DUNN and RALPH at Kerthen Wood

[kerthen]

We've moved this discussion from the New Member Interests. It deals with families who live in the Kerthen/Kerthen Wood area of Godolphin manor which covers an area in both St Erth and Crowan parishes.

Regarding the children of Thomas RALPH and Anne DUNN, the ones I have from Crowan and St Erth records are:
John, bap 14 Oct 1759 at St Erth, died May 1782, buried at St Erth, 25 May, 1782 (listed at burial as son of Thomas and Ann)
Ann, bap 16 April 1762 at Crowan, married John Bree 16 February 1788 at St Erth; Thomas RALPH witnesses.
Honour, bap 17 Feb 1765 at Crowan; married Christopher Cardell at St Erth, 16 June 1796.
Martha, bap 8 July 1770 at Crowan, married William Gatley, jr. 12 July 1796 at St Erth.
William, bap 30 October 1774 at St Erth, died May 1782, buried at St Erth, 14 May 1782 (listed at burial as son of Thomas and Ann)

Thomas RALPH's will in 1790 names all three surviving daughters.

In brief abstract it lists:
Will of Thomas Ralph, St Erth yeoman
written - 20-Apr 1790
proved - 12-May 1790
pages - 34/35

names:
nephew - John Dun
daughter - Ann, wife of John Bree
daughters - Honor, Martha
witnesses - Andrew Hosking, Henry Oliver

[donne]

Thanks for the info, Barbara. This isn't a line I've followed until now, but the DUN connection provides additional evidence for the family links I've assumed. I thought that Crowan should receive the thread, since it seems rather neglected, perhaps because the early records aren't as complete as St Erth. The particular issue with Kerthen Wood is that the boundary between St Erth and Crowan parishes runs right through middle of the land associated with the manor of Godolphin. Thus families on the Crowan side may have been baptised in Crowan but buried in St Erth - the shorter distance to the churchyard?

[kerthen]

Definitely a shorter distance, Roger. There also appears to have been a chapel of ease belonging to St Erth parish which was right down Bosence Road to the west of Kerthen Wood. Not sure how much use it would have received or when it would have fallen into disuse. A report from the early 20th century, as I recall, said it was held together mostly by ivy at that point!

I noted with the children of Thomas RALPH and Anne DUNN that the boys were baptised at St Erth and the girls at Crowan. All the girls' marriages seem to have taken place at St Erth, though, and Chris Cardell definitely became associated with St Erth (though I believe he was originally from Phillack).

I've tracked down my maps that I was working on last autumn. I will try to get up to speed on them again, and perhaps we can sort some of these people out. Every time I spend much time with them my head begins to spin!

Barbara

[donne]

Hello Barbara,
Before we moved from New Members Interests, I mentioned that I was working on my little project to see how useful Google Earth could be in looking at the 1788 Godolphin tenants and their holdings. The results of my labours are at www.donne.me.uk/crowan/godolphinmanor.htm. I haven't linked it to the rest of the website since I'm not sure how successful it is. The original map is of course the best source, but I'm sure that there are all sorts of copyright issues involved in publishing it. I'm afraid I didn't seem to have St Paul's Down, where your people, are on my photograph of the map so they aren't included.

[kerthen]

Roger,
Thank you! That is absolutely fabulous. I've done map paper maps of the 1840 tithe land holdings of that area, but didn't go as far north as you went into St Erth, and I do have the ones that run to the east on both sides of Bosence Road which were still part of Godolphin Manor. I'd be happy to share what I've got. I tried to click on your 'contact' link at the bottom of your Godolphin page and couldn't get it to work. If I can, I'll send you copies of the 1840 maps if you want them.

Caveat -- they are nowhere near as professional looking as the one you've done which is brilliant. And I think it might actually give me a further boost in sorting out which William RALPH was which!

[donne]

Hi Barbara,
I'm glad you liked the maps. I would very much like to see your work. I'm sorry the link on the webpage failed - I think I've fixed it now. In any case, I will add an email address to my profile on this forum as well.

