EDDY FAMILY (General)

[americaneddybranch]

I figure I'd post this here...this could take several posts to get my information in.

So let me recap some stuff already.

John Eddy (son of William Eddy and Ann Tregoninng) married Grace Woolcock (daughter of William Woolcock and Mary Rowe) at Wesley Chapel on June 11, 1881. He was born Feb. 1, 1858 and died May 8, 1917. She was born Feb 5. 1861 and died March 1, 1921.

Their children are:
*William John (born 1882, died 1937) who married Eliza Warren
*Annie (born 1883) who married William Warren
*May (born 1888) who married Herbert Tinney and moved to the United States. I believe she lived in Rochester, New York prior to when Janie came to teh states. In the census she is known as "Minnie" but her name is May. (Ironically, they had daughter also named May and nicknamed "Minnie" and my mother actually remembers her).
*George (born 1889, died 1967) who married Lillian Rowe.
*Florrie (born 1892) who married John Boase.
*Janie (born 1893, died 1966) who had a child PRIOR to departing Cornwall (I have specific information about her arriving in Ellis Island to come later if anyone's interested). In the 1930 Census in the US, it strangely asks, "Age of first Marriage" to which is listed 26. So she must have been married in Penzance/Gulval sometime around 1819 and her son, William John, was born shortly after. Of all the missing information that there is regarding my family, I think this particular area of information interests me most. If someone could help me find out about this first marriage (marriage record) and child (baptism), it would piece a gap as to why she felt the need to leave Cornwall in the first place. Did her husband die soon after the marriage and birth and she was widowed? I know her father was already dead at this point and her mother died in 1921. She left in 1922 to come here to stay with May....it would be a reasonable conclusion. At any rate, once here, she had five children - Robert, Roy, Raymond (my grandfather), Herbert (who is still living) and Emma (also still living).
*Charles (born April 17, 1896, died Dec. 13, 1977 in Constantine, Cornwall) who married Elizabeth Jane Saundry in 1918
*Denton (born in 1900) who married a woman named May
*James (born in 1905, died in 1932)
*David who I don't have any birth or death information

[americaneddybranch]

Now, the next generation back from this would be John Eddy and Grace Woolcock's parents.

What I know of them...

William Eddy (son of Henry Eddy and Mary Jeffrey) married Ann Tregoning (Daughter of Richard Tregoning and Sarah Barns) August 17, 1850.

Their children are (I have most of their birth/death/baptism information):
*William Henry
*Mary Ann
*Emma.
*John
*Alfred (died Newport, Melbourne, AUS)

The 1851 census says that William was a farmer of 4 acres.

William Woolcock (son of William Woolcock and ) married Mary Rowe (daughter of Richard Row and Margery Cargeeg).

[americaneddybranch]

Further back for the Eddy's:
*Henry Eddy (Son of Richard Eddy and Ann Trenbath) married Mary Jeffrey.
*Richard Eddy (Son of Richard Eddy and Francis Banfield) married Ann Trenbath (daughter of John Trenbath and MAry Grenfield).
Richard Eddy (son of Richard Eddy and Joan Richards) married Francis Banfield (daughter of John Banfield and Joan Burrell...these names sounds very familiar as I'm typing this....as if I remember someone mentioning them in other posts).

[Cornish Terrier]

I have sent a PM to 'americaneddybranch' regarding this scenario as I have discovered a few anomalies which need addressing.

My intention was to address them tonight (and have started formulating a response) but, given it is now so late and I need sleep, I have decided to defer my response until later.

This will give me a clearer head and enable me to address things a little better.

There appears to be no great problem other than the dates of a couple of events so far but the scenario 'could' become more interesting.

I apologise for this delay but it is best I work with a fresh mind and try to get my information correct.

Hopefully have this done tomorrow and we shall progress from there.

[Cornish Terrier]

I have started with the Australian side of things here regarding Alfred Eddy who died at Newport, Melbourne, Victoria in 1921 at the age of 59.

Found his Marriage in the Victorian Index.

Alfred EDDY (bn. Cornwall) married Eliza Jane TREGONING in 1885 (Reg. 4330)

The family was at Eaglehawk initially where they had two sons - Arthur Joseph (1886) and Alfred (1888-1888).
The next entry I found was for son William Henry (1891) at Williamstown which is a neighbouring suburb to Newport.

Eliza Jane TREGONING was born at Eaglehawk in 1868 d/o William and Elizabeth Tregoning.

