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Post by myghaelangof on Jul 31, 2007 16:47:52 GMT -5
Trying to trace the family of Arundell Shakerley who married Bridget (registers have no surname) in Madron 1645. Two known baptisms of Bennet 1646 and Margaret 1648, before Bridget buried in 1655.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 1, 2007 11:10:38 GMT -5
Mike - I do not know much of this family at the moment but, as mentioned elsewhere, the Shakerley name has featured on this site recently. You have two very prominent names involed here which could prove most interesting. The use of the name 'Arundell' certainly suggests some connection with the family of that name. And 'Tredinnick' was also quite prominent - from recollection, there is/was a 'Tredinnick Manor' so your Shakerleys were mixing in good company. This is 'top of the head stuff' at the moment but I am reasonably sure of the basics. Will pursue this as I can - and I am sure we have one or two other members who will get involved here.
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Post by myghaelangof on Mar 10, 2008 18:17:58 GMT -5
Ian you're a star. Thanks for the William Carnarthen info. Gives me more families to work on for leads. This is getting more complex than prof Stephen Hawking's string theory!
I'm looking for the complete life of Arundell Shakerley as this should, hopefully link my St.Just Shakerleys in with the Arundells. But which Arundell married Katherine Carnarthen (wouldnt mind betting she was a Phillips.
There are interesting things waiting to be found, its just a matter of where!
Think I'll hit the Tribute, best wishes, Mike
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 11, 2008 9:54:10 GMT -5
Mike - as stated in my PM reply, I am not a 'star' even though I have five silver ones showing against my profile. I am considering avenues of research to try and find more about, in particular, the Canarthen line and will also be trying to see what more I can find on the Shakerley/Sakerley families to see what might help. I have just posted a note to the 'Trewhella Thread' in 'Surnames of General Interest' which you might like to read. Meantime I will place a BIG THANKYOU right here. Although yet to be proved conclusively, your query inadvertantly led me to what appears to be the solution to an identity problem dating back to the early-mid 1600's. By trying to check some data for you I happened to notice a name that suddently became of interest. From there I spent some time working through PR Transcripts and it would appear very likely that I have identified the wife of my direct ancestor Thomas Trewhella. Thanks Mike and I will see what I can do over the next couple of days given I still have Internet access. Ian
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Post by cornishpasty on Apr 23, 2008 2:15:07 GMT -5
G'day Mike
I have an interest in the SHAKERLEY line too. I don't have Arundel SHAKERLEY but I do have the following:
Descendants of : Bennett Benedick Shakerley
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Generation 1 1. Bennett Benedick Shakerley was born 1580 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall and died 04 Feb 1649 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall. He married Margaret Penberthy 08 Sep 1605 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall. She was born 1584 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall and died 01 Jan 1631 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall. Children of Bennett Benedick Shakerley and Margaret Penberthy: i. 2. Captain Sampson Shakerley was born 1619 and died 28 Dec 1681 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Generation 2 2. Captain Sampson Shakerley was born 1619 and died 28 Dec 1681 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall. He married Elizabeth Unknown. Children of Captain Sampson Shakerley and Elizabeth Unknown: i. 3. William Shakerley was born 1652 in Cornwall and died 15 Mar 1727 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall ii. Richard Shakerley was born 13 Jan 1660 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall iii. Elizabeth Shakerley was born 1663 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Generation 3 3. William Shakerley was born 1652 in Cornwall and died 15 Mar 1727 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall. He married Margaret Roberts 02 Aug 1690 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall. She was born 1661 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall and died 08 Jan 1712 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall. Children of William Shakerley and Margaret Roberts: i. 4. Mary Shakerley was born 1691 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall and died 17 Sep 1760 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Generation 4 4. Mary Shakerley was born 1691 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall and died 17 Sep 1760 in St Just, Penwith, Cornwall. She married Thomas Hawes 28 Sep 1717 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall. He was born 24 Sep 1687 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall and died 03 Jan 1732 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall, son of William Hawes and Joan Thurleby. Children of Mary Shakerley and Thomas Hawes: i. 5. William Hawes was born 1719 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall and died 01 Jul 1765 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall ii. 6. Thomas Hawes was born 25 Oct 1721 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall iii. 7. John Hawes was born 23 Nov 1723 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall iv. Ann Hawes was born 09 Sep 1725 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall and died in Uny Lelant, Cornwall v. Ann Hawes was born 09 Oct 1726 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall vi. 8. Sampson Hawes was born 20 Nov 1727 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall and died 02 Aug 1787 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall vii. Mary Hawes was born 15 Mar 1729 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall viii. Joseph Hawes was born 24 Nov 1731 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Generation 5 5. William Hawes was born 1719 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall and died 01 Jul 1765 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall. He married Mary Potter 10 Feb 1755 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall. She was born 1728 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall. 6. Thomas Hawes was born 25 Oct 1721 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall. He married Mary Love 03 Jun 1745 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall. 7. John Hawes was born 23 Nov 1723 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall. He married Mary Gard 26 May 1759 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall. She was born in Uny Lelant, Cornwall. 8. Sampson Hawes was born 20 Nov 1727 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall and died 02 Aug 1787 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall. He married Martha Potter 19 Apr 1754 in Uny Lelant, Cornwall.
