Thomas Edwards marr. Elizabeth Edwards 1711

[trencrom]

Thomas and Elizabeth married on 9/2/1711/2 at St. Just, and had the following children, all christened at St. Just:
Thomas, chr. 2/11/1712, bd 25/4/1721,
Martin, chr. 28/5/1715, marr. Jane Trembath of Morvah on 25/5/1751 at Madron,
Edward, chr. 24/8/1717,
William, chr. 4/3/1720,
Elizabeth, chr. 7/7/1722, bd 20/11/1723,
Margery, chr. 9/10/1724, marr. William Trathen 1754 at Madron,
Elizabeth, chr. 21/7/1729.

My first reaction was to identify Thomas as the Thomas christened in 1686 to Thomas Edwards and Elizabeth Gwinnop, on the basis that the chronology fitted and in particular given the onomastic similarities between these two Edwards families (both had children called Martin and Margery), however a death record in 1693 at St Just was subsequently found for “Thomas son of Thomas Edwards”, and rather frustratingly this appears to be the same child.

Is there any other child that could be a candidate for this burial record?

On the assumption that my Thomas is someone else, I therefore called in several Edwards wills to try to go further back, but could not establish anything, despite the surname and even the given names occurring frequently in the area at that time.

Does anyone have any information as to who the parents of either of these two Edwardeses were? I seem to have run into a brick wall here.

[Zenobia]

I have often wondered if any of the St. Just bunch of Edwards were related to the Lelant ones.

I've noted that some of the St. Jsut family seemed prominent, and I thing there was a gent or two in there. Untangling them would certainly be a boon.

Trencrom, do you have any general info on early St. Just baptisms, marriages and burials for the surname Edwards? Could you post it here?

[trencrom]

Zenobia:

I have some information although I have not done a complete study of all references to this surname for St Just parish for the pre-1700 period, only those that I thought might turn out to be my direct line.


Thomas Edwards married Joan Downing on 12/11/1615 at St Just. They had the following children:

Martin, marr. Margery John 31/10/1646 at St. Just, 6 children,

Margery, marr. William John 1644,

Justinian, christened 23/7/1623 at St. Just, marr. Margaret Kellwen 28/1/1656/7 at St. Just, 6 children,

Mary, chr. 25/2/1631/2, marr. Nowell Roberts 21/11/1656 at St. Just, 9 children, bd 7/3/1688.

Joan outlived her husband and was buried on 9/9/1659 at St Just.


Martin and Margery had the following children (per familysearch), all at St Just:

Jane, chr. 20/8/1647, marr. John Oats 1/11/1673, 3 children,

Oliver, chr. 10/11/1650,

Margery, chr. 30/12/1653, marr. Melchisedek Bone 22/9/1682, 7 children,

Thomas, chr. 29/10/1656, marr. Elizabeth Gwinnop 11/11/682,

Margaret, chr. 28/9/1659, marr. John Pierce 24/6/1671, 3 children,

Tomlisen (f) chr. 9/2/1662.

Martin was buried on 25/11/1692 at St Just.


Justinian and Margaret had the following children (per familysearch), all at St Just:

William, chr. 6/12/1657,

Jane, chr. 28/2/1658, marr. James Chirgwin14/1/1684,

Thomas, chr. 20/8/1661, bd 12/1/1663,
Mary, chr. 2/7/1664,

Noah, chr. 1/9/1666,

John, chr. 16/5/1668.


I do not have the details of Thomas and Eliz Gwinnop's children to hand right now, but can check and post same later.

Here are the details of the wills I referred to:

Thomas Edwards (husband of Jone downing) left a PCC will in which he left Joan a small tenement at Carnegourth, and son Justinian a tenement at Bosavean jointly with Joan. Money is also left to son Martin and daughter Mary, and reference is made to unnamed grandchildren.

Oliver Edwards (father of a Thomas). Administration papers dated 1702 record that the administration was granted to John Borlase, the principal creditor of Oliver Edwards, late of St Just.

Edward Edwards of St Just, yeoman; will dated 1703 refers to wife Alice (Edward Edwards marr. Alice Ellis 17/1/1666 St Just), Edward son of William Edwards my kinsman (aged under 21), Thomas Edwards son of my brother Thomas Edwards (who received a part share of the deceased's lands at Corallack), Margaret daughter of my brother John Edwards, William son of William Edwards my kinsman, and John son of William Edwards.

There is also an admin bond in the names of John Edwards of St Just, gent, Jacob Millett of St Just, & William Edwards of St Just, which says that Alice died intestate, and the administration of the will was granted to John Edwards, as guardian to Edward Edwards the principal legatee named in the will.

This will is of especial interest as several of the people named therein I could not find in the IGI.

Richard Edwards, yeoman of St Just; will dated 1717 refers to grandson John Edwards, daughter Margery Gendall (b. 1681, marr. 1704 per IGI), daughter Prudence (b. 1697 ditto), son Hugh (b. 1684), and wife Grace. An Elizabeth Edwards was a witness.

John Edwards, yeoman of St Just; will proved in 1729 refers to daughters Mary and Katherine, aged under 21, and wife Mary.

John Edwards of Tregamion, Morvah; will dated 1735 refers to son Matthew aged under 21, daughters Patience Ogens and Constance Edwards, granddaughter Ann, aged under 20, wife Patience, and to the deceased's land at Trethwell at St Just.

Trencrom

[Cornish Terrier]

Another item of some interest that I can merely acknowledge for now and respond to properly at a later date.

Please keep this discussion going and I will take a good look at it to see what I might be able to offer.

Ian

[Zenobia]

Yes, that original Thomas looks too early to come from the Lelant family, unless he is an unknown son of William and Philippa. Unlikely tho' I would think.

[kerthen]

Trencrom,

Do you know if there is a collateral Thomas EDWARDS who married Eulalia GIBBES before about 1679 among these EDWARDSes you've cited above ? These were the parents of Jane EDWARDS who married John LAWRY of St Just in Penwith in 1701.

I'm just getting started working on this group and don't know anything at all about them except the names of Jane EDWARDS and John LAWRY's children.

Any suggestions for a fuller family group would be most appreciated.

kerthen

[white]

I can help with the Gibbes line if you want, Roy

[kerthen]

Hi Roy,
Yes, please to help with the GIBBES line. As I said, these folks are mostly new to me, as is work in these parishes. Mine have mostly been in Ludgvan, St Erth, St Hilary and Crowan up til now.

Barbara

[white]

Hi Barbara, have sent a personal message with my e mail address.
do contact me and I can take the Gibbes line back to pre 1600
Roy

[trencrom]

Jan 27, 2009 0:01:12 GMT -5 kerthen said:

Trencrom,

Do you know if there is a collateral Thomas EDWARDS who married Eulalia GIBBES before about 1679 among these EDWARDSes you've cited above ? These were the parents of Jane EDWARDS who married John LAWRY of St Just in Penwith in 1701.

kerthen

Hi Kerthen,

Thanks for your post.
I'm not sure if I know of this other Thomas Edwards or not -- I don't have my notes here to check -- but would be curious to know more from you about him. Could he perhaps be the father of the Thomas that I was originally asking about?

Trencrom