William Glasson - St Aubyns Arms

[cornishglassons]

Hello,

I wondered if anyone could help me with information on the St Aubyns Arms Inn at Praze which was once in possession of the Glasson Family of Crowan.

The first Glasson I know that was the Innkeeper was William Glasson 1755-1814 and it then passed to his wife Mary Glasson nee Williams 1758-1823 and then their daughter Eleanor Pool 1784-1867.

Any information on the St Aubyns Arms would be good but I especially would like to know when it was built and if it was in the Glasson Family prior to William.

Many thanks!

[Cornish Terrier]

G'day to (I presume) a fairly new member.

I cannot, at the moment, help much but will offer what I can.

I wondered if anyone could help me with information on the St Aubyns Arms Inn at Praze which was once in possession of the Glasson Family of Crowan.

The first Glasson I know that was the Innkeeper was William Glasson 1755-1814 and it then passed to his wife Mary Glasson nee Williams 1758-1823 and then their daughter Eleanor Pool 1784-1867.

Any information on the St Aubyns Arms would be good but I especially would like to know when it was built and if it was in the Glasson Family prior to William.

I do not have much information about Crowan families at the moment and I must say that I cannot immediately help with information regarding the St Aubyn's Arms Inn.

Is it the Inn that is almost opposite the Crowan Church.

Given time, and some further information, I may be able to find people to help you regarding the Inn itself.

I do have some books on Cornwall here but they are still in boxes and I am unsure as to whether any of them covers this Inn.

I think I have a book about the 'Inns of Cornwall' but it would not, obviously, cover them all.

But all is not lost.

I do not have, currently, a lot of information on the Glasson family outside the Towednack area but can offer the following.

I believe your William Glasson to have been baptised at Crowan 2nd August 1755 (all information currently from IGI) as son of Robert Glasson and his wife Susannah.

From the information I currently have William was the youngest of 7 children.

My records indicate that Robert Glasson died about 1788 and that he was a 'yeoman'.

He left a Will for which (somewhere) I have an abstracted copy which I will need to search for. (Be in a box of information somewhere in this new abode.)

Without further information it would appear that William 'may' have been the first of your family to be involved in the running of this establishment.

I will look forward to anything further you may add and will, as I can, try to pursue other avenues to track down the information you require.

Actually - the CRO should have records of St Aubyn properties which may help shed some light on your dilemma.

Another avenue may be to search the online records of A2A.

Keep me informed and I will do my best for you.

Ian

[cornishglassons]

Hello Ian - many thanks for your welcome and reply, and many apologies as I only noticed it this evening.

Yes, I believe the Inn is opposite Crowan Church - though I won't definately know until I visit the area in April. Any information you have to flesh out the basic BMD information would be extremely helpful.

I do have William's will and see the Inn passed through several generations of Glasson and then Pools.

The Pool family owned the Cornish Mount Inn in Crowan, and as two sons of Frances Pool and Alice Symons married two daughters of William and Mary, both inns were run by the Glasson/Pool families. Frances Pool and Eleanor Glasson were in charge of St Aubyns Arms, and Emanuel Pool and Hannah Glasson the Cornish Mount.

A third Pool son, James b 1799 in Crowan, married another Glasson girl, Mary b 1800 but she is not a sister of Eleanor and Hannah and I have yet to trace to which Glasson family she belongs. Can I ask if you have a Mary Glasson b 1800 in your line?

I am so glad for your opinion agreeing with me that William was the son of Robert and Susannah, as I have found some information online contradicting that. And yes, the 7th child, though I do have a 8th, Elizabeth b 1857. I have not found any link between his father Robert and the inn (or any inn) although he seemed to own many properties in the area. In Robert's will he leaves a property called Trethanas but I have not been able to locate exactly where that is although there is a Trethanas Gardens now in Praze.

But thanks so much again Ian. I am a real newbie at this so please forgive my niave questions and ramblings. I'll look at the A2A.

Best wishes,
Carole

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Carole,
Firstly - I do not have a record of a Mary Glasson born/baptised 1800 so unable to help there at the moment.

My details of the children of Robert and Susannah Glasson are all from IGI some I am a little sceptical about the details but I believe I found enough to suggest that 'your William' was their son. (If evidence is found to suggest I am incorrect I will happily concede.)