Does this ring a ding dong with you?
CP ;D
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Post by tonymitch on Apr 23, 2008 4:02:05 GMT -5
If it's of any use, I have an Ann Shackerly b 4 Nov 1745, wife of Richard Oats. Her parents were Willaim Shackerly and Ann Penberthy and her siblings Joseph and William. She was mentioned in Joseph's Will made 2nd Sept 1780 and proved 29 Jan 1781. I can't remember what her inheritance was, but it sure as hell ain't come down the family.
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Post by cornishpasty on Apr 23, 2008 6:10:10 GMT -5
Hi Tonymitch,
Thanks for your information. I don't have those names at all although I have a few Penberthy names - no Ann. Which William Shakerley was that - when was he born?
Had a good chuckle re the inheritance. ;D ;D ;D
CP
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Post by tonymitch on Apr 23, 2008 7:58:25 GMT -5
Cornishpasty....I hang my head in shame. If you look on other parts of theis site you will see that I am (was) very poor at noting my sources. So basically, at the moment I haven't a clue from whence I found the names of William and Ann !! As these two good people are on the Oats side of my family, I assume I found them whilst researching Oats. Perhaps I found them, or at least had a lead from Rob Oats fantastic site. Tony M
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 23, 2008 9:13:46 GMT -5
Just something on ARUNDELL that 'may' be of interest and 'may or may not' be of use. Have spent a long time downloading PR information including the Phillimore Marriage Transcripts for numerous Parishes (mostly 'Up Country' but some from 'our neck of the woods'). Found this little item at MENHENIOT:- 14th March 1607 Wm. ARUNDELL, Esq., of Camborne m. Dorcas GROSS, of Menhenit, dau. of Ezechiel GROSS & Margaret his wife, of BURYAN I reckon I have spotted marriages for some more of the children of Ezechiel GROSS and (if memory serves) they were pretty much all in different places. Will try and collate what I have regarding Phillimore and other PR stuff and post it at some time but it may take a while.
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Post by myghaelangof on Apr 23, 2008 13:37:31 GMT -5
Thanks for that marriage Ian, Its particularly interesting as Captain Sampson SHAKERLEY, purportedly Arundell SH's brother, served under Major Christopher GROSSE of Buryan in the Civil War 40 odd years later. I say purportedly as the only evidence we have is the naming of Arundell's two known children as Margaret and Bennet (Bennet SAKERLY. = Margaret PENBERTHY 1605 St.Just), and the absence of other Shakerley families. I have spent the past few weeks tracking all internet references to SHAKERLEYs in the 15th & 16th centuries in the hope of leading to St Just. However the available info just appears to link up the SHAKERLEYs in Cheshire, Derbyshire (Longstone), Northants (Aynho), Westminster and Kent (Ditton), and to the TRACY family of Gloucs. There is an ARUNDELL link to Aynho, and also to lands they leased at Newstead Abbey, Notts. Interestingly in these families no Shakerley lads called Arundel, Bennet, or Sampson. How Cornish are the names Bennet and Sampson? The most interesting link so far is the TRACY family, as I believe they also had trading contacts with BARNSTAPLE, a port as mentioned in the letter produced elsewhere on this site by Rob OATS, referring to shipping of the St Just tin ore out of St. Ives. There were Sh.s in Barnstaple mid 1600's, and these may tie in with the families in Plymouth and Topsham(Exeter) around the same period - all to do with shipping. Looks like some exploring in Devon is required. Another marriage of interest is in St. Just, that of 26 Jun 1600 John Bussavern & Margery Arundell. Of course, I believe the Arundell family owned the whole Hundred of Penwith around this time? From the Easter Day Books I looked at last year it would seem no Shakerley lived in the area around 1590, or at least no wealthy ones, and I have not found any listings on the various tax rolls I researched at TNA last year. However, with the sons names I suspect they had been entranched in the region for several generations. Equally puzzling at the moment is the background of Margaret PENBERTHY, Bennet's wife, and why she was buried at Breage in 1631. I believe Godolphin House is in Breage parish and this may have some bearing? No Penberthy's in the Easter Books either. It would apear she may have had a brother, Isaac, in St Just at the start of the 17th century. One good thing that has come out of all this hunting for SHAKERLEY is that I have unexpectedly extended my BONETTO line about 100 years further back to circa 1530!
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Post by myghaelangof on Apr 23, 2008 14:13:07 GMT -5
Hi CornishPasty, and TonyMitch,
Yes they are all part of the same family. William SHAKERLEY, who married Ann PENBERTHY, was a son of William SHAKERLEY and Margaret ROBERTS (or ROBARTES?).
