CASLEY and TREMBATH and CUNDY

[Chris]

Researching Elizabeth CASLEY c 1800 St Just in Penwith, who married Thomas TREMBATH 13 Mar 1822 St Just in Penwith.

I believe their children to be:
John TREMBATH
Thomas TREMBATH
Elizabeth TREMBATH c 7 Jun 1822 married William BETTS
Richard TREMBATH c 1835 St Just (emigrated to Australia)
William Trembath c 1836 married Lucinda Emmerly CUNDY (emigrated to Australia).

[Cornish Terrier]

By Crikey you are keeping me busy.

I reckon this will be the family in the 1841 Census from what you have mentioned:-

1841 Trevorven(?), Morvah

Thomas Trembath, 45, miner
Elizabeth, 40
Elizabeth, 15
Thomas, 15, miner
John, 12, miner
William, 8
Richard, 5

They are living next to Richard and Elizabeth Trembath and family.

Remember that in the 1841 Census 'adults' (i.e. over 15) had their age rounded down to the nears five years.

Once again I need you to supply a little more information if you can.

I am having difficulty locating the family in 1851 and 1861 Census records so all further detail you may be able to supply will help.

One further thing I can offer:-

Just did a search of IGI for Elizabeth CASLEY born between 1795-1805 and came up with only two entries.

The first is baptised 1797 at St Just as d/o Noah and Elizabeth Casley.

The second was bp. 06 Jan 1799 at St Just as d/o Richard and Margaret CASLEY.

I am thinking that the second one will be YOUR Elizabeth.

IF this is correct then I believe her parents to be:-

Richard CASLEY m. Margaret WARREN 30 May 1789 at St Just

PLS Remember that this is all IF at the moment but IF this is the case then I believe Elizabeth to be the 7th of 13 children to this couple.

And IF I am correct then her sister JANE (bp. 1800) was the SECOND WIFE of my 3xgt-grandfather William TREWHELLA. ;D

More work to be done before this is proved but .....

[Chris]

Yes that certainly looks like them in 1841.

I have a possible emigration for some members of the family in Aug 1867 - arriving in Melbourne on the "White Star" - but no proof it is correct.

Yes - I have seen the two possible records for Elizabeth CASLEY on the IGI..but had no way of determining which might have been correct. Any reasoning for your thought that mine is the second one?

Cheers
Chris

[Cornish Terrier]

Chris - given that the 1841 Census required the age of adults to be round (I believe usually down) to the nearest 5 makes things difficult.

However the name 'Noah' is a little unique and does not appear among the children for Thomas and Elizabeth.

Although the youngest of four sons appearing in the 1841 Census we do find RICHARD and that, at the moment, is my sole reason for suggesting that Elizabeth was more likely the daughter of Richard and Margaret Casley.

I have tried again tonight but cannot find any further trace of the family in the Census Records.

Big problem is that the name, depending on the quality of original records, could have been indexed in any number of ways.

The more information you can supply me the more I may be able to help.

Anything at all you have on the children (and also the Australian stuff) could give me some more clues.

[allan1962]

I'm a new member & it may be that this post had been closed. However, I have
In the 1861 census, Elizabeth Trembath, widowed sister of Thomas Casley, aged 66, was living with her son Thomas Casley & his family in Church Town, Morvah.
Allan.

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Allan,
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[allan1962]

I've just finished researching Elizabeth Casley m Thomas Trembath & concluded that Elizabeth is Elizabeth Bone Casley d of Noah & Elizabeth Bone bap30 Oct 1797. My findings & reasonings cover a two-page doc. which I've offered to send to coolgarra via a PM.
Allan.

[allan1962]

Dec 19, 2012 18:03:45 GMT -5 allan1962 said:

I've just finished researching Elizabeth Casley m Thomas Trembath & concluded that Elizabeth is Elizabeth Bone Casley d of Noah & Elizabeth Bone bap30 Oct 1797. My findings & reasonings cover a two-page doc. which I've offered to send to coolgarra via a PM.
Allan.