Elizabeth was born about 1836 d/o Philip TREVEAN and Mary (nee PASCOE).

William TREGONING was the son of Richard TREGONING and Sarah (nee BARNS)

So ALFRED EDDY and his wife ELIZA JANE TREGONING were FIRST COUSINS.

William TREGONING married Elizabeth TREVEAN in Victoria in 1859 and had 10 children.

If you are missing any more of Alfred Eddy's siblings let me know and I will do a more thorough search of the Victorian BDM Index to see if they also came to Australia.

Will tackle the rest of this in a following post.

[Cornish Terrier]

Further to my last.

In the 1851 Census Elizabeth TREVEAN was a House Servant to the family of Thomas and Ann SAMPSON at Phillack.

She was age 15 and stated her birthplace as Gwinear.

The following would appear to be her family:-

1851 Census - Reawla Lane, Gwinear

Phillip Trevean, head, mar., 46, copper miner, St Erth
Mary do., wife, mar., 45, miner's wife, Gwinear
Phillip do., son, 18, copper miner, Gwinear
Sarah do., daur., 10, scholar, Gwinear
William do., son, 8, scholar, Gwinear
Samuel Pearce, lodger, unm., 30, copper miner, Gwinear

1841 Census - Lamin, Gwinear

Phillip Trevean, 36, copper miner
Mary do., 34
Phillip do., 8
Mary do., 7
Elizabeth do., 5
Joseph do., 3
Sally do., 9 mths


It appears Philip and Mary Trevean both died in Victoria, Australia

Mary Trevean d/o John PASCOE & Betsey (nee THOMAS) d. 1869 age 64 (Reg. 6577)

Philip Trevean s/o John & Mary d. 1887 Eaglehawk age 82 (Reg. 1528)

NOW I have a problem.

I had originally assigned this Philip as the widower who married Mary WILLIAMS at St Erth in 1835.
They had three children that I had found baptised at St Erth through 1843.

It now appears obvious that it must be a different Philip Trevean, especially given his daughter Mary was baptised in 1836, the year in which Elizabeth Trevean was born.

Our Philip Trevean would appear to have been baptised at St Erth 1st December 1805 as son of John Trevean and Mary (nee Roberts).

Next step - next post.

[Cornish Terrier]

Returning to yesterday's notes I can offer the following:-

Gulval Marriages

6 Mar 1853 by Banns
William Woolcock 24 Shoemaker of Madron (Father: William Woolcock, Labourer)
Mary Rowe 20 of Church Town (Father: Richard Rowe, Labourer)
Witnesses: Grace Rowe, Priscilla Bickey

Things now get a little interesting.

William Woolcock's age here is consistent with a birth of about 1828.
Mary Rowe's age is consistent with a birth of about 1832.

1861 Census - Trevarrick, Gulval

William Woolcock, head, mar., 28, cordwainer, Scilly
Mary do., wife, mar., 28, Gulval
William John do., son, 7, scholar, Gulval
Richard do., son, 5, scholar, Gulval
George do., son, 2, Gulval
Grace do., daur, 2 mths, Gulval

Two interesting points to be made here:-

1. William now indicates he was born about 1832 (as opposed to 1828)
2. William states his birthplace as SCILLY - could become very interesting.

I cannot currently find William in the 1851 Census.

And, it seems, I cannot find him in 1871 either.

Anyway - Grace was the second child of that name born to William and Mary Woolcock.

Grace was baptised at Gulval 31st March 1861.

In the 1881 Census Grace was at Trevarrack with her brother William J Woolcock and his family. (This must have been very shortly before she was married.)

Her father, William, appears to be the following:-

William Woolcock, age 37, of Trevarrack, buried Gulval 5th May 1865

This puts his birth back, again, to about 1828 so things are a little confusing.

His wife, Mary ROWE d/o Richard may be the following:-

Gulval baptisms 1833

21 Apr Mary c/o Richard (Labourer) & Margery Rowe of Punsoe


JOHN EDDY

I cannot find a birth/baptism for a John Eddy that matches with February 1st 1858.

But Census entries suggest the John Eddy we are discussing was born about 1860 and that he was born at Gulval.

It has also been stated that he was son of William Eddy and Ann (nee Tregoning) whose marriage occurred at Gulval 17th August 1850.

NOW - I wonder if the birthdate in 1858 may not have been confused with that of John's sister Emma who was baptised 21st March 1858 at Gulval.

From what I can find John Eddy was baptised at Gulval 18th March 1860.

