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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 8, 2007 9:48:17 GMT -5
Glad to be of help George. I have just taken another look at the 1881 Census and it would appear that no member of Amelia's family (as seen in 1871) can be found. Nor can I find her husband in this Census. This prompts me to think that, in 1871, her husband may have been overseas somewhere and that, once he was 'organised', he either came back for, or sent for, his family to join him. The next problem might be to find just where they went. Keep us informed and we will also let you know if anything else is found that may be of use or interest.
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Oct 17, 2007 13:09:34 GMT -5
Post by georgec on Oct 17, 2007 13:09:34 GMT -5
Hi I have been trying to find the father of William SEMMENS the husband of Jane ELLIOT m 29 Jan 1815 at Sancreed. I think he was a John SEMMENS but have no idea who his wife was. I have been on the opc Sancreed site but with no luck.
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Oct 18, 2007 22:35:13 GMT -5
Post by trencrom on Oct 18, 2007 22:35:13 GMT -5
Hello George, Was your William alive and in Cornwall in the 1841 and 1851 censuses? That should give you his age and birthplace. check "links" on this forum or google for the censuses to find what records there are online for the same.
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Semmans
Oct 20, 2007 9:38:35 GMT -5
Post by georgec on Oct 20, 2007 9:38:35 GMT -5
Thanks will try that. George
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Oct 22, 2007 14:01:23 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 22, 2007 14:01:23 GMT -5
Another link I will have to try and monitor for the time being given my other commitments. Will help as best I can as soon as I am sorted and I do apologise for any delays.
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Oct 23, 2007 12:08:30 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 23, 2007 12:08:30 GMT -5
William and Jane had a son, John, baptised at Sancreed 8th October 1815. The next record I can find for them in that Parish is with the baptism of their son William 13th February 1825. This suggests that they may have spent time in one or more surrounding Parishes. I cannot, at present, find this family in 1841 or 1851 Census Records. But the big problem here could be that 'Semmens' can be spelt in numerous ways which makes the search that much harder. When I have a bit more time I will try to do a search on some of the possible alternatives but just cannot do it right now. A quick search of IGI throws up the following possibilities:- 18th August 1793 Gulval William s/o John Semmens 7th September 1788 Paul William s/o John Semons 28th May 1787 Gulval William s/o John Semmens I would suggest that the first and third entries here may be the same family with the child of 1787 having died. This would leave us with the Paul baptism of 1788 which is a very possible candidate. The other baptisms recorded in IGI for 'about' the right time are at Ludgvan and then much further East. Again checking IGI - search term 'Simmens' - brought up names like Symons, Simmons etc. Another possibility:- 3rd May 1795 Paul William s/o John and Mary SIMMONS These appear to be the best candidates in the right time-frame so please let me know what you think. I can take a look at the Phillimore & Taylor Marriage Index but we may still not be certain unless we can find the family in the Census records. If William and Jane died prior to either 1841 or 1851 then we face a bit of an uphill battle for the time being.
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Oct 23, 2007 14:05:39 GMT -5
Post by georgec on Oct 23, 2007 14:05:39 GMT -5
Ok thanks for all the info I must say this family is doing good keeping the old gray matter working.
Will let you know what I come up with in a day or so.
Thanks for all the help George
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Oct 23, 2007 14:26:48 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 23, 2007 14:26:48 GMT -5
George - you are, as usual, most welcome and it is interesting to note the term 'grey matter'. I have been watching a few movies lately (among my favourites) where you may find similar terms in use. Agatha Christie's Poirot (The Little Grey Cells) And then, of course, is the Sherlock Holmes series with Jeremy Brett. Tends to make one 'think'.
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Oct 14, 2016 12:59:32 GMT -5
Post by birthday1967 on Oct 14, 2016 12:59:32 GMT -5
Hi thanks for the info: I have found out that Harold SEMMENS did a lot of work for Madron Church which his family was devoted to. So will find out more info about this and let you Know what I come up with. Hi think I am related to Harold , my mother is Doreen semmens from a large family who all lived in madron Blair road .my mum was born 21/11/1925 .
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Oct 14, 2016 13:03:14 GMT -5
Post by birthday1967 on Oct 14, 2016 13:03:14 GMT -5
Hi thanks for the info: I have found out that Harold SEMMENS did a lot of work for Madron Church which his family was devoted to. So will find out more info about this and let you Know what I come up with.
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Oct 15, 2016 20:44:29 GMT -5
Post by zibetha on Oct 15, 2016 20:44:29 GMT -5
Re: the "disappearance" of William (18 Nov 1841)and Amelia Spargo, the family can be found in the US. William went first to Maine, giving his date of arrival on his naturalization certificate as April 3, 1972. He was working as a stone cutter on the 1880 Census, with wife Amelia S and children Eva J, Albert T, Laura E(llen), Charles H(enry), Frederick J(ames), Nellie A(melia), Mary D, and William J(ohn.) The family next appears in 1900 at Quincy, Massachusetts. He was the owner of a granite yard there that his children took over and ran after his death February 28, 1915. His death certificate lists his parents as William Spargo and Mary Dale. Amelia Spargo died in Quincy, Massachusetts, on October 6, 1918. Her date of birth was April 6, 1839, and her youngest son, William John (age 4 months on 1880 Census -- I don't know what happened to the first William) was the informant on her death certificate and provided parent's names as John Simmons and Jane Eva. On US marriage records for her children where mother's maiden name was given, it was Amelia Simmons (although once with the exaggerated spelling, "Simarens." Zibetha
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Jan 8, 2021 6:50:40 GMT -5
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Post by angelabutcher on Jan 8, 2021 6:50:40 GMT -5
Hi there , we are tracing our Semmens ancestors and would like some clarity. My husbands GGgrandmother was Mary Jane Semmens daughter of John Semmens and Mary?? Born 1845 from Perranuthnoe Cornwall. They migrated to SOuth Australia from Cornwall in 1848 we think aboard the Forfarshire . Could you help us find out the mothers name as we have conflicting records Thanks
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Jan 8, 2021 10:37:01 GMT -5
Post by malphillips1 on Jan 8, 2021 10:37:01 GMT -5
Hi
Assuming that your Mary Jane was the one baptised at Perranuthnoe 26 Oct 1845 (and I can't see any others mentioned during that decade on the COPC database), she is said to be the daughter of John and Mary - living at Perran Downs (father a miner).
The General Register Office Online Index has the birth registration for a Mary J Semmens in the Penzance Union area in the September Quarter of 1845 - Mother's maiden name Semmens.
Both those pieces of information point towards the marriage of John Semmens and Mary Semmens on 17 Oct 1835 at Perranuthnoe. The COPC database says the Witnesses were William Semmens, Edmond Simons - and someone with a name like John Kerrow (possibly Kernow?).
Mal
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Jan 8, 2021 10:39:44 GMT -5
Post by malphillips1 on Jan 8, 2021 10:39:44 GMT -5
Ah ! Make that the December quarter for the birth registration. Mal
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