James Mi(t)chell of Boscarne

[londoner]

We all have those from time to time
Ian must still be having internet problems - it has been very quiet for a while. I cant find any proof of the connection between James 1712 & James 1744 either. It may call for a trip to Redruth to examine the registers or it may just be one of those gaps that cannot be filled.
I presume your Welsh problems are pre 1837 and cant be solved by certificates? I have similar dead ends in Bath and Bristol. But luckily no-one named Smith
Lesley

[trencrom]

tonymitch said:

How can I validate that James (b 1712) was the father of James (b 1744)?

Probate records? check not only for parents' wills/admons but also for any left by potential siblings. St Buryan probates are held by CRO.

tonymitch said:

I have a similar problem tracing my mother's side. Her father was a William Davies and in the 1901 census he gave his brthplace as 'Wales'. Thanks a bundle grandad...!!

Could you check if there is any additional birthplace details supplied in earlier census records pre-1901?

[tonymitch]

Thanks Lesley and Trencom.

I've been off line for a time due to malfunction of my computer. I hit it with a 2lb lump hammer and now it is behaving itself.

My Welsh problems are that my grandfather seems to have appeared like a genie out of a bottle when he married my grandmother in 1899. They were married in Lancashire and I have absolutely no knowledge of where he was during the 1891 census. He most probably was in the USA. My only facts are his name, his father's name (from the marriage certificate) a tentative date of birth (he doesn't appear to have been 'registered') and the statement from the 1901 census that he was born in Wales.

Thanks for the suggestion about probate records, I'll have a look butI'm not so certain that my lot would have had enough money/property to have left wills.

Tony M

[Cornish Terrier]

Tony - the linking of the two James Mitchells is something I will need to look into further as I have not linked them in my database.

My Welsh problems are that my grandfather seems to have appeared like a genie out of a bottle when he married my grandmother in 1899. They were married in Lancashire and I have absolutely no knowledge of where he was during the 1891 census. He most probably was in the USA. My only facts are his name, his father's name (from the marriage certificate) a tentative date of birth (he doesn't appear to have been 'registered') and the statement from the 1901 census that he was born in Wales.

Here is something that some of our Welsh based members may be able to help with.

It is quite possible that his birth was not registered but at the time of his birth laws had been enforced to ensure registration or penalities (of the monetary kind) would be enforced.

Failing a record of Birth Registration I would suggest, if you have an idea of birthplace, that you try to seek out a record of Baptism.

I have had this problem before in Cornwall in the mid-1800's so that might be another avenue.

However, keep posting and I will do the best I can and as I can.

Hopefully I will have Internet access sorted out properly in a few weeks but .............


Ian

[tonymitch]

Thanks Ian...been missing you!!! Let's forget grandad Davies...he aint Cornish, but for the record he was born in Wales, either South or West very possibly Dowlais in about 1872, father Benjamin, moved to USA as an orphan to live with an elder brother in about1883, married grandma on 29 April 1899 in Atherton Lancashire and died in 1958 in Rhyl. Anyone out there can help it would be appreciated.

I have an interesting Cornish problem though which is probably better listed on the Towednack section concerning my g-gmother Elizabeth Furze. I'll tell anyone who's interested there.

Tony M

[Cornish Terrier]

Tony - 'he aint Cornish' but he is still a Celt. (And do not forget that a lot of Cornish folk ended up in Wales.)

Mark Trengove is one of our members who may be willing to give a hand here when he is available as he lives in Wales.

As for your Towednack information (queries) I am trying to work my way through the Board and should get there soon.

Six weeks offline requires a 'bloody' lot of catching up.

Will see what I can do for you when I get to that particular query.

Ian

[tonymitch]

Thanks Ian.....I know he's a Celt and I agree a lot of Cornish folk did end up in Wales...I'm one. Well, 50% Cornish anyway now living in the Principality. My big problem is...who to support in the 6 Nations...but thank God I don't live in Oz....that would be a schizophrenogenic situation as I would be in two minds who to support.

Tony M

[Cornish Terrier]

Tony - I sent a message to a contact in South Africa last night with a copy of your 'Furze' note.

Reply came back today.

Sha Redfern did some checking in her area but was unable to find anything.
She did, however, supply me with contacts for two other Boards in South Africa and I am currently trying to email them with the same information in the hope that someone over there may be able to help.