One concern is that my database on this family was last updated in April of 2001 and, as stated, was based on IGI.

I think we are probably right about William but I would dearly love to have access to Crowan records to help prove things.

Now - as far as I know I do not have details of William's Will so would appreciate that data if you could supply it.

Also of interest would be details of his marriage.

Must leave this now so I can check the rest of the Board before having some food and getting to bed.

Will try and look into this further in the next couple of days - given my Internet Connection holds up for a little longer.

Ian

[trees]

Hi, I have just found a connection with the St Aubyn's Arms But I have in 1861 that James POOLEY was a butcher and Innkeeper there. Have the Pool family anything to do with the POOLEY family? Has anyone got a photograph of the Inn? My connection is through the daughter Louisa Alma POOLEY who married Joseph BRAY in 1888
Trees

[trees]

Now looking a bit further into the newly found section of the family and re reading your posts I think this is going to all join up.
My James POOLEY who was the Inn keeper at least from the 1841census was married to Eleanor SEMMONS I think she was b 2820 to William and Jane she had a sister Prudence now could they be something to do with the Alice Symons you mention this is intreging
trees

[cornishglassons]

Mar 4, 2008 12:07:54 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

One concern is that my database on this family was last updated in April of 2001 and, as stated, was based on IGI.

I think we are probably right about William but I would dearly love to have access to Crowan records to help prove things.

Now - as far as I know I do not have details of William's Will so would appreciate that data if you could supply it.

Also of interest would be details of his marriage.

Hello Ian,

After a visit to Crowan last month I am in a better position to, belatedly, answer your questions.

William Glasson (1755 - 1814) married Mary Williams (1758 - 1823) on 26 Feb 1781.
Their children were:
1. William 1781 -1843 (later William of Falmouth) m Elizabeth Mogg
2. Mary 1783 - 1855 m her first cousin John Glasson III of Breage(8 of their children emigrated to NSW, Australia and whom the book 'The Glasson Saga' is based).
3. Eleanor 1784 - 1867 m Francis Pool
4. Henry 1786 - 1824 m Sally Boase Glasson (unsure of the connection here)
5. Robert 1789 - 1833 m Margaret Gibbons Rolls
6. Hannah 1798 - 1864 m Emanuel Pool (brother of Francis, above)

Brief details of William Glasson's will dated 30 June 1844 were that he left personal effects £1500-£2000. Sole executor was son William Glasson. His bequests were:
To wife Mary - St Aubyns Inn, Crowan. All the contents and stock of liquor. £10 annuity out of rents from his tenements in Tremayne.
To son Henry - tenement called Burnt Down. Moiety in the inn/public house in Crowan Churchtown.
To son Robert - tenements in Boswidden, Camborne. Reversionary rights in tenement of Trethanas in Crowan. Brewhouse and premises at Praze.
To daughter Eleanor (wife of Franics Pool) - 5 houses in Crowan Churchtown
To daughter Mary (wife of John Glasson) - annuity of £15 payable out of rent from estate of Tregennen in Crowan.
To daughter Hannah - two tenements called Rock Downs. Annuity of £5 from his estate of Tregennen.
To son William - residue of the estate - tenements, mines, good, chattles etc.

When I visted the church on Crowan there was a plaque in the church dedicated to Francis and Alice Pool (parents of William's son-in-laws Francis and Emanuel).

Hope that helps - it was so good to visit the area and walk in past Glasson footsteps and have a glass of wine in the St Aubyns Arms!

Best wishes,
Carole

[cornishglassons]

Apr 28, 2008 11:53:12 GMT -5 trees said:

Hi, I have just found a connection with the St Aubyn's Arms But I have in 1861 that James POOLEY was a butcher and Innkeeper there. Have the Pool family anything to do with the POOLEY family? Has anyone got a photograph of the Inn? My connection is through the daughter Louisa Alma POOLEY who married Joseph BRAY in 1888
Trees

Hi Trees,

Yes I have wondered about the Pools and the Pooleys myself, and all I can say is I have not found a connection - the Pool was sometimes written Poole, so my gut feeling is there WAS a connection but what it is I have yet to find.

