Chapple of Madron

[trencrom]

Anyone have any information as to the parentage of Peter Chapple of Madron, who married Phillis sSmmons, nee Ellis, at St Ives in 1795 and had several children named Richard Ellis, Phillis Richards, Elizabeth, James and John at Madron from about 1797 to 1809?
I believe he was probably a member of the Chapple family of St Just but have not been able to find the point of/prove the connection.

[Cornish Terrier]

NO - but my understanding is that son James married a Mary WOOLCOCK and had nine children all born at Zennor and Towednack.

Elizabeth (d/o Peter and Phillis) apparently married John CURNOW at Gulval in 1825.

There were three children to this marriage and Elizabeth apparently died whereafter John Curnow married Peggy Bennets Nankervis and had a further seven children.

As a precis that is about the best I can offer for now but am willing to work on it.

[trencrom]

Correct --that's the family in question.
Most if not all the other Peter Chappels in the area in the 18th century can be reasonably placed as being descendants of Jonathan Chapple of St Just and Elizabeth Casely his wife (Elizabeth's father was named Peter) so I suspect that this one will be so as well.
Might be a case of a missing christening though.

[Cornish Terrier]

Could this be the same Peter Chapel - buried at Madron:-

Peter Chapple of Union Workhouse, aged 84 1 May 1847

If so then he is born about 1762/3.

ALSO - are you able to give me some information on the first marriage of Phillis as I was previously unaware of it. (I guess her father was a Richard ELLIS?) - Please.

[trencrom]

I saw this burial and wondered if it is the same man, too. Have not ideintified a burial for Phillis.
Phillis married a Thomas Semmons around 1786, in or near Ludgvan from memory. I think they had some children but do not have the details concerned to hand.
Her father therefore was Thomas Ellis although (again from memory) there was a Richard amongst her siblings . Thomas Ellis incidentally married Phillis Richards, and Peter and Phillis' last child was so named.

[Cornish Terrier]

That would be:-

Thomas Semens m. Phillis Ellis 5th June 1786 at Madron

You say her father was Thomas which, from IGI, makes her:-

Phillis d/o Thomas Ellis bp. 30th August 1767 at Ludgvan

However:-

Phyllis d/o Richard Ellis bp. 24th August 1767 at Sancreed

So her parents were:-

Thomas Ellis m. Phillis Richards, of St Buryan 19th February 1765 at Ludgvan

That is interesting given the above reference to Phyllis d/o Richard bp. at Sancreed.

Might Thomas and Richard have been brothers and also sons of a 'Phyllis'.

As for children from the first marriage of Phillis Ellis:-

1 Jan 1787 Grace d/o Thomas Simmons at Madron private baptism
1 Jan 1787 Phyllis d/o Thomas Simmons at Madron private baptism

Do these match with your information.

I have updated my database to include the above but, if it is not correct, I can make alterations.

Look forward to more as you can.

[trencrom]

Will address Ellises on Sancreed board for clarity's sake.

Here are the children of Peter and Phyllis' as reconstructed by me from the PRs:

Peter Chapel married Phyllis Simmons, widow on 7/1/1795 at St. Ives. They had the following children:

Phyllis, christened 22/4/1796 at St. Ives, bd 4/4/1802 at Madron,

John, chr. 27/5/1798 at Madron, marr. Jane Thomas 27/4/1823
at Zennor, marr. Dinah Quick 14/7/1828 at Zennor, 8 children,

Richard Ellis, chr. 29/12/1799 ditto, bd 25/4/1802,

Phyllis, chr. 26/12/1802 ditto, bd 20/11/1803,

James, chr. 2/12/1804 ditto, marr. Mary Woolcock 12/11/1827
at Gulval, 9 children,

Elizabeth, chr. 30/11/1806 ditto, marr. John Curnow 14 May 1825 at Gulval, 3 children, died after March 1830 and bef. Oct 1833,

Phyllis Richards, chr. 3/12/1809 ditto, prob. marr. Thomas
Semmens 8/3/1829 at Paul, 5 children.

[Cornish Terrier]

Had a brief look but will need to pursue this properly later on.

Have to work again tonight - (wasn't that my night off?)

Anyway, will check things and see what I come up with.

