Wallish - specified

[Zenobia]

Okay, all those Wallish and Jacka posts I made pre-crises were going somewhere...

Here is where they were going....

Honor Wallish m. William Glasson 19 Feb 1747/8 at Madron.

She was 'of Penzance' at the time of the marriage.

Honor was buried 12 Feb 1794 at Ludgvan, age 68, so therefore was b. ca. 1725.

William and Honor had only 5 children (he died fairly young): John, William, Honor, Susanna and Honor.

William and Honor of course were named for the parents, and Susanna was the name of William's mother. William's father was Thomas, whose name I presume would have been represented had there been more children.

John was the name of William's brother, and also his grandfather, (not to mention of course the most popular male name around )

Now, there is no Honor Wallish chr. in Cornwall anywhere near the year 1725.

I have so far 4 potential candidates for her parents.

1. Bennett Wallish

He had children at Madron and Penzance in the right time period:

Richard 29 Sep 1724
George 26 Dec 1726
Richard 6 Jan 1730
Mary 13 Aug 1732
Mary 17 Nov 1735

(The chronology there seems a bit tight to fit in Honor)

2. Nicholas Wallish m. Sarah Lanyon

Three children:

Sarah 4 Feb 1721
Sarah 7 Sep 1722
James 4 Mar 1723

Nicholas remarried to Jane Nicholls on 1 Oct 1729 at Madron, so must have lost Sarah sometime prior to that. Certainly some room (pending the discovery of Sarah's burial) for Honor to be fit in. Also, this Nicholas was one of the witnesses to the 1739/40 will of Honor (Perry) Glasson, grandmother of William Glasson who would later marry Honor Wallish.

3. John and Constance Wallis of St. Buryan

(see thread on St. Buryan board for details)

The Honor Wallis from this family must have been born ca. 1626/7, which would put her in the right age category for William Glasson's wife.

4. Honor base dau of Jane Jacka, chr. at Penzance in 1725.

Right place and time, but wrong surname. Jane was most likely a daughter of Humphrey Jacka of Sancreed, and named her daughter after her sister Honor Jacka (1706-1728).

The reason I have mulled over this latter one, is that beginning with John Glasson, son of Honor Wallish, the name 'Jakeh' Glasson suddenly appears in the family.

Could Jane Jacka have afterward married a Wallish? (Couldn't find such a marriage). Could she have farmed her daughter out to Wallishes to raise?

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If I could get hold of the 1766 will of John Wallish of St. Buryan, I could either prove or rule out one possibility.

Any thoughts?

[Cornish Terrier]

Have done a bit of searching (and thinking) on this one and, so far, am unable to come up with anything that might help or even give a clue.

Right now I think the 1766 Will is the best chance of finding something but I will keep thinking of other options.

[Zenobia]

If you read the Wallish/Woolcock/Gwennap thread on the St. Buryan Board, you will see that we now have an excellent candidate for Honor Wallish.

My last post over there stated:

Eeee!

I think progress is being made!

After downloading the 1767 will, and finding it the wrong person, I went back to the index and discovered another John Wallis leaving a will in 1742. I downloaded a copy.

It was the correct one!

A few notes:

John named his wife Catherine and eldest son John.

He named his four daughters, Honour, Mary, Elizabeth and Joan and indicated they were all under age 21. He mentioned his 'first marraige settlement' and although the wording was a bit difficult, it appeared that the 4 daughters all belonged to his first marriage.

He mentioned his two "younger children" William and Thomas.

He mentioned that his wife Catherine was the fomer widow of Peter Williams.

He mentioned property in Buryan and in St. Just.

Now, in the Woolcock will, because of the 1711 chr. of Elizabeth, I assumed that the three girls were named in reverse order, with the most valuable piece going to teh youngest (Elizabeth, Mary, Honor).

But in John's will they are:

Honour, Mary, Elizabeth, Joan.

Since all are under 21, then the 1711 Elizabeth must have died, and another was born.

That makes the order in the Woolcock will now from eldest to youngest, which is more sensible (Honor, Mary Elizabeth), with the eldest getting the more valuable piece.

This could put Honor's birth anywhere from ca. Oct 1722 to Oct 1724.

Nicely in the range for Honor Wallish, w/o William Glasson, age 68 at death (1794).

It would also gell nicely with William and Honor's eldest son being named John :-)

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John Wallish m. Constance Williams 31 Dec 1709 - Buryan

Elizabeth Wallis chr. 6 Jan 1711 (to John)
Robert Wallis chr. 3 Jul 1713 - bur. 1 Apr 1714
John Wallis chr. 1 May 1715 d.y.
John Wallis chr. 9 Dec 1721 (named in both wills)
Honour Wallis ca. 1722/24 (named in both wills)
Mary Wallis chr. 30 Jul 1725 (named in both wills)
Elizabeth Wallis (named in both wills)
Joan Wallis (named in father's will)

John Wallis m. Catherine (Casaly), wid/o Peter Williams 15 Nov 1739, Sennen

William Wallis chr. 6 May 1740 Buryan (named in father's will)
Thomas Wallis chr. 13 Mar 1742, Buryan (named in father's will)

Now, not wanting to fall into the trap of playing "the name's the same game" - what evidence do we have that the Honor Wallis in John's will is indeed the woman who married Willaim Glasson?

The evidence is slim, but there are a few things:

1. The name Wallis(h) was not uncommon in Penwith, and a few other Honor Wallishes do exist, but never in the right time period.

2. Honor, d/o John was the right age to be Honor Glasson.

3. The location is not bad, as I know from my previous research that a lot of St. Buryan people (including other Wallis(h)es, ended up in the Ludgvan/Madron area.

4. William and Honor named their first son John.

So far, pretty slim, but plausible.

But I did find one other piece of evidence that might tilt the scales just a bit.

While attempting to sort out the other children of John Wallish, I looked for marraiges of all of them. I could find nothing on Mary or Elizabeth, but I did find a Joan Wallis marrying a James Martin at Ludgvan. Among the children are Mary, Elizabeth and HONOR.

Is this Honor Wallish' sister?

There is a Joan Wallish chr. in 1737 at Penzance to Bennet Wallish, so it could be her instead.

There is also a Joan Wallish chr. in 1734 at St. Buryan to a John and MARY Wallish - could this be another marraige for John, the testator of 1742? Obviously Joan, d/o John was born after 1732, as she is not named in the Woolcock will...

[Zenobia]

Ooops! Cross out Mary as a daughter of James and Joan (Wallis) Martin - that one was to James' first wife.

[Cornish Terrier]

It must be remembered that many (if not most) of these people leased the properties and that those properties belonged to more wealthy people who had holdings in many Parishes.

I have seen instances of interaction in this manner between (e.g.) Towednack and Sancreed so a connection between Ludgvan and St Buryan is not unusual.

In fact I have seen numerous Wills for the Towednack, St Ives, Zennor, Ludgvan area where mention is made of holdings in St Buryan and surrounds.

[Zenobia]

Putting all that aside, do you or do you not think we have found the 'right' Honor?

I value your opinion.

[Cornish Terrier]

At this point I would have to say that it is a pretty reasonable chance but I also think we may need some more corroborative evidence.

I think - mark it in pencil and not ink for the moment - but keep the ink handy.