Although the Pooleys lived there in, as you say, the 1860s, my research tells me it was still owned by the Pools as in 1894 the premises were advertised to let and applications were to be sent to Arthur Pool at Parade St, Penzance.

Incidentily many of the Glassons/Pools (Pooleys?) were in the brewery game! As well as the St Aubyns Arms and the Cornish Mount in Crowan, the innkeeper of the Lamb and Flag Inn at St Erth was Thomas Pool 1796-1863, and George Pool 1823-1898 (husband of Eliza Rolls Glasson) was innkeeper of the Star Inn in Penzance, once known as The Hames Hotel. The famous smuggling inn, The Ship Inn at Porthleven was owned by Joseph Glasson b 1779 (brother of John Glasson III who married his cousin Mary Glasson). Interestingly Joseph was married to Mary Carter, daughter of the famous smuggler The King of Prussia. Mary became the innkeeper herself after Joseph was taken on board a King's Ship by a press gang in 1810 and never seen again!

Back to the St Aubyns Arms, I do have photographs of the inn - is there any way I can post them here, or if you contact me privately with your email addy then I will happily send them to you.

Were any more of your Pooley ancestors innkeepers?

I'll certainly let you know if I find a Pool/Poole/Pooley link.

Best wishes,
Carole

ps it's interesting about the butchers also - although there were outbuilding and extensions to the St Aubyns Inn, and what is now the Post Office in Praze is next door, I wonder if that was used as the butchers shop?

[cornishglassons]

Apr 29, 2008 7:58:20 GMT -5 trees said:

Now looking a bit further into the newly found section of the family and re reading your posts I think this is going to all join up.
My James POOLEY who was the Inn keeper at least from the 1841census was married to Eleanor SEMMONS I think she was b 2820 to William and Jane she had a sister Prudence now could they be something to do with the Alice Symons you mention this is intreging
trees

That's really interesting Trees. There seems so many links and connections - keep me in touch with all you find, as will I.

Best wishes,
Carole

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks for that information Carole and very glad to hear you enjoyed your stay at Crowan.

I don't have time right now to study your note in depth but I did notice one thing that I can comment on.

4. Henry 1786 - 1824 m Sally Boase Glasson (unsure of the connection here)

I have a Sarah Boase Glasson in my database and I expect this is probably your Sally.

Of course it is 'possible' there may have been more than one girl named Sally (Sarah) Boase Glasson but ......

Sarah Boase Glasson bp.18th February 1784 at Paul

She was the third of eight children but I have not yet pursued the family as far as who any of them married.

The parents were:-

George GLASSON, gent., married Sarah BOASE 15th June 1780
(Sarah married with the consent of her parents.)

This direct line goes back via Madron to John and Honor Glasson and the 1715 Admon. of John Glasson.

It could be they were kin as there was more than one family from the Paul and, particularly, St Buryan area (Berryman for one) who had connections with the Crowan area.

[cornishglassons]

May 5, 2008 10:28:07 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

I have a Sarah Boase Glasson in my database and I expect this is probably your Sally.

Of course it is 'possible' there may have been more than one girl named Sally (Sarah) Boase Glasson but ......

Sarah Boase Glasson bp.18th February 1784 at Paul

She was the third of eight children but I have not yet pursued the family as far as who any of them married.

The parents were:-

George GLASSON, gent., married Sarah BOASE 15th June 1780
(Sarah married with the consent of her parents.)

This direct line goes back via Madron to John and Honor Glasson and the 1715 Admon. of John Glasson.

It could be they were kin as there was more than one family from the Paul and, particularly, St Buryan area (Berryman for one) who had connections with the Crowan area.

Yipee!!!

Thanks, Ian - I have come across interchangeable Sally and Sarahs before on other sides of my family. Although we now think of them as seperate names, I was told that there used to be much confusion between them and Sally was actually an old nickname for Sarah.

So that's brilliant as Sally/Sarah was the only Glasson in-law I hadn't traced. Thanks so much!

Of course, now I'll need to search for any connection (other than this marriage of course) between the Crowan/Camborne Glassons and the Paul/Madron ones. I'll let you know if I come up with anything...!?!?!