[kerthen]

Thanks very much. I put a message to you in the messages here with my email address. If you email me at that one, I will scan the maps and send them to you. I have not done the 1788 Godolphin one, though I have it photographed. I have concentrated on the tithe maps. And I didn't get into the St Erth parts of things -- only the Crowan parts, so yours has things I didn't get to, except for two fields on the northeast corner of the junction of Countess Bridge Road and Bosworgy Road which were tenanted in the tithe maps era by my ggg-grandparents, Anthony and Grace (Hosking) Rodda. It was their daughter who married my Thomas Ralph.

[Captain]

My Great Grandmother was born in Kerthen Wood Crowan but a bit later than the dates above. Mary Gundry Lukey born 13.03.1852. Her father Nicholas Lukey is a miner. Her mother is named here as Nanny (it changed quite a bit over years) TREVARTHEN - she is a child of Henry Trevarthen and Christian Gundry. Henry I understand married 3 times and had 15 children. I know that some of the Gundry family where at 'Bosworgy' (which is at the corner of Countess Bridge Road and Bosworgy Road mentioned above. Mary Gundry (nee Cock) my 4 x Great Grandmother died there. There are documents at CRO about the Gundrys and Bosworgy that I must try and have a look at. Just revisiting the Lukey/Gundry/Trevarthen families so any info about them and area very useful.

[kerthen]

Hi Captain,
Thanks for posting on this thread. As you say, your LUKEYs were in the vicinity later than we've been discussing here, but I have heard the GUNDRY name in that area. I don't think there were any GUNDRYs or TREVARTHENs on the tithe map that I worked on, though. But the COCK name is very prevalent in the general area.

A Mary COCK married one of the John RALPHs whose family was one of two RALPH families living at Pauls Green. I believe they were still there during the period you mention (mid-to-late 19th century).

If you find articles about Bosworgy at the CRO, I would love to know more about them. I've done quite a lot of research in the Godolphin Manor records, but I believe the Bosworgy area was in Gurlyn Manor and I've had less success finding much about it.

I did make copies of some of the diaries of the Reverend Edward GIDDY (father of Davies GIDDY, then GILBERT) and he mentions people who lived in that area occasionally. But this was in the mid to late 18th century.

Happy to share what I've got on the area and families.

[Cornish Terrier]

Re Reverund Edward GIDDY - here we are getting into the realms of another discussion on a different thread.

We are looking at the Phillips family of Tredrea who have links back to Gulval and Zennor.

Will have more input as soon as I can but right now have a few things on my mind which will be posted in another thread.

CT

[Captain]

Thanks Kerthen for your reply. I won't be in Cornwall now for some time to look at the Gundry - Bosworgy records but will let you know more asap.
I have been contacted by someone on Genes that thinks my Gundry family is connected to Wheal Vor Mine.

[kerthen]

Will look forward to anything you learn at the CRO, Captain. And I hope you find a connection for your GUNDRY family.

[kerthen]

CT, which thread has to do with Edward GIDDY? I've found his daybooks to be very interesting, but I wish he'd been more specific about the weddings and baptisms and "churchings" he officiated at. Most often he just says, "Wedding at Ludgvan" and doesn't tell you who he married. Or "churching of two women," with no clue as to who they were. But every once in a while, I find a nice tidbit of information that might help someone someday.

[Cornish Terrier]

You will find a little about this in the following thread:-

Zennor Zearching/PHILLIPS, DAVIES - The Visitations

If interested you will also find other bits and pieces relating to this Phillips family in the Zennor Section.

It is a family that will hopefully receive more attention in the not too distant future - which I am sure will please Mike! ;D

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Christopher CARDELL bp. 4th October 1761 at Phillack

His parents were John CARDELL m. Mary CLEMENTS 8th December 1760 at Phillack

I have not yet tried to do much with the CARDELL family but I think it very likely that Christopher's brother was the William CARDELL who married Sarah Curnow PARMINTER at Phillack 17th January 1788.

Will try to do more on this thread tomorrow - all being well.