I've not heard from coolgarra so I'm posting my findings, which are as follows:-

Parents of Elizabeth Casley bap 06 Jan 1799
The marriage certificate for Thomas Trembath & Elizabeth Casley doesn’t give the names of the parents.
One witness was Honour Williams. An Honour Williams married a James Casley on 04 Mar 1804 so it can’t have been her but it may have been a relative of hers. There are six Honor Williams baptised in St Just between 1782 & 1816.
The 1861 census shows Elizabeth Trembath aged 66, making her year of birth c1795, the widowed sister of the head Thomas Casley aged 55, making his year of birth c1806.
My tree shows Elizabeth’s parents to be Richard Casley & Margaret Warren but they don’t have a son Thomas b c1806.
I’ve searched the Baptisms Register & found only two Thomas’s which would fit in with the 1861 census, namely:-
1. 12 May 1805 Thomas s of Noah & Elizabeth.
Noah Casley m Elizabeth Bone on 06 Feb 1796. I’ve found five children in the Baptisms Register with parents Noah Casley & Elizabeth. They are Elizabeth Bone 30 Oct 1797, Mary Bone 03 Nov 1799, Noah 31 Oct 1803, Thomas 12 May 1805, & Ann 02 Nov 1807. From the evidence in the censuses, this points to Elizabeth Bone Casley 1797 being the wife of Thomas Trembath, & not Elizabeth Casley bap 06 Jan 1799.
In the 1841 census, & bearing in mind that the ages for adults were rounded down to the nearest number divisible by 5, the Thomas Trembath/Elizabeth Bone Casley family would show:-
All born in Cornwall
Thomas 45 yob 1792-1796
Elizabeth 40 yob 1797-1801
Elizabeth 15 yob 1822-1826
Thomas 15 yob 1822-1826
John 12 yob 1828-1829
William 8 yob 1832-1833
Richard 5 yob 1835-1836
No mention of Mary Anne Trembath bap 08 May 1831. However, a Mary Trembath aged 6 was buried on 16 Oct 1836 in St Just, residence Bosavern.
In the 1851 census:-
Living at Bojewyan Stenock [?], St Just.
Elizabeth 57 widow yob 1793-1794 b St Just
John 23 yob 1827-1828 b St Just
William 22 yob 1828-1829 b St Just
Thomas 19 yob 1831-1832 b St Just. ANOTHER SON. WHERE DID HE COME FROM? CAN’T FIND A SUITABLE BAPTISM.
IS THIS THE RIGHT ELIZABETH? CAN’T FIND ANOTHER SUITABLE ELIZABETH IN THE CENSUS.
In the 1861 census:-
Living at New Rowe, Nancegollan, Crowan.
John head unm 36 yob 1824-1825 b St Just
Elizabeth mother widow 66 yob 1794-1795 b St Just
FITS OUR ELIZABETH BUT JOHN A BIT OLD.
In the 1861 census:-
Living at Church Town, Morvah
Thomas Casley head 55 yob 1805-1806 b St Just
Margaret w 58 yob 1802-1803 b Morvah
Elizabeth I d u 20 yob 1840-1841 b Morvah
William s u 17 yob 1843-1844 b Morvah
Susan d u 12 yob 1848-1849 b Morvah
Elizabeth Trembath sister widow 66 yob 1794-1795 b St Just
THIS LOOKS LIKE OUR ELIZABETH.
In the 1871 census:-
Living at Carnyorth Tem[?], St Just
Elizabeth head widow 79 yob 1791-1792 b St Just.
Living on her own. Bit old for our Elizabeth, who may already have died – see burial below.
Can’t find Elizabeth in the 1881 census. May have died earlier.
Burial of Elizabeth Trembath.
12 Jan 1871 residence Carrallack, St Just 76 yob 1794-1795. Probably our Elizabeth.
20 Dec 1878 residence Church Town, St Just 97 yob 1780-1781. Too old for our Elizabeth.
03 Oct 1881 residence Crowlas, Ludgvan 84 yob 1796-1797. Found this Elizabeth in the 1881 census. She was a widow & a boarder with the Morris family in Ludgvan.
Found othe burials but age at death did not fit our Elizabeth.
2. 30 Sep 1805 Thomas son of Thomas & Margaret.
Thomas Casley m Margaret Hockin on 12 Jan 1794. They had seven children.
Son Thomas Casley was baptised on 30 Sep 1805. He died aged 16 & was buried on 22 Dec 1821.
This cannot be the Thomas brother of Elizabeth, who whe was living with in 1861.