I received a reply from the Eastern Cape Board stating that I am 'not a member' so the message will be vetted.

Problem is that it now seems my 'email' server is having problems so I am having trouble getting messages in or out.

Although I just had the signal that some have now been received.

A check indicates that my Outbox messages have not yet been sent.

Will continue with this and, should I receive some news for you, will let you know.

Ian

[tonymitch]

Back on the Humphries trail....Samuel Harvey Mitchell (1819) married Mary Ann THOMAS (b 1822 Sennen). They had a child John HUMPHRIES Mitchell (b 1855).

In 1844 Mary Ann THOMAS HUMPHRIES married Samuel Harris Nicholl (13 Jan), witnessed by Joseph Mitchell and George Vingoe.

Thomas Mitchell (grandson of the James who started this whole thing off by 'adopting' Jonathon Humphries) we know married Sarah Humphries and they had a child Joseph but as he would only have been 8 years old in 1844 I don't think he was the witness but Thomas also had a brother Joseph (b 1801)

However.....Mary Ann Thomas was born 1822 in Sennen....and.....Mary Ann Thomas Humphries was born....(wait for it...) 1822 in Sennen (according to her dob on the Sennen OPC site)

Intersestingly, Paul Harris Nicholl was a shoemaker....Samuel Harvey Mitchell, shoemaker...Paul Humphries (father of the blushing bride) labourer but.....1841 census records a Paul Humphries born 1816 a shoemaker living at Crowsanwra. Could be related??? Oh yes...1841 census places a William Mitchell (one of mine) in the same house as a Nickolls, along with a Wallis but then Nickolls is crossed out. Wallis was the name of the man who with James Mitchell back in 1832 was granted land upon which to build a chaple at Crows an Wra.

God, I hate this hobby!

[londoner]

Its very complicated - I think Paul Humphries was son of William who also had a son called Jonathan just to confuse. I'll look them up and try to straighten out who was who.
and by the way in 1847 Esther nitchel ( interesting typo - you can see how Mitchell & Nicholls became confused by those old census takers)- daughter of Joseph married John Tonkin son of Peter & Catherine(nee wallis) whose sister Honor married Jonathan Humphrys - my ancestor

[tonymitch]

Would Joseph Mitchell father of Esther have been married to Grace Gilbert and been born in 1801? If so you have just given me another of his children. The others being John, Joseph, Thomas and Mary.

Tony M

[londoner]

Hi T :)ny.
Esther was baptised 26 Feb 1826 at St Buryan daughter of Joseph & Catherine Mitchell of Boscarne.
Joseph m Catherine Nicholas 12 Nov 1825 at Buryan.
they had another two daughters Kitty Nicholas Mitchell bp 18 Oct 1835. (she married John Clemmens in 1854) and Harriet 1830 who married James Ladner in 1851
Catherine died - burial of Kitty Mitchell 18 Oct 1835 age 30 of Trevorrian in Sennen.
!836 Joseph M widr of Sennen m Grace Rodda at Buryan and had a further 5 children:
Margaret 1836/7, John 1838, Joseph 1840. Thomas 1842 and Mary Gilbert 1844

Grace's parents were Thomas Rodda c 1772 and Mary Gilbert who married 1799 at St Buryan

I assume Joseph was the Son of James & Margaret - b 1801

[londoner]

Just remembered - I am pretty sure from earlier research that Esther & Kitty both went to Australia - I'm sure Ian will be able to confirm this in due course

[tonymitch]

Thanks Lesley,

These people don't seem connected to my lot but of course they could be an offshoot from James (b 1744) and Hester (b 1748) as so far I only have one child of theirs ie James (b 1769)

'Don't suppose they kept a chip shop on the front at St Ives!

Tony M

[londoner]

Dont want to be pushy but look at the names of the children of Joseph and Grace - John, Joseph, Thomas & Mary Gilbert. just as you expected. (margaret is the only one you didn't mention)

I suspect that the Grace Gilbert that you are looking for is theGrace Rodda - that I have found - since her mother's name was Mary Gilbert and she named her daughter Mary Gilbert Mitchell.
Plus I dont think there was another 1801 Joseph and he was "of Boscarne"