Hugh Rowe/Elizabeth Tresise

[rowen]

Looking for the above which are listed in LDS as follows:

Hugh Rowe b. abt 1760 St Just
m. 8Jan1785 St.Just
Elizabeth Tresise b. abt 1764 St. Just

I cannot find any families to go with them. No Tresise' I can find were from and married in St. Just and having children at the right time to have had Elizabeth.
All are at least 20 years too late.

Cannot find any possibilities for Hugh Rowe either.

Do these two mean anything to anybody?
Thanks
Rowen

And yes, still looking for parents of my Sarah Row/Rowe (b.abt.1785-1789). Mother of my William Osborne Rowe. Pat Banks says she has a Sarah Row and she was baptised in St. Just, so I am back to St. Just. I am still waiting to hear from Margaret Owens.

I have found the father, I just can't find the mother
I will go thru every Rowe family in St. Just if I have to.......

[cornishmaid]

Hi Rowen

I don't know if you've already looked at the transcriptions, but they have both baptisms and marriages for the right periods at the Cornwall Centre in Redruth. Will try to get over there today to have a look for you if you haven't already seen them.

[rowen]

I would dearly love to go to Redruth, more than you can ever imagine.

But I am in Virginia, so if they aren't online, or if I can't get a CD of whatever they have, I am out of luck.

Anything you could find to help eliminate these two as parents of Sarah would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Rowen

Note: This is really weird. I go on the main LDSFamilySearch site and find these people. I go on GENUKI under St. Just and find ZERO.

[Cornish Terrier]

As said in an earlier post on a different thread - IGI does not yet, to my knowledge, have full coverage of baptisms for Cornwall.

However I have done a search of IGI and it is interesting to note that they show your Elizabeth Tresise as 'born abt. 1764, of St Just'.

The first problem here is, as stated, they do not have full coverage so her baptism is not recorded on their site.

The second problem is the 'born abt.' scenario.

When you see this in the IGI it is often quite significant:-

They record males as being married at age 25 and females at age 21 as a basis (and probably an average).

So either party could have been older or younger than what you have found.

I looked for Elizabeth using a birth date of 1766 +/- 5 years and the only one that appears in IGI in that time frame is:-

Eliz Trezise bp. 2nd February 1768 Germoe d/o William and Brudget

I would not be overly concerned about this and it 'could' prove to be your girl because she may well have been baptised quite some time after she was born.

It is also possible she was married at the age of 16.

Have now just done a search for Hugh Rowe using a time-frame of 1758-1768 and have come up with your most likely candidate:-

Hugh ROW bp. 13th March 1760 Sancreed s/o Bernard and Deborah (Date and names confirmed from the Sancreed Online Parish Register Transcript)

This one is quite likely given the proximity of Sancreed to St Just.

Let's see if that is any help and I will try to do more as I have time.

I may have transcripts from some other surrounding Parishes that may locate Elizabeth but I cannot do it right now.

Ian

[cornishmaid]

Have just been looking at the St Just transcripts for you.

The only Elizabeth Tresise I could find was baptised on 21 April 1776, daughter of John and Thomasin Tresise. I would say this was much too late for your Elizabeth. A lot of Tresise families were marrying and having children in the right time frame, but I'm afraid none called Elizabeth that I could find. I had a look on FHO and came up with the same Elizabeth as Cornish Terrier.

As for Hugh Rowe I think that our clever Cornish Terrier has found the correct baptism, ie Hugh Row, bapt on 13 March 1760 in Sancreed to Bernard and Deborah. (Looking at the IGI it would appear that Deborah's maiden name was Hoskin, and they married 26 December 1752 in Paul). No Hugh Rowes were baptised in St Just in the correct time frame, however, I did make a note of the children baptised to Hugh and Elizabeth just in case any names proved helpful. They baptised a Bernard Rowe on 20 October 1793! . On the marriage of Hugh to Elizabeth it states he was a 'tinner'.

As for Sarah Row, no trace of a baptism for her in St Just I'm afraid. Unfortunately the St Just transcriptions aren't indexed, so I had to trawl through them. I did find a Sarah, daughter of William Rawe of Bojewian, but that was on 6 December 1761.

