Margaret Rolls - and when their first two children were baptised in Falmouth Robert was said to be an innkeeper. So to start the debate I am suggesting that Robert, 1789, is the father of Robert Glasson Spur. As a matter of interest I have in my possession copies of the letters that were used to produce the document "The Glasson Saga" which essentially is the correspondence between a relation of the above Robert and that relation's son John in Australia. Some time ago I have made a reference to this Robert in my database and the note I wrote said that it had been suggested in the letters that he was an alcoholic. I would be interested in any discussion. Lannanta Hi Lannanta, Yes, I had read your recent discussions re the Glasson/Spurs, although I will read much more thoroughly now. I need to do that before I can make a sensible contribution. I am very interested in the letters suggesting Robert was an alcoholic. I too have letters - from John of Bookanan to his father back in Breage, but I don't recall that. Can I ask who your letters are from and to? I have a few notes I had written myself on Robert Glasson (11/04/1789 - 22/12/1833) who married Margaret Rolls from Dorchester, and agree Robert was an innkeeper - as was many of his family. Also Robert's sisters Eleanor and Hannah married brothers Francis and Emanuel Pool whose family were also innkeepers. Other random information I have on Robert is that he was listed in the 1832 Voter's List for Crowan. Although he was then living in Truro, he qualified to vote because he owned the lease of the St Aubyns Arms, Praze. In his father's will of 1814, Robert had been left "the brewhouse and premises at Praze," although his mother Mary had been left "all contents [of St Aubyn's Arms] and liquor." In his mother Mary's own will dated 1825 she left an income from the St Aubyn's Arms to most of her children - which confuses me somewhat - although perhaps the St Aubyn's Arms inn itself was different to the brewhouse and dwelling house (?). However Mary's will also states "I nominate Robert Glasson of Truro and James Pool of Crowan to keep the interest in the inn." My husband wonders if Mary owned the property but son Robert leased it from her. I believe this James Pool (1799 - 1862) was the brother of Francis and Emanuel Pool and therefore also from an innkeeping family. Although I later have James listed as owning an engineering company J &F Pool. I also have James Pool listed as marrying Mary Glasson (1800 - 1844). Going off topic a little, I am not sure exactly which Glasson branch this Mary belongs, but I did find a reference to her death in the West Briton dated 31 May 1844: "Sudden death on Thursday inst. as Mary Pool wife of Mr James Pool was going on horseback to visit friends in the Wendron parish, she had not reached more than a mile, when she obliged to ask a person she met on the road to assist her off her horse, which being done, she expired immediately, having it supposed ruptured a blood vessel. She was in her 44th year and left a husband and six children." Anyway, back to Robert: In the 1841 Census I found who I thought to be his widow Margaret listed as an innkeeper at Boscawan Street, Truro. However as she is listed as Margaret Simpson (although transcribed as Timpson). After Robert's death in 1833, according to Pallott's, Margaret married Joseph Simpson in 1835 in Truro. Joseph died in 1840 so before the census - wonder if he too was an innkeeper? The children from Margaret's marriage to Robert - Eliza, Robert (is this Robert Spur???), Margaret and Mary - live with her. In the 1851 Census however she is a glass and china dealer in the same street, now with eldest son William Rolls Glasson living with them. So without checking I am unsure if this Robert, born in 1826 is Robert Spur, or if father Robert had two sons, one legitimate and one illitimate??? I should be leaving now, so will check later. The Robert above later became the glass and china dealer and after Margaret's death was head of the household though still living with his siblings. I don't have a marriage listed for this Robert. I believe that Robert senior and Margaret's daughter Eliza also married into the Pool family - George Pool, whose father Thomas was a brother of Francis and Emanuel. Thomas was also an innkeeper of, again I believe but am not certain, of the Lamb and Flag in St Erth. George ran the Star Inn in Penzance, later the Victoria Inn and later still a wine merchant. While I am on the subject it was George's elder brother William Hawes Pool owned a wine and spirits company W. Hawes Pool & Sons. I have Robert Glasson and wife Margaret Rolls' eldest son William Rolls Glasson (1821 - 1903) as having a finger in a lot of pies also. At one point William was a house painter, a glazier and later ran the china and glass business. I also found him owning shares in the Great Western Railway, and there are many references in the Cornwall Archives due to buying and selling property, leases and purchasing insurance policies. Anyway, sorry I have rambled...though perhaps the above shows that Robert had amble opportunity to become an alcoholic!!!! Over the weekend I will have a look at the Robert Spur Glassons more thoroughly and perhaps can be able to answer my own questions. Best wishes, Carole
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2010 16:47:03 GMT -5
Hi Carole
Maybe I have read too much into the writings of John of Bookanon. He wrote to his parents from London on the 10th November 1829 and included in the letter was this note:
The Henry referred to would be the Henry who married Sarah Boase Glasson.
