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Post by kerthen on Jan 4, 2008 20:15:32 GMT -5
Thanks for your reply.
The baptism of Thomas Ralph in the Crowan records shows only his father, William. Baptism 29 Oct 1729, birth listed as September.
I haven't found a clearly identifiable record for the marriage of William, however there is a patron submitted 'marriage' of a William Ralph of Crowan to Honour Stephens in 1730. This might mean that William married one of Anne (nee Dunn) Mann's sisters who was widowed. It seems to come 'after' the birth of his son Thomas, so it's a matter of conjecture whether William may have had a first wife who was also, possibly, a sister of Anne Dunn. If so, that might indicate that William was married earlier to one Dunn sister and then married another when both she and he were widowed. On the other hand, the marriage which seems to have no 'proof' recorded, could have been earlier than 1730 and Thomas might have been the son of William and Honor (her second marriage), which would make Prudence and Anne Stephens his half-sisters.
Intriguing notions. Will see if I can track down an earlier marriage for William.
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Post by donne on Jan 5, 2008 5:34:30 GMT -5
There is a record of the marriage in the FFHS marriage database online. This gives a date of the William RALPH - Honour STEPHENS marriage as 25 Nov 1730. I would tend to trust this extraction since the data is supplied by the Cornwall Family History Society.
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Post by kerthen on Jan 6, 2008 1:27:23 GMT -5
Good point, Roger. I had only seen the reference to the marriage in the IGI which, particularly with LDS member submissions is not as reliable as extracted records. Thank you for pointing it out.
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Post by donne on May 18, 2008 11:33:52 GMT -5
I have finally got hold of a copy of Thomas MAN's will (CRO Ref AD/M/1842b), which confirms that his wife was called Ann. There are a number of names and relationships in the will, so I will post my transcription in case it is of general interest. Basically, from the evidence of the will, the couple seem to have been fairly prosperous but had no survivivng children.
"In the name of God Amen I Thomas Man at the Parish of Crowan in the county of Cornwall yeoman been sick of body but of Sound and Disposing mind and memory Blessed be God for the same and considering the uncertainty of humane life here on Earth Doe Make and ordaine this my last Will and Testament In Manner and forme following
Imp[rimis] I Commend my Soul into the hands of Almighty God that gave it hoping that [by] the alone Merritts and Intercession of my Blessed Saviour and Redeemer Jesus Christ to obtaine remission and forgiveness of all my Sins And my Body to the Earth to be decently buryed as my Execut[ors] hereafter named shall think fitt and Convenient and as for such worldly goods and Estate as the Lord of his infinite mercy and goodness hath been pleased to bless me with I doe give Devise and bequeath thereof as followeth
Item I give to the poore of the Parish of Crowan the sum of twenty pounds to be paid by my Execut[ors] Into the Overseers of the said Parish on every fifteenth day of May after my death in forty shillings a yeare until the mony is paid to be given to the poor widdows and others that doth want it, not to them maintained by the parish
Item I give to Thomasine Davies the Daughter of William Davies of Boswergie gent five pounds
Item I give to Charity Jenkyn the Daughter of Henry Jenkyn the sum[m]e of five pounds
Item I give to Thomas Barons the Sonn of Thomas Barons the sum[m]e of five pounds
Item I give to Stephen Polkinghorne the sum[m]e of twenty shillings
Item I give to John Polkinghorne of Pullglase the sum[m]e of twenty shillings
Item I give to Phillis Freeman theire Sister the sum[m]e of three pounds
Item I give to John Richards als Penhale the younger the sum[m]e of 20 shillings
Item I give to Peter Richards his Brother the sum[m]e of twenty shillings
Item I give to Christopher Trevaskus the son of William Trevsakus the sum[m]e of One Meyder or twenty seven shillings and six pence for the Same
Item I give to Cordelia Phillipps the Wife of James Phillips of the Parish of Breage the sum[m]e of forty shillings
Item I give to my Sister Jane James the Wife of John James the sum of five shillings
All the rest of my goods and chattels Debts and Creditts I give devise and bequeathe to Ann my Dearly beloved wife whome I doe hereby make and ordayne to be my whole and sole Executrix of this my last Will and Testament In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seale this Eighth day of February anno Dom[in]i One thousand seven hundred and sixteen 1716
Thomas Man (round seal)
Signed sealed Declared and Published in the p[re]sence of us John Christover the signe of Elizabeth Stevean "
I don't understand what I've transcribed as 'Meyder' (the handwriting seems quite clear) so maybe someone can suggest what this could be.
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Post by donne on May 21, 2008 6:10:44 GMT -5
How about this for a possible scenario for the relationships highlighted in kerthen's post.
There is a St Erth marriage of an Honour DONNE to George STEVENS 1 June 1695; this Honour Donne, bap 27 Aug 1671 at St Erth, I believe to be one of Ann MAN's (nee DONNE) sisters. Ann herself was baptised 16 Sep 1666 at St Erth.
William RALPH marries Honour STEPHENS 27 Nov 1730 at Crowan.
Could this Honour STEPHENS be the eldest daughter of the STEVENS-DUNN marriage, named after her mother? That would make her a niece of Ann MAN. The problem is that she is not mentioned explicitly in Ann MAN's will, along with the other nieces, Prudence STEVENS and Ann STEVENS, and it leaves the problem of whether Thomas RALPH bap 1729 was a child of an earlier mariage of William RALPH.
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