I also found a marriage of William Rowe , h, & Elizabeth Osborne on 14 April 1768 in St Buryan. Probably not helpful, but the Rowe/Osborne connection caught my eye

[cornishmaid]

Something else to throw in the pot...
I have just been googling and another researcher has attributed Elizabeth Tresise as being the daughter of Joseph Tresise and Elizabeth Whear. There is no baptism date cited for Elizabeth Tresise. They have also cited Hugh's parents as Bernard Row and Deborah. Could have saved myself 2 hours of work earlier , but 'tis best to do it yourself eh ;D

[Cornish Terrier]

Well done 'me luvvly'

You are quite right in having spent those 2 hours and with your comment about having done so.

Many family histories have been 'soiled' because the compiler 'took for granted' the word of someone else.

Have seen this numerous times and there is a booklet on my own ancestry that is a classic example.

The family member who wrote this has long since died but I must say that he had done quite a bit of work in meeting and talking to people to elicit what he did.

His information led me to track down more about the families who went to Russia, Chile, America and Italy.

My first introduction to errors came from this book when I found two charts which showed the same people in each but attached to different parents. (This work was done back in the '70's)

I have managed to correct the bulk of the errors in this work.

Unfortunately there are, I believe, still people with an interest in the Trewhella families who have a copy of the document and 'treat it as gospel'.

But I have waffled on for which I apologise.

I think it is nearly time I went to bed.

[cornishmaid]

Cornish Terrier, I know exactly what you mean about misinformation . Such a shame really.

And apologies Rowen, I have just re-read your postings and believe I didn't answer your main point, ie eliminating Hugh Row and Elizabeth Tresise as parents of Sarah.

I think it would be safe to indeed say that they were not Sarah's parents. I found the following baptisms of children to Hugh and Elizabeth:

31 October 1785 - Elizabeth
28 March 1788 - Mary
13 April 1791 - Hugh
20 October 1793 - Bernard
17 April 1796 - Hugh
22 March 1799 - James
25 May 1800 - Richard
25 December 1802 - Elizabeth )- Same child
1 March 1803 - Elizabeth )

No Sarah, and not much time to fit another child in into the appropriate time frame. Did they baptise her elsewhere? Well, I wouldn't have said so as all the other children were baptised in St Just.

If this were me I would eliminate Hugh and Elizabeth as being Sarah's parents. (Although I would keep their names handy just in case I was later proved wrong.)

So... it would seem we need to search in surrounding parishes for Sarah's baptism.

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks for the update m'darlin.

There is actually room to fit Sarah into this scenario if she was actually born c. 1785-89.

The options would be 1786, 1787, 1789 and 1790 - there is just room there and the time-frame fits.

The books I need are not readily accessible just now but we could look at Morvah, Sancreed, Sennen, St Levan, Madron, St Buryan and Paul as the main areas to look at.

It was not unusual to have one child out of many baptised in a different Parish to the rest in those days, dependent on the current circumstances.

And IGI is of absolutely no help in this case.

Will come back to this later.

Time to summon up the energy to move some shelves and start clearing some more boxes so I can make this place liveable.

Might even be able to get at the kitchen soon so that I can 'cook some tucker'.

Will check back in a little later and see what is happening.

Ian

[rowen]

I cannot thank you both enough for your help in this seemingly impossible quest.

I am, however, an extremely determined individual and although Hugh and Elizabeth are removed from the front, I have found yet another possibility for my Sarah.

Whatever Pat Banks tells me, I just don't think Sarah was from St. Just. I have waded thru about 20 Rowe families in St. Just so far and am finding zero.

I have found something else and am moving myself forthwith to Camborne before we get going.
Please check there and see what you think when you have the time. I refuse to quit and she will rest quietly until I find her.....
Thanks
Rowen

[Cornish Terrier]

That is what I like to see - the true Cornish Spirit - DON'T GIVE UP. ;D

Think I have acknowledged a note on this subject in another thread so will try and look into, and answer, it tomorrow.

Ian