No, I do not believe so, I think that Robert Glasson Spur was born before Robert senior married Margaret Rolls.
I will let you have more time to get your thoughts in order and will look forward to your conclusions.
Lannanta
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2010 19:51:03 GMT -5
Hi Carole
Just as a matter of interest I would like to say that I think that you are correct to identify Margaret Simpson as the first wife of Robert. In the 1841 census she has 12 year old Margaret Glasson living with her and then in the newspaper in 1848 the following appeared:
Margaret Addalid was the second daughter of Robert and Margaret and Eliza was the first daughter.
Lannanta
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 0:21:19 GMT -5
Afternoon
I spent a lovely evening deciding that Robert, the wife of Mary Prout Reynolds must have been the son of William and Mary, when all of a sudden I realised that I already had that Robert married to Margaret Rolls.
Thing is though that there does not seem to be a logical place for my "second" Robert. He married Mary Prout Reynolds in 1813 at St Clements, he was said to be from Kenwyn, and during all the baptisms of his children he was said to ne a miller. They had a number of children including; Elizabeth, Philip, Robert, Mary Prout Reynolds, Susanna Williams, John Henry and Susan Ann - mostly baptised at Kenwyn.
When I look at the available Roberts that I have, and accepting that in the very least I do not have any records from Illogan, the only one that could find the bill would be Robert baptised in 1773 at Constantine.
Appreciate any thoughts
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 7, 2010 10:59:04 GMT -5
Robert Glasson Spur was baptised in 1816 so was aged about 4 when Robert and Margaret married. I notice that there has been no mention of Margaret Rolls' first marriage. I presume it is known but just in case:- William PAWSON married Margaret ROLLS 10th March 1816 at Falmouth Daniel Rolls son of William and Margaret Pawson baptised 22nd December 1816 at Falmouth Robert GLASSON married Margaret PAWSON 5th April 1820 at Falmouth I have not found anything for William Pawson and so far nothing further for son Daniel. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 7, 2010 12:55:32 GMT -5
Lannanta - I have been spending some time piecing together the family of Robert Glasson and Mary Prout Reynolds and may have a few things to offer. It looks like three of the children were buried at Kenwyn:- 30th March 1841 Mary Prount Glasson of Fairmantle Street age 20 17th January 1832 Susan Glasson of New Mills age 8 (Susanna Williams Glasson I think) 5th January 1832 Susan Anne Glassant of New Mills age 4 In 1851 Philip was at Mary-le-bone, MDX as a lodger to one Richard REYNOLDS age 64 who had been born at St Agnes. It turns out that Richard was a brother to Mary Prout Reynolds. Philip REYNOLDS married Rebeckah PROUT 26th December 1784 at St Agnes Richard bp. 6th August 1786 St Agnes Mary Prout bp. 24th October 1790 St Agnes I have found a little more than this for son Robert. Robert GLASSON, major, tailor of St Clement (son of Robert Glasson, miller) married Grace JORY, minor, spinster of St Clement (daughter of John Jory, smith) 12th July 1846 at St Clement by Banns. Witnesses were John Jory and John Glasson In 1851 he was at Lemon Street, Kenwyn with his wife and sister-in-law Sally Jory. I believe this will be Mary Prout Glasson:- Mary Glasson of St Clements age 68 buried 21st February 1858 at Kenwyn This little piece of information may have helped me identify Robert Glasson for you. I have not been able to find Robet in the Census .................. at least not by searching for Robert! Armed with the burial information for Mary I just tried searching for her in 1851 and ........... BINGO! East Rosewin, St Clement Robert GLASSON, head, marr, 80, formerly miller now a pauper, St Anthony in Roseland Mary do., wife, marr, 60, St Agnes Age slightly out ........... but that would just about make him the man you have suggested. Robert son of Robert and Elizabeth Glasson bp. 19th December 1773 Constantine Philip son of Robert and Elizabeth Glasson bp. 26th March 1786 ST ANTHONY IN ROSELAND I reckon that might help. And that would then indicate:- Robert Glasson of Bosvigo Lane age 90 buried 30th October 1860 at Kenwyn. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 7, 2010 13:34:53 GMT -5
That, of course , makes Robert's parents:- Robert GLAZEN, miller of Crowan married Elizabeth ARTHUR, spinster by Banns 8th May 1768 at Crowan Now to find some more kids for them. BTW - if you don't have it already there was a daughter named SUSANNA baptised at Constantine 2nd February 1772. The Constantine transcript shows the father as William but I have checked the original and it is certainly Robert. The children I have for them so far are:- Robert (born about 1770) bp. 19th December 1773 Constantine Susanna bp. 2nd Feburyar 1772 Constantine Philip bp. 26th March 1786 St Anthony in Roseland That would nearly make Robert the son of Robert and Susanna although he would have been only about 19 when he married. But we still have the husband of Eleanor Thomas who would be close to the same age. However I think the husband of Elizabeth Arthur was also a long-liver:- Robert Glasson of Churchtown age 85 buried 19th April 1833 at Kenwyn Hmmm - or he could be the Robert buried at Crowan in 1809 age 69. (He would be from Camborne I think and born about 1740) CT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 15:05:55 GMT -5
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Many thanks for that - I sort of got there as well last night but I do not think that I would have picked up Susanna as not being the daughter of William. I have the above children for Robert and Elizabeth Arthur suggesting that they went back to Kenwyn for a while for baptisms.