What you can perhaps tell me though is, I have found nearly a dozen marriages between Glasson first cousins - was this norm in 18th/19th century Cornwall? My guess is that it was to keep the money/property in the family, but just a guess.

Thanks again!
Carole

[Cornish Terrier]

What you can perhaps tell me though is, I have found nearly a dozen marriages between Glasson first cousins - was this norm in 18th/19th century Cornwall? My guess is that it was to keep the money/property in the family, but just a guess.

Carole - I probably should be wondering to myself just why that question has not reared its head on this Forum until now.

At least in West Cornwall this was quite a common practice as I have discovered over many years.

I have a very interesting link in my own family.

Martin Trewhella m. Joan Lembry at Towednack in 1758.

My direct ancestor, Martin's brother, was William Trewhella who married Ann Cock at Towednack in 1767.

William s/o Martin married Catherine d/o William
Matthew s/o Martin married Alice d/o William
Christopher s/o Martin married Phillis d/o William

Matthew s/o Christopher and Phillis married Mary Roach who was daughter of Robert Roach and Mary Trewhella.

This Mary Trewhella was daughter of William Trewhella (s/o Martin and Joan) and Catherine Trewhella (d/o William and Ann) above.

Another child of William and Catherine was Matthew Trewhella.
Now this Matthew married Hannah Trewhella who was the daughter of the Matthew and Alice also mentioned above.

Confused yet. ;D

In fact there are three and possibly four consecutive generations here where first cousins married.

And somewhere along the line there is a marriage to a Quick which was yet another first cousin event.

And I have hardly started!

Ian

[cornishglassons]

May 5, 2008 15:57:51 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

My direct ancestor, Martin's brother, was William Trewhella who married Ann Cock at Towednack in 1767.

William s/o Martin married Catherine d/o William
Matthew s/o Martin married Alice d/o William
Christopher s/o Martin married Phillis d/o William

Matthew s/o Christopher and Phillis married Mary Roach who was daughter of Robert Roach and Mary Trewhella.

This Mary Trewhella was daughter of William Trewhella (s/o Martin and Joan) and Catherine Trewhella (d/o William and Ann) above.

Another child of William and Catherine was Matthew Trewhella.
Now this Matthew married Hannah Trewhella who was the daughter of the Matthew and Alice also mentioned above.

Confused yet. ;D

Oh totally confused (LOL) but glad to know the Glassons weren't the ones to keep it in the family - when first cousins married and their children married your siblings child, meaning everyone's son in law was also your nephew and your mother in law was nearly always your aunt!

And if when an outsider was introduced, your siblings invariably married their siblings!

Can you imagine trying to write all this down on paper in a traditional family tree?

Best wishes,
Carole

[Cornish Terrier]

That one may not be quite as bad as a situation that occurred on my mother's side of the family.

William Prentice married Susanna about 1812 and had four children.

Susanna died in 1817 and William then married Mary Gallifont by whom he had a further nine children.

William, the first son from the marriage to Susanna, married Amelia Missen and they had two children.

William died in 1845 and his widow, Amelia, then married William's half-brother Benjamin who was the third child from the marriage of William to Mary Gallifont.
Benjamin and Amelia then had six children.

Are you paying attention and following this so far.

Now, the youngest son from the marriage of Benjamin and Amelia was Herbert Martin Prentice.

Herbert Martin Prentice married Alice Mary Baynard in 1896 and these are my mother's grandparents.

Herbert and Alice had three sons and two daughters and it is the daughters that are of interest here.

Amelia Martha Prentice married Samuel Riseley in 1926 and had six children.

Annie Elizabeth Prentice married Frederick Singleton in 1932 and had four children including my mother.

Amelia Martha (now Riseley) died in 1941.

Frederick Singleton died in 1942.

Samuel Riseley married Anne Elizabeth (now Singleton) and had a further two sons.

So we have two sets of cousins who suddenly become step-siblings who are then joined by two ?half-brothers?.

And to think almost the exact same thing happened in two successive generations.

Now - go away and do your homework and sort this lot out as I may well be asking questions later on. ;D

Anyone else out there have anything like this in their ancestry and especially so recent.

Perhaps I should have posted this in the Trivia Section.

[cornishglassons]

Just an everyday story of Cornish folk then!

Make a great GCSE maths question if put in graph form.

Carole