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Post by donne on Dec 23, 2007 7:59:42 GMT -5
Looking for further information on Anne MANN of Crowan. From the extract of her will (online thanks to Marie Rosewarne) she was probably born Anne DONNE since she mentions her brother, William DONNE. She was buried in St Erth, 29 Nov 1738, but noted to be from Crowan. The Crowan overseers accounts of 1731 give her abode as Kerthen, just on the boundary between St Erth and Crowan. Her will mentions no surviving children. I suspect she may have married a Thomas MANN of Crowan, whose will (proved 1717) is in Kathie's index. However I haven't yet looked at this will or found any marriage. I'm trying to match her up with an Ann DONNE bap. 16 Sep 1666 in St Erth.
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Post by white on Dec 23, 2007 10:39:22 GMT -5
Hi Roger, I suspect that you are correct re Anne Donne. Her sister, Honour bapt.27th.aug.1671, married George Stephens, 31st.Jan.1694/5 at St.Erth. So this would explain the 2 nieces, Anne and Prudence. Although no bapts. for these either. She also appears to have had 3 sisters named Mary, and the later one could be the one that married Unknown Barens (as per Annes will). As you also say Thomas Manns will might be of interest. Anyway, All the best for Christmas and a Happy and fruitful new yea :)r, Roy
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Post by white on Dec 23, 2007 10:51:42 GMT -5
Roger, Just another snippet. Mary Donne married Thomas Barns 27th.Jan.1704/5 at ST.Erth. So this is probably the one shown as sister to Anne in Annes will , spelt Barens. Roy
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Post by donne on Dec 23, 2007 12:35:47 GMT -5
Hello Roy, that was very quick! Thank you for input which confirms the scenario I had surmised, but it would be nice to have the additional confirmation of marriage/ baptism entries. Maybe these happened in Crowan, where the surviving records are a bit sparse in the early days. And thanks for the seasonal greetings - a Merry Christmas to you too!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 25, 2007 19:21:04 GMT -5
Roger and Roy - my very best wishes for the Festive Season to you both. I was checking the first note and began checking on Anne of 1666 before I checked the rest of the thread. It was my opinion that this was probably the correct person but I wanted to check. Have not found her marriage so, as mentioned, it may have occurred in Crowan. If we are correct then I believe Anne to have been the daughter of William Donne and Ellinor (unknown). William, I believe, was probably baptised at St Erth 7th July 1637 as son of John DUNN and Mary (nee NOYE). If so, then John was from Camborne and baptised there in 1598 as son of Pascow Dunn and Christian (nee Ellis). Pascow Dunn was buried at St Erth 21st November 1630. I think you might also find that Pascow had a son named Alexander who married Sephronia (mn. unknown) at St Erth in 1619. I thought some years ago that it would be interesting to find the connection to the NOYE family but I have so far had no luck. And as for 'that name of St Erth' - Barnes - it can turn up as Barns, Barnes, Barens, Barons, Barne and possibly other variations. Also look at St Hilary for this family. There was a Pascow Barnes buried at St Erth in 1696 and whose wife Catherine was buried there in 1689. From what I have been able to determine from records available to me (and I may be corrected) Pascow had a son named Pascow who married Jane (nee COLE) at St Erth in 1688. Amongst other children to Pascow and Jane there was another Pascoe who married Sarah Jordan at St Hilary in 1722. It appears that it was their daughter, Catherine, who married Thomas TREWHEELA at Perranuthnoe 19th November 1754 - and hence some sort of connection to myself. Must finish now and get some sleep. All the best for the New Year and further. Ian
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Post by donne on Dec 26, 2007 20:11:41 GMT -5
A comment on the mysterious Ellinor, wife of William Donne, mentioned by Ian. I believe that she was probably Ellinor PENKEA. In the record of her burial in St Erth (5 Oct 1731) there is a marginal note giving her age as 92,and therefore a birth date of 1639. The only Ellinor listed in the baptism register around this time (11 Apr 1641) is Ellinor, dau of William PENKEA (the IGI transcribes this as PENKRA but I believe this is an error). I have another correspondent who suggests that this family is also linked to/ identical with the Wm. PEDNEANKEY who signed the 1642 Protestation Returns in St Erth.
By the way, Sephronia, wife of Alexander DUN is probably Sephronia NENYS bap 5 Feb 1595/96 in St Erth.