I cannot help too much, at the moment, with the later children of John and Grace as the Gulval records I have available only cover the period up until 1886.

In a following note (after I have checked the rest of the Board) I will try and address a few things with the earlier generations.

[Cornish Terrier]

Here is a little of what I can find - but there will be questions.

*Janie (born 1893, died 1966) who had a child PRIOR to departing Cornwall (I have specific information about her arriving in Ellis Island to come later if anyone's interested). In the 1930 Census in the US, it strangely asks, "Age of first Marriage" to which is listed 26. So she must have been married in Penzance/Gulval sometime around 1819 and her son, William John, was born shortly after. Of all the missing information that there is regarding my family, I think this particular area of information interests me most. If someone could help me find out about this first marriage (marriage record) and child (baptism), it would piece a gap as to why she felt the need to leave Cornwall in the first place. Did her husband die soon after the marriage and birth and she was widowed? I know her father was already dead at this point and her mother died in 1921. She left in 1922 to come here to stay with May....it would be a reasonable conclusion. At any rate, once here, she had five children - Robert, Roy, Raymond (my grandfather), Herbert (who is still living) and Emma (also still living).

According to the FreeBMD site there was the following birth:-

Name of child - EDDY, William J
Name of mother - EDDY
Reg. Penzance R.D. June Qtr 1920 vol. 5c pg 414

This 'may' be your William John.

Around this period in time the St Catherine's House Index specifies only the maiden name of the mother.

In this case we seem to have two options.

1. Janie had married someone else named EDDY
2. William John was an illegitimate son of Janie

I have, so far, been unable to find a possible marriage for Janie so this is most curious:-

In the 1930 Census in the US, it strangely asks, "Age of first Marriage" to which is listed 26. So she must have been married in Penzance/Gulval sometime around 1819 and her son, William John, was born shortly after.

The only possible marriage I can find was of a Janie EDE at Liskeard in 1919 to someone named KENDALL but this is a long way from Penzance.

By what name did Janie and her son enter the US via Ellis Island.

You also indicate that Janie had five further children after arriving in the US.

I gather from this that she married your great-grandfather after arrival.

At the moment my impression is that William John was an illegitimate child.
Janie may have been married to an EDDY cousin who died early but ...

My thoughts are that Janie's first marriage was in the US and that she either misrepresented her age or it was recorded incorrectly. (Have we not seen this before )

Please update information on Janie's marriage in the US so that I might pursue things a little further on the UK side of things.

Will post more as I find things of help and interest.

[americaneddybranch]

Sorry I've been quiet lately...been busy this week!

Anywho, thanks so much for all of your research to this point. I only have time to respond to your inquiries about Janie.

She arrived at the Port of New York on June 19, 1922. The record from Ellis Island states that her marital status was 'single' (which might lend credence to some of the musings we've both had). It states that her last place of residence was Penzance. On the ship manifest records, they asked several other questions:
Whether having a ticket to such final destination - YES
By whom was passage paid-SELF
Whether in possession of $50 and if less, how much? yes (95)
Whether going to join a relative or friend; and if so, what relative or friend and complete address: Sister: Mrs. Tinney 461 Exchange Street, Rochester

Purpose of coming to the United States
Length of time alien intends to remain in the United States? Perm
Whether alien intends to become a citizen of the united states? Yes

Both she and William were noted as in good heath. She was 5'2 (a shortie!), fair complexion, brown hair, grey eyes. Place of Birth: Gulval
Place of birth listed for William was Penzance.

To tie to this, there are records of May (aka Mrs. Tinney) coming to the US twice. The first was April 27 1913 and she's listed as being married and going to her husband. She came back again from the UK February 12, 1921. The brought her daughter, little Minnie, with her and I assume this was a visit to see the family. Since their mother died a few months later, it's possible they knew she was in poor heath and went to see her.

I looked back through the records to find Herbert (May's husband). He came here May 10, 1910 and was listed as single. He was going to see his sister, Jessie Mitchell (that could be wrong as the handwriting was hard to read). Either he went back again to the UK or May came here first before they were married and I just may not be able to find those records.

OK...so back to Janie. Once here, she stayed with May for a while and got a job working here. She apparently wasn't too far from my great-grandfather, Owen Burley. They met and were married. Their first child, Robert (middle name Eddy) was born in 1924. Janie and Owen must have married sometime between 1922-1924. I doubt she was married to someone else before him HERE.

