Any help appreciated with one of my few very long standing brick walls. (in Cornwall) Charity Hocken married John Maddern 18th. June 1730 at Sennen. He was bapt.19th. Dec. 1703 at St.Levan. Both buried at St.Buryan. At one time I thought that Charity was the one bapt.1708 at St.Erth. However have since found that this one died as an infant. Another suggestion from a contact was that she was the daughter of William Hockin of Gwithian who married Jane Stephens at Phillack 18th. Feb.1705/6, but no baptism found for her. So I am still searching for a Charity Hocken to fit the bill. Roy
Post by cornishmaid on Sept 27, 2007 11:45:07 GMT -5
At first glance, I found the following baptisms in Cornwall:
1. Charity Hoskyn, Parish: Phillack - bapt. 11 August 1706, Father: Humphrey, Mother: Margery. 2. Charity Hocken, Parish: St Erth - bapt. 27 Feb 1708/09; Father: William. 3. Charity Hocken, Parish: Trewen - bapt. 3 January 1718/1719, Father: John, Mother: Mary. 4. Charity Hocking, Parish: St Just in Roseland - bapt. 21 March 1718/1719, Father: William, Mother: Lovedy.
You say the Charity Hocken born St Erth died as an infant? I found one burial at St Erth of a Charity Hocken, but that was on 1 February 1708, ie before the child above was baptised. Could this have been her mother? No age is given on the burial records I found unfortunately.
I assume the baptisms of 3 and 4 above are too late, although some baptisms were given to older children.
Have you got the names of John and Charity's children? They may give us a few clues.
Not sure this helps at all, but thought I'd get the dialogue going
I've got so many brick walls I could build a Mansion!
According to the transcripts on The St.Erth Page both the baptism and the burial were in Feb.1708/09. The burial on the 1st. and the bapt. on the 27th. Both for Father, William. (?) John Maddern and Charity's children were, John 1731 Martha 1733 Honour 1735 Martha 1738 Francis 1741 William 1744 Honour 1746 children 1-6 at St.Hilary number 7 at Sennen Francis, Martha and John all being Maddern names. Thank you for trying to help, Roy
Her age at burial was given as 69 (buried 27th.Mar.1776 at St.Buryan), so she was 23 when she married John Maddern. I suppose that it is possible she was a widow, but I would think the odds are against it. I have also tried all the variants on Hocken, that I can think of, without success. Roy
Is the mention of St. Hilary a typo, or does it come in here somewhere?
Because I did find a William and Honour Hocken who had two children (also called William and Honour) baptised at Germoe during the right time period. If they had other children whose births were not recorded, they might be worth looking at.
Another thing to try is to see if there were any more Charity Hocken's baptised say 15-30 years after your Charity of interest and trace the fathers to see if they might turn out to be brothers of your Charity.
Just to fill in a few more details on John's parents. Francis Maddern, etimated birth about 1675 married Ursula (surname not known) about 1698, probably at St.Levan, but registers not survived. He was buried 23rd.dec.1743 at Sennen and she was buried 5th.oct.1753 at Sennen. Francis was a Yeoman and I have his admin dated 16th.june 1744 and Inventory dated 3rd.march 1743/4. John and Charitys son, William bapt.27th.may 1744 at St.Hilary married Honour Hicks 20th.nov.1764 at Sennen. His will dated 12th.oct 1813 (of Sancreed) mentions property called The Gears of St.Hilary. Please excuse wandering off the main subject but wanted to fill in some more detail. Thanks Zenobia will check out the names you found.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 29, 2007 14:33:57 GMT -5
John and Charitys son, William bapt.27th.may 1744 at St.Hilary married Honour Hicks 20th.nov.1764 at Sennen. His will dated 12th.oct 1813 (of Sancreed) mentions property called The Gears of St.Hilary.
OK - so now we have a reason for John and Charity being at St Hilary although we perhaps need to know just a little more given this Will is dated over 80 years after the first child of this family was baptised at St Hilary.
But we do now have something more to work with.
Zenobia's suggestion is definitely worth considering and we need to try and think of all possibilities.
Post by cornishpasty on Oct 3, 2007 2:51:16 GMT -5
I have just read through this message board and can safely assume that we have the same Hockin (Hocken)/ Maddern people. Charity Hocken was born St Erth on 27 Feb 1708. She died on 27 Mar 1776 at St Buryan. She married John MADDERN 18 Jan 1730 at Sennen. John MADDERN was born at St Levan but I have no DOB.
I would prefer you to take a look at my Family Tree because it would be easier and quicker to find what you are looking for, rather than me trying to type it all out. ;D
I will contact you via PM with my details for the Tree.
Hi Cornish Terrier, Sorry for the delay in replying. I missed your input. William s/o John and Charity was buried 29th.nov.1813 at St.Buryan. To save me typing the wills etc here, they are all in the wills section of West Penwith Resources. Any trouble locating them please let me know. I see what you mean about the differences in parish records and BTs. I have never encountered this before. I based the marriage date for Francis and Ursula on the birth of their first children. Obviously only an estimate. Thanks for your efforts, Roy
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 3, 2007 14:16:50 GMT -5
Thanks Roy - I will try and take a look at those tonight.
And there are all sorts of funny little goings on that you will find when working through some of these families, documents, etc.
Sometimes the woods cannot be seen for the trees.
A cousin of mine told me several years ago - 'take on board every possible option, no matter how outlandish - explore and delete each option until you come to the only possible answer' (based on all available evidence, of course)
Post by lipkatatar on Nov 15, 2010 20:46:48 GMT -5
I believe that the Charity Hocken baptised in St Erth 1708 may have been the daughter of William Hockin and Phillip (? Angear) who married in Camborne in 1693. They had several children baptised in Camborne, the last in 1702, including a Charity, baptised on 11 September 1699. It is possible that they then moved to St Erth, not a great distance, and had several more children baptised there between 1703 and 1711, including a daughter, Charity who was baptised on 27 February 1708, a few weeks after the death of their first daughter Charity.