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Post by white on Dec 27, 2007 7:53:04 GMT -5
Hi Roger, I believe that you are correct on both counts. The Ellinor is the only possible one. Alexanders wife was Sephoronia Ninnes/Nenys, bapt. 5th.feb 1595/6 and buried 17th.feb.1673/4, both at St.Erth. Her parents John, buried 13th.feb.1640/1 at St.Erth. and Margaret. Alexander and Sephornia had 9 children, number 7 being Sephoronia, bapt.15th.jan. 1636/7 at St.Erth. Good hunting, Roy
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 27, 2007 10:25:34 GMT -5
Good work Roger and Roy and some stuff here for me to review and update also. Roy - you mention that Alexander and Sephronia had 9 children of whom Sephronia was the 7th so I have missed a child somewhere along the line. My list shows Margaret (1620), Grace (1622), Jane (1626), William (1628), Arthur (1633), Sepheronia (1636), Alce (1639) and Mary (1642). Be pleased if you could advise details of the other child. Will take a closer look at this in the New Year when I hope to have a little more time. Have to work at the Pub on New Year's Eve so my concentration level is a little low at the moment. Ian
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Post by donne on Dec 27, 2007 15:44:28 GMT -5
I think you could make a case for as many as 10 children being born to Alexander and Sepharonia DUN. Here is my list (all baptisms in St Erth parish:
Margaret/Margerie DUN bap 25 Oct 1620 Gratia DUN bap 28 Sep 1622 John DUN (no baptism record, but mentioned in father's will) Jane DUN bap 29 Nov 1626 William DUN bap 25 Feb 1628 Arthur DUN bap 16 Ma 1633/24 Sepharonia DUN 15 Jan 1636/37 Alce DUN 21 Aug 1639 Mary DUN 21 Aug 1642 Margaret DUN 21 Aug 1642
John, William, Jane, Margery, Mary, Grace and Sepharonia are all mentioned in Alexander's will, so I assume Arthur and Alice and the first Margaret/Margerie all predeceased Alexander or died in infancy.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 28, 2007 8:42:21 GMT -5
Thanks Roger - I will review this once I have un-'Erthed' all my books etc. All does look promising and your mention of Wills is very helpful. Not certain if I have details from those you have mentioned so transcripts or abstracts would be most welcome. Information from these may help with other families as well. Must do just a quick survey of the Board tonight and then unpack some more boxes and have some food before sleep in preparation for a long few nights work at the Pub. Ian
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Post by donne on Dec 28, 2007 12:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by white on Dec 28, 2007 13:23:26 GMT -5
Hi Ian, Roger has beaten me to the reply re the number of children. I do however suspect that Mary and Margaret 1642 are one and the same person. As Roger says no bapt. for John but he is mentioned in thwe will. I have tried several more times to send you e mails and attachments but hey always bounce. Cannot work out why as other connections are getting through ? Roy
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 29, 2007 11:22:30 GMT -5
Hi Guys, Roger - I have probably missed a couple of things but do appreciate the links you have provided (possibly again : . Roy - I do not know what is going on as Mark Trengove's attachments ended up coming through ok. An interim measure may be to use the old 'snail-mail' but that is not really a preference, I am sure. I will PM you with my Postal Address in case you decide to go that way for now. On the 9 or 10 children of Alexander and Sephronia Dun I have a tendency to agree with your thoughts regarding Margaret and Mary being the same person. I have the online copy of the St Erth PR's and Baptisms for 21st August 1642 show only Mary. It is possible that IGI may have included Margaret given that the transcriber could not decide whether the name was 'Mary' or 'Marg'. However, as mentioned, only Mary appears in the OPC Transcript from what I can see. Will look more into all of this once I 'get through' the next few nights at work. I hope also to have some more boxes unpacked and have this residence sorted out a little better by then which will make things easier. Will post a note in 'Chy-an-Coweth' to let everyone know what is happening. Have a great New Year fellas and will catch up soon. Ian
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Post by kerthen on Jan 3, 2008 23:46:26 GMT -5
Very interesting developments here, which I am trying to process.
I'm particularly interested in this because of where Anne Mann lived (Kerthen) and the line in her will which abstracted is:
"Thomas Ralph, son of William Ralph, to be executor, if he dies his mother to be executor Trustee: William Ralph"
What is her relationship to Thomas Ralph and his mother? Is Thomas a nephew and his mother her sister? It seems clear from this that Anne's relationship to the mother and to Thomas is closer than to Thomas's father.
Can anyone suggest another reason she might have named Thomas Ralph executor? Does anyone have any idea who Thomas Ralph's mother was?
There were Ralphs at Kerthen and it seems likely that this line is the one which later included the marriage of a Thomas Ralph (b abt 1729- d 1790) to Anne Dunn (d 1789). But how they connect is still unclear to me.
Barbara Proved: 1739 Ref: Vol 4, page 3, LDS film: 0090191
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Post by trencrom on Jan 4, 2008 2:05:03 GMT -5
I would be looking to see whether there is a christening record for a Thomas son of William Ralph, and if the mother's name is given therein, and then for a marriage of William.
Would not be at all surprised to find that Thomas' mother is a sister or other relation of the testatrix.
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