I think the reference to her first marriage in the census could be because she a.) really was married (in some sense) before to the father of William or b.) felt compelled to say/imply she was when the person taking the census information asked the questions about where each person was born. She would have had to say William was from England while the rest of her children were born here in the states.

I find this all rather fascinating. What life must have been like during this time....

[Cornish Terrier]

Sorry I cannot add much more tonight.

Have been trying to work through some of the Eddy/Tregoning/Corin connections to see what I could find.

It appears, once again, that there was a lot of intermarriage going on between these families, particularly Corin and Tregoning.

Need to try and pursue it a bit further and will try to keep you updated.

[Cornish Terrier]

I still have some work to do on the Corin family and their connections to this scenario and hope that I can get back to them and explain my findings sometime soon.

However - there is another family involved here which has started causing some headaches.

Whilst a bit of sideline from the initial Eddy query, this is still part of the scenario and is a little interesting.

It is more to do with the TREGONING family - in particular, two of Ann TREGONING'S siblings (Sarah and Joseph).

Please pay attention kids. ;D

30 Jan 1859 by Banns
Richard Mildren 26 Labourer of Church Town (Father: James Mildren, Innkeeper)
Sarah Tregoning 30 of Church Town [mark] (Father: Richard Tregoning, Gardener)
Witnesses: B. Jeffery, Richard Tregoning

Note that Richard Mildren's age is recorded here as '26'.

In the 1861 Census:-

Chyandour, Gulval

Richard Mildren, head, mar, 26, labourer, Gulval
Sarah do., wife, mar, 32, Gulval
Elizabeth do., daur, 2, Gulval

I have found the baptisms for Sarah (Tregoning) and Elizabeth (Mildren) but there appears no sign of a baptism for Richard Mildren at Gulval. (And note that his age did not alter over those two years. )

Several years earlier at Gulval I found the following marriage:-

1 Aug 1848 by Banns
Philip Jeffery 28 Farmer of Gulval (Father: Philip Jeffery, Farmer)
Grace Mildren 21 of Gulval (Father: James Mildren, Innkeeper)
Witnesses: James Mildren, Mary Ann Mildren

I believe I have identified Philip Jeffery but will leave that to another note as it probably belongs on another thread anyway.

But the next connection to the TREGONING family is the marriage of Ann's brother Joseph at Gulval:-

17 Sep 1859 by Banns
Joseph Tregoning 19 Labourer of Gulval (Father: Richard Tregoning, Farmer)
Mary Jane Mildren 17 of Gulval [mark] (Father: James Mildren, Innkeeper, illegitimate dau of Marianne Mildren[?])
Witnesses: James Mildren, D. Jeffery

In all three marriages the father is named as 'James Mildren, Innkeeper'.

But Mary Jane, 17, is shown as the illigetimate daughter of MARIANNE MILDREN.

IS THERE A STORY HERE.

And now to the Census.

1851 Census - Quay Street, Penzance

James Mildren, head, mar, 50, landlord, St Kevern
Grace do., wife, mar, 50, St Kevern
Elizabeth do., daur, unm, 25, at home, Phillack
James do., son, unm, 17, at home, Phillack
Richard do., son, unm, 14, at home, Phillack
MARY JANE do., daur, 8, at home, Phillack
Albert do., g'son, 4, at home, Penzance

I believe this is the correct family which leads to a couple of questions/comments.

James is born at St Kevern, as is his wife, but more on them in a moment.

I cannot do much with the Phillack births for this period as I do not have the information available but can check IGI:-

Elizabeth Mildren d/o James & Grace bp. 29 May 1825
Grace Mildren d/o James & Grace bp. 30 Sep 1827
James Henry Mildren s/o James & Grace bp. 23 Nov 1834
Richard Mildren s/o James & Grace bp. 29 Jan 1837

A search of IGI has also found this at St Keverne:-

Mary Ann Mildren d/o James & Grace bp. 11 Aug 1822

This leads me to think that MARY JANE was actually the GRANDAUGHTER of James.

Cannot yet find James Mildren in 1841 but 1861 is interesting:-

1861 Census - Tregender, Ludgvan

James Mildren, head, mar, 62, farmer, St Kevern
Grace do., wife, mar, 61, St Kevern
Albert do., g'son, 15, farmer, Madron
Mary do., daur, 19, Madron

This is quite peculiar although I believe it is the same family.

I believe Mary to be 'Mary Jane' - the girl who married Joseph Tregoning two years prior to this Census.

But what is just as interesting is to take a look at the same Census for Joseph Tregoning.

