ODGER/S

[nic1]

Trying to find a family called Odger in Crowan who had a daughter called Patience around 1721.
Patience married in 1742 and gave her name as Patience Odger of Crowan

Nic1

[donne]

No information on Patience, I'm afraid, though I have noted the signature of a Henry Odger on several Crowan marriage records circa 1760 which leads me to believe he must have been a parish clerk or churchwarden.

[cornishmaid]

The Cornwall Centre in Redruth have transcriptions of Crowan baptisms 1614-1861, so I'll try and have a look today for you for Patience.

They also hold the following transcriptions for Crowan:
Marriages 1614-1837
Phillimore marriages 1674-1812
Burials 1614-1845

So, if there's anything else you need to know from any of these just give me a shout.

[cornishmaid]

Just back from the Cornish Studies centre, here's the findings, but got to type them up quickly because my computer is being taken away again in half an hour's time more problems

I assume the marriage you were talking about was the one to Mathew Daniel? This was listed in the transcriptions as follows:

Daniel, Mathew *of Morvah* & Patience odgers, by licence on
16 September 1742.
(* These details are entered in the Williams transcript).

There was indeed a baptism of a Patience Odgers at Crowan as follows:

Odgers, Patience d. of Henry, bapt. Xbr 27 1723

I will list all the baptisms, marriages and deaths of related Odgers below, just to save confusion.

[cornishmaid]

Marriage:
13 September 1718, Crowan - Henry Odgers & Patience his wife

Baptisms: (which I would accredit to Henry & Patience)
Henry Odgers, son of Henry 2 May 1719
John Odgers, son of Henry 3 October 1721
Patience Odgers, d. of Henry 27 Xbr 1723
Ann Odgers, d. of Henry 29 May 1726
Constance Odgers, d. of Henry 20 April 1729
Odgers, Constance, d. of Patience (Henery) 5 March 1730/31

Another marriage of a Henry Odgers, who I assume would be the above Henry's son.

Marriage:
13 November 1746, Crowan - Henry Odgers & Mary Clifton

Baptisms:
Elizabeth Odgers, d. of Henry & Mary his wife 3 January 1747/48
Elizabeth Odgers, d. of Henry & Mary his wife 28 March 1749
Patience Odgers, d. of Henry & Mary his wife 4 February 1750/51
Henry Odgers, son of Henry & Mary his wife 5 April 1752

Marriage (which might be connected to this family):
Thomas Goldsworthy, Tinner, & Elizabeth Odger, spinster, married 22 April 1788. (They both signed the register.)
Witnesses: Henry Odger; William Odger.

Burials:
Constance Odgers (Ogers), d. of Henery 9 April 1730
Henery Odgers 27 September 1730
Patience Odgers 30 June 1744
Elizabeth Odgers 26 January 1747/48
Patience Odgers, an infant 10 March 1750
Henry Odgers (Odger) Jnr 5 December 1768
Elizabeth Odgers 31 December 1796

Although I didn't have time to follow all the various Odgers in Crowan, I did find these 2 marriages:

12 April 1748 Thomas Bartle & Ann Odgers

27 August 1786 James Phillips, Tinner, & Ann Odger, Spinster
Witnesses: Henry Odger, Daniel Rowe. (Both James and Ann made their marks on the register.)

As Donne mentioned, a Henry Odger was listed as a witness at a large number of weddings. Although the transcription book I saw listed the Vicars and curates Henry Odger was not amongst them, but he was obviously something to do with the Church.

Hope this helps a bit and isn't too confusing.

[cornishmaid]

There are also wills and admons for Odgers at Crowan, as shown on Zenobia's site, ie:

ODGER, Patience: admon dated 9 Oct 1753
ODGERS, Henry: will proved 13 May 1731
ODGERS, John: admon dated 19 May 1715
ODGERS, Richard: will proved 5 Aug 1745

[Cornish Terrier]

M'dear Cornishmaid you have been a busy little lass.

And a big 'Well Done' on this one.

I had details of the marriage of Matthew Daniel to Patience Odgers at Crowan in 1742 from Carlene Harry many years ago but that is about all I knew except that Matthew Daniel was the son of John Daniel and Alice (nee Stevens) and was baptised at Morvah in 1719.

Matthew was buried at Morvah 29th November 1788 at the age of 70 and Patience was buried at Morvah 28th November 1771 but no age was given.

From my searching over the years I have found 12 children for Matthew and Patience for which I have 7 burials.

Nic1, should this information be required please let me know and I will pass on what I have found in case you do not have it.

Some of it is information supplied by Carlene Harry and I have not yet verified it but I have little doubt it will be okay.

The rest has come from my transcripts of Morvah Registers and associated material.

And this is yet another story I will have to return to given the amount of additional information supplied by Cornishmaid.

My database will be burning overtime by the time we are finished.

Please keep reminding me about this as I will have a heap of work to do to get my own information updated and check all those Wills etc.

Keep up the good work.

[nic1]

Many thanks to everyone who has tried to find Patience Odger for me in the Crowan records.
I'm so sorry for not thanking you before but it has been a while since I last checked the site.

A BIG THANK YOU

Nicola

[cousinjack]

Hi Cousins:
I am Cousinjack, Mary Clifton was born in Week ST. Mary Cornwall in 1713. Mary is a sister to Richard Clifton who married Grace Smith in Camborne in 1751. I have more information on the family of Henry Odgers and Mary Clifton. I may reached at [e-mail]. Peace be with you all.

[donne]

Dec 6, 2007 11:08:41 GMT -5 cornishmaid said:

As Donne mentioned, a Henry Odger was listed as a witness at a large number of weddings. Although the transcription book I saw listed the Vicars and curates Henry Odger was not amongst them, but he was obviously something to do with the Church.

Bleary-eyed from an on-line session with the Crowan registers, I thought participants in this thread might be interested in the following from the burial entries for 1802: "Henry Odger upward of 41 years Clerk to this Parish buried 6th January"
(Crowan: Baptisms, Marriages, Burials 1743-1812, image 117)

[kiwichick]

Hi all, just picking up on this thread as Odgers, Daniel, Edwards etc all link to my family line.
As Cornish Terrier will know Patience Odgers and Matthew Daniel are my family lines.
Patience Odgers was the daughter of Henry Odger(s) and Patience Edwards. Now Patience Edwards was the daughter of John Edwards and Patience Daniel born 1698.
Just to do a complete loop, Patience Daniel happens to be related to Matthew Daniel who married Patience Odgers. Confusing lot not by half. She was the daughter of Matthew Daniel and Mary Knight Robarts born 1675. Sister of John Daniel who's son is Matthew who married Patience Odgers.
Keeping it in the family I guess. I think it works like this She is Great Aunt to Matthew Daniel and grandmother to his wife Patience Odgers.
Got eveyone's head spinning now?