Comments would be appreciated - I think

Allan.

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[Cornish Terrier]

Allan - That particular image is a perfect example of those you need to be very careful of!

Although I believe you probably got it from FamilySearch I think it may still be covered by the Cornwall Record Office Copyright!
(In any case there is probably a copyright involved through FamilySearch)

I think it probably best that you remove this one.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

In the 1841 census, & bearing in mind that the ages for adults were rounded down to the nearest number divisible by 5, the Thomas Trembath/Elizabeth Bone Casley family would show:-
All born in Cornwall
Thomas 45 yob 1792-1796
Elizabeth 40 yob 1797-1801
Elizabeth 15 yob 1822-1826
Thomas 15 yob 1822-1826
John 12 yob 1828-1829
William 8 yob 1832-1833
Richard 5 yob 1835-1836
No mention of Mary Anne Trembath bap 08 May 1831.

Mary Ann Trembath age 8 was buried 30th July 1839 at Morvah

In 1841 the family was at Trevowan, Morvah as above.

The 1861 census shows Elizabeth Trembath aged 66, making her year of birth c1795, the widowed sister of the head Thomas Casley aged 55, making his year of birth c1806.

There are a couple of points to consider with this before spending too much time trying to make the identifications!

1. Thomas Casley's sister may have been widowed when she married Mr Trembath which would mean that she is a completely different Elizabeth anyway.

2. After 1841 no trace (at least so far) can be found of ANY member of the family of Thomas and Elizabeth Trembath in England!!!

It is unfortunate that Chris (coolgarra) did not respond with the additional information I requested a few years back because we are really flying in the dark here.
In the first post there is mention of the marriages of some of the Trembath children:-

Elizabeth TREMBATH c 7 Jun 1822 married William BETTS
Richard TREMBATH c 1835 St Just (emigrated to Australia)
William Trembath c 1836 married Lucinda Emmerly CUNDY (emigrated to Australia).

I have not found any of these in England and they do not appear to be in South Australia or Victoria.

The marriage of William may have been in New South Wales where there is record of a William Trembath marrying 'LUCUIDA CUSEDY' in 1860. This looks very much like a poor interpretation of 'Lucinda Cundy'.

Ah! - and there is a marriage for an Eliza Trembath to William Betts in New South Wales in 1850.

There are several births and one death for children of William and Lucinda in NSW but apart from that I have been able to find nothing else on the family so it would be really hand if Chris could rejoin us and help out a little.

Bottom line is - Until we can find the family in 1851 there is little point stressing over the 1861 entry of Elizabeth Trembath with brother Thomas Casley. We really need to find where they got to after the 1841 Census and then try and track them from there.

CT

[allan1962]

CT,
Tried without success to delete the attachment as you suggested. Help!
Allan.

[Cornish Terrier]

Well, we do seem to have a dilemma! I can't seem to find a way to remove attachments either!

That is very strange but something I should have thought would have been very easy.

Will have to leave it for now but I will continue to try and find a solution.

CT

[allan1962]

Jan 4, 2013 23:19:55 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

Well, we do seem to have a dilemma! I can't seem to find a way to remove attachments either!

That is very strange but something I should have thought would have been very easy.

Will have to leave it for now but I will continue to try and find a solution.

CT

The Help file states "Delete?: To delete an attachment, check the box to the left of the attachment(s) and click the delete button at the bottom to complete the removal." As far as I can see, that statement doesn't Help at all re messages already posted.

Allan.

[Cornish Terrier]

Allan - I have found the 'Help Files' mostly useless and in this case probably more so!

Don't be concerned - I will take another look tomorrow but if I cannot find away then we will have to leave it.

CT

[allan1962]

This website shows descendants of Thomas Trembath & Elizabeth Casley, but no sources are given:-

www.sartorelli.gen.nz/tree/gedbrowser/g6178.html#I30890

Allan.