He is then enumerated with his parents but his age is recorded in the Census as "29" where it should actually be "21".

Joseph is also recorded as 'Married'.

Now, briefly, to James and Grace Mildren.

This is how I see things (and I would welcome comments and corrections when and where necessary)

St Keverne Baptisms

11 Feb 1799 James s/o Richard & Mary Mildren
16 Mar 1800 James s/o John & Judith Mildren

At this point I would, given the currently known children of James, believe that the 1799 baptism would be 'our man'.

St Keverne Marriages

01 May 1820 James Mildren m. Grace Pearce

St Keverne Baptisms

24 Feb 1801 Grace d/o Henry & Rachel Pearce

(Possibility only)

Now for some possible children of James and Grace Mildren baptised at St Keverne:-

13-Sep 1820 Elizabeth dau of James Grace MILDREN Tregellast Private Labourer James Pascoe Vicar

11-Aug 1822 Mary Ann dau of James Grace MILDREN Chivrane Labourer James Pascoe Vicar

IF I have identified the correct family then it would seem that it was soon after 1822 that they moved away. (Possibly straight to Phillack).

But this appears to be the right family and Mary Ann would have been the mother of Mary Jane who later married Joseph Tregoning.

Again - IF this is the right family then James has gone from 'labouring' to 'innkeeping' and back to 'farming/labouring' again. (Maybe he got sick of the 'innkeeping' and decided his other occupations were much less work.)

I think I know how he must have felt. ;D

I do hope I have not bored you all with this - but it is a problem that has been 'annoying me' since I first got involved with this query and I wanted to try and solve it - for my own sanity.

I have not yet updated my own database with all of this as I would some feedback.

Would also like to review it again myself but it does look a likely scenario.

Thank you all for your attention and questions may be asked.

You may all go now and enjoy your play-lunch before resuming studies. ;D

[americaneddybranch]

Is the William Eddy married to Margaret From St. Keverne from the 1891 census related to the branch we've been talking about?

www.st-keverne.com/history/records/census1891.html

[Cornish Terrier]

Right at this point in time - I am not sure about that Eddy connection.

Will need a reminder on this one.

Been trying to sort another problem which has taken me much more time than I thought. (But I should expect that.

Need to check on some stuff on the 'Murder of William TREWHELLA' (see thread) also but may not have time now.

Will check through the rest of the Board and see what I can do before I head off to 'noddy land' for a few hours.

Please remind me about this Eddy query and I will look into it for you.

[gandolf]

Hi americaneddybranch, from an Australian Eddy branch!

I descend from Richard Eddy who married Ann Trembath, through their son Edward Eddy (1791-1861) who married Margaret Oates (1793-1875).
Their daughter Caroline Eddy (1825-1906) married George Watts (1824-1884) and they moved to central Victoria, Australia during the 1850's gold rush. These are my 3 greats-grandparents.

Oct 3, 2007 0:09:04 GMT -5 americaneddybranch said:

Further back for the Eddy's:
*Henry Eddy (Son of Richard Eddy and Ann Trenbath) married Mary Jeffrey.
*Richard Eddy (Son of Richard Eddy and Francis Banfield) married Ann Trenbath (daughter of John Trenbath and MAry Grenfield).
Richard Eddy (son of Richard Eddy and Joan Richards) married Francis Banfield (daughter of John Banfield and Joan Burrell...these names sounds very familiar as I'm typing this....as if I remember someone mentioning them in other posts).

Richard Eddy (christened 10 Jun 1717 Gulval, died circa 1796 Madron) married 17 Nov 1741 at Uny Lelant to Frances Banfield.

Frances Banfield was NOT the child of John Banfield and Jane Burrell, but rather their niece. John and Jane Banfield did have two children named Francis, but both were boys (the older one presumably died in his teens, before the birth of the second Francis). Unfortunately, at least one person who has published their family on the web has tried to shoehorn Richard Eddy's wife in as a third, undocumented child called Francis/Frances.

The Frances Banfield who married Richard Eddy was christened 13 October 1723 at Lelant (Uny Lelant). She was the daughter of Edward and Wilmot (nee Tyack) Banfield. Frances Banfield's father Edward was the brother of the John Banfield who married Jane Burrell.

[gandolf]

Although it is off-topic for a thread on the Eddy family, it is worth noting that Frances Banfield's parents Edward Banfield and Wilmot Tyack were second cousins through their common great-grandparents James and Frances Hampton