I will do some more pondering now that I have your insight to help me along. I think that I have tried to trace the Constantine family before and got lost so maybe another go won't hurt.
Still busy putting the power on, day 5 of the earthquake aftermath now. I think we are getting there although we had a very stroing wind the night before last which did nothing but add to the carnage. Light drizzle today with the winds quiet.
Lannanta
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 15:32:18 GMT -5
CT So do you think that this Robert could have said that he was a bachelor twice? The thing that got me going here was a marriage between Robert Glasson and Elizabeth Jane Trestrain at Truro St Mary in 1854, he being a tailor and son of Robert a miller - but he does say that he is a bachelor!! Actually I have just answered my own question - the census shows that he was married twice - der!! Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 7, 2010 16:57:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you mean by the 'Census shows that he was married twice'. 1851 and 1861 both show that he was a tailor born Truro about 1820/1 but that is about all. However, a comparison of his signiature on both marriages shows extreme similarities. And 'a' Grace Glasson died in the March Qtr 1853 Truro R.D. I am not sure where she is buried though but it does not appear to be Truro St Mary, St Clement, Kenwyn or Kea. But I am satisfied that it is the same Robert on both occasions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 17:12:19 GMT -5
CT I have all the censuses combined together and then sorted by families, individuals etc. That way I can follow people through the various census. In 1841 Robert was son of Robert and Mary In 1851 head of household - Robert and Grace In 1861 head of household - Robert and Elizabeth; etc Can be very enlightening at times. Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 7, 2010 17:23:23 GMT -5
Lannanta - I recall we have had some small discussion on part of this in the past. Elizabeth Jane Trestain/Trestrain was baptised at Truro 5th October 1834. And on that same day was baptised Mary Hannah Trestain who later married John Trewhela at Truro. Parents were Richard Trestrain and Mary Clemow who married at Kenwyn 26th November 1829. The people transcribing the Truro records have the surname as TRISTRAM but in IGI it is TRESTRAIN. Both married as TRESTAIN. CT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2010 21:09:48 GMT -5
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At this stage I cannot see a family for the Robert who married Elizabeth Arthur and I am pretty confident that we have the right connection for the Robert who married Eleanor Thomas and the one who married Jane Hampton.
Somewhere we are missing a birth for a Robert, or he was a lot older at his wedding that I have imagined.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 9, 2010 4:13:05 GMT -5
What we have here is a DilemmA! We have two Robert Glassons but only one baptism. 1. Robert Glasson buried at Cubert 9th February 1834 age 84Husband of Eleanor Thomas and father of eleven known children. Named a daughter Susannah BUT she was the LAST CHILD and baptised 23 years after the marriage. 2. Robert Glasson buried at Kenwyn 19th April 1833 age 85Husband of Elizabeth Arthur and father of six known children. Named a daughter Susanna BUT perhaps significantly she was his second known child and FIRST DAUGHTER. From the information available (assuming accuracy of age):- 1. would have been born about 17492. would have been born about 1747/8The one baptism we have is 15th October 1749. I have one 'wildcard' although you probably already have a link for him. 8th November 1741 Camborne - transcribed as ROBIN but in IGI as ROBERT son of John Glasson. If one or other of the above was this one then he would have been in his 90s when he died. BTW - I have searched through the relevant years in the Crowan PR and cannot find another entry that might have been missed. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 9, 2010 4:16:56 GMT -5
Another BTW Robert Glasson buried 9th February 1834 at Cubert age 84 - resident of Cubert So WHO WAS THIS:- Susanna GLASSON buried 19th January 1834 at Cubert age 85 - resident of Cubert Susanna was buried exactly three weeks prior to Robert and is actually the preceding entry in the register. CT
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