Wills survive for William (1697-1776), and his son Joseph (1751-1781) summaries of which are thus: William SHAKERLEY: 1776 WILL leaves estates in Portheras, Boscaswell and Boslow (otherwise Bosswence in Sancreed), Carnyorth. Witnesses Wm THOMAS and Wm BENNETTS.
Joseph SHAKERLEY: Will of 1781 names his wife Jane (WILLIAMS), mother Ann, brother John, sister Ann OATS the wife of Richard OATS; Bernard SHAKERLEY. Token payments to each of the above (mainly 1s), then 3 guineas to Thomas PEAK, 2 sheep to William JAMES, 3 sheep to James PEAK, and all the residue of his estate to John BROAD of Penzance.
Interesting? Who was John BROAD?
The Ann PENBERTHY who married Wm SHAKERLEY in 1732 appears to be the daughter of Bernard and Margery PENBERTHY. Margery's will of 1744/5 goes thus: Margery PENBERTHY, widow of St Just names: son Bernard executor; son Thomas and his children Bernard, Thomas, Ralph, Mary and John; Ann SHAKERLEY beloved dgr; and Margaret the dgr of William SHAKERLEY; James PENROSS and my grandaughter Ann TRAWOSS or PENROSS. Witnesses Hannah BOTTRELL and John ANGWIN.
I havent been able to trace Bernard Penberthy back, however, returning to Isaac Penberthy, see earlier reply to Cornish Terrier, he may well be a cousin of Margaret who married Bennet SHAKERLEY in 1605. Isaac had a son Bernard, married Paskes OATES in 1656, and they possibly had a son Bernard.
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Post by trencrom on Apr 26, 2008 1:16:49 GMT -5
G'day Mike I have an interest in the SHAKERLEY line too. I don't have Arundel SHAKERLEY but I do have the following: Descendants of : Bennett Benedick Shakerley Does this ring a ding dong with you? CP ;D It does with me.
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Post by trencrom on Apr 26, 2008 1:32:02 GMT -5
Thanks for that marriage Ian, Its particularly interesting as Captain Sampson SHAKERLEY, purportedly Arundell SH's brother, served under Major Christopher GROSSE of Buryan in the Civil War 40 odd years later. I say purportedly as the only evidence we have is the naming of Arundell's two known children as Margaret and Bennet (Bennet SAKERLY. = Margaret PENBERTHY 1605 St.Just), and the absence of other Shakerley families. I have spent the past few weeks tracking all internet references to SHAKERLEYs in the 15th & 16th centuries in the hope of leading to St Just. However the available info just appears to link up the SHAKERLEYs in Cheshire, Derbyshire (Longstone), Northants (Aynho), Westminster and Kent (Ditton), and to the TRACY family of Gloucs. There is an ARUNDELL link to Aynho, and also to lands they leased at Newstead Abbey, Notts. Interestingly in these families no Shakerley lads called Arundel, Bennet, or Sampson. How Cornish are the names Bennet and Sampson? The most interesting link so far is the TRACY family, as I believe they also had trading contacts with BARNSTAPLE, a port as mentioned in the letter produced elsewhere on this site by Rob OATS, referring to shipping of the St Just tin ore out of St. Ives. There were Sh.s in Barnstaple mid 1600's, and these may tie in with the families in Plymouth and Topsham(Exeter) around the same period - all to do with shipping. Looks like some exploring in Devon is required. Another marriage of interest is in St. Just, that of 26 Jun 1600 John Bussavern & Margery Arundell. Of course, I believe the Arundell family owned the whole Hundred of Penwith around this time? Grosses were a gentry family in their own right with numerous holdings in the Penwith area at that time, so I am not surprised to see them intermarrying with the Arundells. I have come across them quite a few times as having dealings with my own forebears or else their extended family, although I am yet to find any Grosse or Arundell ancestry! Arundells were of course a quite large gentry family with several lines at Lanherne, Trerice, Tolverne and some other places. From memory a branch of these also settled in Madron after 1680. Which Tracys are these that you refer to? There were Tracys who were barons of Barnstaple in the 1200s, but I take it that they would be too early to be the ones you have in mind. Will be interested to hear of any future breakthroughs you have with the Shakerleys. Trencrom
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 26, 2008 11:32:00 GMT -5
I would suggest this is probably the same Arundell given that Katherine Canarthen was first married in 1658.
Going to try and search through all my collection of Marriages now to see if I can 'fluke' the Canarthen marriage and find out just who Katherine was.
If I find anything I will post it immediately.
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Post by myghaelangof on Apr 26, 2008 12:42:20 GMT -5
Greetings Trencrom and Ian and everyone else, Just a quick reply as I'm off out in 10 minutes to see a St Buryan lad by the name of Jethro dishing out some Cornish Blue! I think from memory the Arundells landed at Trengwainton at some point. I'm sure its the same Tracy family as we're into baronets and Right Honorary whatsits.. Will answer in more detail over next few days... Have a great weekend everyone.. Mike
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