[trencrom]

The Madron parish chest materials microfilmed by the Mormons show that a Peter Chapple was one of a few occupiers of land owned by one John Uren at Trigavara (and leased by a H. Ware, gent) in the years 1807-11, but not previously, and again in 1813-15, but not thereafter.

Among the names of the other occupiers is a Richard Ellis, who appears there in (at least) 1807, 1810 and 1816. It seems probable that this is the man that Peter and Phillis named one of their children after.

But which Richard Ellis was it?

[Cornish Terrier]

This seems to be one tangled mess that we have to deal with given the commonality of names.

This is another problem I am going to have to 'mull' over as I do not have any ready answers and no immediate thoughts on where/how to start trying to find some answers.

BTW - Mr H. Ware might not have been christened 'Hard Ware' by any chance.

(That is a sad joke but I just had to say it - sorry.)

[trencrom]

I read on the weekend that a younger Richard Ellis, grandson of the Richard who married Jane Rodda, was the son-in-law of John Uren who owned the land at Tregavara, according to the latter's will.
Whether this males Phillis more likely to have been of the Sancreed Ellises I am unsure though.

[Cornish Terrier]

From your post of 11th September :-

The Madron parish chest materials microfilmed by the Mormons show that a Peter Chapple was one of a few occupiers of land owned by one John Uren at Trigavara (and leased by a H. Ware, gent) in the years 1807-11, but not previously, and again in 1813-15, but not thereafter.

Among the names of the other occupiers is a Richard Ellis, who appears there in (at least) 1807, 1810 and 1816. It seems probable that this is the man that Peter and Phillis named one of their children after.

But which Richard Ellis was it?

Might I suggest that he was son of Thomas Ellis and Phillis (nee Richards) (bp. 1769 at Ludgvan) and, therefore, the brother of Phillis CHAPPLE.

Would appreciate a little more information on the Richard Ellis/Jane Rodda scenario also as I do not currently have them in my database.

Also - a little more on John Uren of Tregavara, if you have it (including the marriage of the younger Richard Ellis to, it seems, his daughter).

I possibly have some of this information available but what you can tell me may help locate it a little more quickly.

Will await your next before I go too much further but there do seem to be a few more clues creeping in here.

[trencrom]

ianjtrewhella said:

Might I suggest that he was son of Thomas Ellis and Phillis (nee Richards) (bp. 1769 at Ludgvan) and, therefore, the brother of Phillis CHAPPLE.

And he could be. That is the alternative scenario. Because Peter and Phillis had a daughter Phillis Richards Chapple I think it is also still the most likely scenario via-a-vis this Phillis being Phillis the daughter of Richard Ellis and Jane Rodda of Sancreed.

ianjtrewhella said:

Would appreciate a little more information on the Richard Ellis/Jane Rodda scenario also as I do not currently have them in my database.

Also - a little more on John Uren of Tregavara, if you have it (including the marriage of the younger Richard Ellis to, it seems, his daughter).

I possibly have some of this information available but what you can tell me may help locate it a little more quickly.

I have not seen the Uren will for myself, but apparently his daughter Elizabeth was named therein as the wife of the said Richard. That Richard in turn has been shown by another researcher (whose notes I saw on the weekend) as the son of a second Richard, and grandson of Richard and Jane. The information about John Uren's will came from these notes.

Other than that all I know regarding Richard and Jane is what is on the IGI for the family, as I took it as read until recently that Phillis was daughter to Thomas and Phillis Richards. I think on balance that is still the more likely scenario but am not totally sure.

[Cornish Terrier]

Okay - I will try, in the next few days, to take another look at this and see if I can locate any further information in the records I have available.

Have lots going on at the moment and still need to catch up on exactly what I do have available to hand.

Will do my best and will also see if I can track down anything in my collection of Wills (or abstracts of) that might help.

There is an answer there and it WILL be found.

[trencrom]

Had another look at the death cert of the Peter Chapple who died in the workhouse at Madron in 1847. The informant is John Bennetts, who says he was present at the death.
If this is the same John Bennetts who had a Phillis Chapple staying at his home in Penzance in the 1841 census, and if the John Bennetts who married a Grace "Symons" two decades earlier is also the same man, then I think we could now take it as certain that this Peter is indeed Phillis' husband, as suspected.